Rebels Missouri Miami..ouch
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Miami got screwed more. We have a 3 seed resume and therefore we can't ask for any favors. They get the No. 1 overall national seed and end up with two teams in their bracket that have been pretty strong in recent years. They should've gotten some newcomer type teams instead of what they got.
I'll walk down that road with you. If Im Bianco, I go Lynn on Friday and then sell out on Saturday if I win. As soon as Pomeranz shows signs of trouble, I go to Bittle.
And doesn't Bethune Cookman have a really good pitcher. They almost beat FSU last year and almost beat ole miss the year before. Am I right on that?
And doesn't Bethune Cookman have a really good pitcher. They almost beat FSU last year and almost beat ole miss the year before. Am I right on that?
Mizzou and UMiss are both very solid teams that nobody wants to play but he knew the rebs have NO chance to get out of this regional...zero. I love it.
...and nobody can really say anything b/c those two are 39 and 40 in the RPI so it's easy to defend them as a low #2 and mid #3 even though most won't see it that way. Thanks, LT. (chuckle)
...and nobody can really say anything b/c those two are 39 and 40 in the RPI so it's easy to defend them as a low #2 and mid #3 even though most won't see it that way. Thanks, LT. (chuckle)
4 of them squeaked in as #3 seeds. I'm not sure if we've had 4 #3 seeds total since the tournament expanded to the current format back in 2000. Unless the league makes some postseason noise this year or posts a better non-conference record next year, don't expect to see more than 6 teams in next year's tournament.
Interesting that you have Georgia Tech in the Georgia regional (I was surprised to see Georgia get a national seed) and Florida in the Florida State regional.
Interesting that you have Georgia Tech in the Georgia regional (I was surprised to see Georgia get a national seed) and Florida in the Florida State regional.
I don't think they are going to punish a conference for underperformance. Logic says a 3 seed shouldn't even advance past regionals but someone has to be awarded those slots.
If they were going to start punishing the conference it would have started last year when only 5 got in.
If they were going