Rankings / Groundhog's Day

[PSUFTG2]

New US News Rankings out:

2024 Best National Universities | US News Rankings

2024 Best Value Colleges and Universities | US News Rankings

Overall, PSU (Univ Park) tied for 10th in Big Ten (w MSU). Moved ahead of Indiana this year. Also ahead of Iowa and Nebraska (as they were last year). Would be behind soon-to-be B10 schools, UCLA, USC, and U Washington - and ahead of Oregon
US News rates University Park separate from Commonwealth Campuses.

For "value", Last in Big Ten

 

[PSUJam]

For "value", Last in Big TenNew US News Rankings out:

2024 Best National Universities | US News Rankings

2024 Best Value Colleges and Universities | US News Rankings

Overall, PSU (Univ Park) tied for 10th in Big Ten (w MSU). Moved ahead of Indiana this year. Also ahead of Iowa and Nebraska (as they were last year). Would be behind soon-to-be B10 schools, UCLA, USC, and U Washington - and ahead of Oregon
US News rates University Park separate from Commonwealth Campuses.

For "value", Last in Big Ten

And you love it. What would you biotch and complain about without PSU? Shopping carts with a bad wheel? Cars driving too fast past your house? Public restroom cleanliness?

 

[Bison13]

And you love it. What would you biotch and complain about without PSU? Shopping carts with a bad wheel? Cars driving too fast past your house? Public restroom cleanliness?

Frankly I dont like it either, we need to become a better value so that all kids can have an opportunity to attend and not be 100K in debt.

 

[PSUFTG2]

Frankly I dont like it either, we need to become a better value so that all kids can have an opportunity to attend and not be 100K in debt.

It is what it is, of course. PSU's track record vav lower income kids (nearly 1/2 don't graduate. very few even enroll at UP.... I expect the AVERAGE family income of UP enrollees is now pushing 200K/annum) is atrocious.
If PSU carves out Commonwealth Campus enrollees (and I believe USNews is one of the services that ranks UP separately from the whole system), those "opportunity" numbers get significantly worse.

 

[PSUJam]

Frankly I dont like it either, we need to become a better value so that all kids can have an opportunity to attend and not be 100K in debt.

I agree and have a daughter attending, but him doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Until there's reform of the BOT it's all just noise.

 

[GrimReaper]

I agree and have a daughter attending, but him doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Until there's reform of the BOT it's all just noise.

The BoT is not going to be reformed, not in the near future, and not through the efforts of one person. In the meantime, he does what he can. Or would you prefer that he act like the rest of the sheep and not highlight areas for improvement?

 

[PSUJam]

The BoT is not going to be reformed, not in the near future, and not through the efforts of one person. In the meantime, he does what he can. Or would you prefer that he act like the rest of the sheep and not highlight areas for improvement?

And it's been working great for him after all these years? Hint: It needs to start in Harrisburg during election season.

 

[BobPSU92]

And it's been working great for him after all these years? Hint: It needs to start in Harrisburg during election season.

Election Season!

Wabbit Season!

Election Season!

Wabbit Season!

Election Season!

Wabbit Season!

…

 

[PSUFTG2]

The BoT is not going to be reformed, not in the near future, and not through the efforts of one person. In the meantime, he does what he can. Or would you prefer that he act like the rest of the sheep and not highlight areas for improvement?

Yep

Saying "We need Harrisburg to straighten things out", or some such thing, is = Giving Up (and being lazy). Plain and simple.

That ain't gonna' happen. It most certainly is not going to happen without significant pressure and catalyzation and support from elsewhere.

I wouldn't turn away some help

 

[PSUJam]

Yep

Saying "We need Harrisburg to straighten things out", or some such thing, is = Giving Up (and being lazy). Plain and simple.

That ain't gonna' happen. It most certainly is not going to happen without significant pressure and catalyzation and support from elsewhere.

Actually, it's the opposite of being lazy. Elected trustees should be in Harrisburg at every turn possible to get the message to those that can actually do something about it. But hey, keep posting about it here because it's really helped the cause.

 

[GrimReaper]

Actually, it's the opposite of being lazy. Elected trustees should be in Harrisburg at every turn possible to get the message to those that can actually do something about it. But hey, keep posting about it here because it's really helped the cause.

It's not as if most elected trustees don't have full-time jobs. And a good number of them think that everything is hunky-dory at Dear Old State. Would you care to guess how many full- and part-time lobbyists with unlimited expense accounts, PSU has in Harrisburg?

And it's been working great for him after all these years? Hint: It needs to start in Harrisburg during election season.

Exactly how many years has Barry been on the Board?

 

[PSUFTG2]

It's not as if most elected trustees don't have full-time jobs. And a good number of them think that everything is hunky-dory at Dear Old State. Would you care to guess how many full- and part-time lobbyists with unlimited expense accounts, PSU has in Harrisburg?

Exactly how many years has Barry been on the Board?

NO ONE from PSU goes down to Harrisburg to lobby for "better governance at PSU".

Many are down in Harrisburg lobbying for more $$$ support for the University - which is an entirely different animal, of course.
I can't imagine anyone could confuse the two.

 

[GrimReaper]

NO ONE from PSU goes down to Harrisburg to lobby for "better governance at PSU".

Many are down in Harrisburg lobbying for more $$$ support for the University - which is an entirely different animal, of course.
I can't imagine anyone could confuse the two.

But you should be down there three out of every five working days... and formulating PSU's operating budget as well as evaluating the functioning of every operating unit for cost savings And in your spare time could you help me out with my duties as the King of Sweden.

 

[PSUJam]

It's not as if most elected trustees don't have full-time jobs. And a good number of them think that everything is hunky-dory at Dear Old State.

Not my concern. Don't run for trustee if you can't do what's needed to correct the issue.

The lobbyist argument is just another excuse.

Barry has had his blog and posted on here and the old board for many years about the issues. He's Tweeted live from meetings. He's put in work and it's done virtually nothing. The approach has to change or it will continue to be background noise.

 

[GrimReaper]

Not my concern. Don't run for trustee if you can't do what's needed to correct the issue.

The lobbyist argument is just another excuse.

Barry has had his blog and posted on here and the old board for many years about the issues. He's Tweeted live from meetings. He's put in work and it's done virtually nothing. The approach has to change or it will continue to be background noise.

 

[CF Lion]

A quick observation....

The three highest weighted factors are:

1. Peer assessment 20%
2. Graduation rates 17.6%
3. Financial resources per student 10%

So, I guess (1) we are disliked by our peers; (2) our students can't graduate on time, and; (3) even though we complain about spending, we spend too little.

 

[PSUFTG2]

And in your spare time could you help me out with my duties as the King of Sweden.

Yes

Top 10 Cities with the Most Beautiful Women (softpedia.com)

 

[PSUJam]

That's ironic. I'm asking to do more in the right place.

 

[BobPSU92]

A quick observation....

The three highest weighted factors are:

1. Peer assessment 20%
2. Graduation rates 17.6%
3. Financial resources per student 10%

So, I guess (1) we are disliked by our peers; (2) our students can't graduate on time, and; (3) even though we complain about spending, we spend too little.

We spend more on onion dip than on our students.

Of course, if Factor 1 were our own assessment, we would rank far, far lower.

 

[TiogaLion]

Not my concern. Don't run for trustee if you can't do what's needed to correct the issue.

The lobbyist argument is just another excuse.

Barry has had his blog and posted on here and the old board for many years about the issues. He's Tweeted live from meetings. He's put in work and it's done virtually nothing. The approach has to change or it will continue to be background noise.

Are you suggesting that Barry should just vote yes and stop asking questions like the other 35 Trustees? Perhaps it would it make more sense for you to start demanding that the other Trustees start questioning the out of control spending? Why aren't you attacking the other Trustees for clearly ignoring their fiduciary responsibilities?

BTW, who did you vote for in the last election?

 

[TiogaLion]

Yes

Top 10 Cities with the Most Beautiful Women (softpedia.com)

 

[PSUJam]

Are you suggesting that Barry should just vote yes and stop asking questions like the other 35 Trustees? Perhaps it would it make more sense for you to start demanding that the other Trustees start questioning the out of control spending? Why aren't you attacking the other Trustees for clearly ignoring their fiduciary responsibilities?

BTW, who did you vote for in the last election?

Wow. Go back and reread my posts in this thead psyco.

 

[GrimReaper]

That's ironic. I'm asking to do more in the right place.

Barry is doing all that can be reasonably expected given the lack of support, particularly from those eight lumps of ectoplasm that masquerade as elected trustees.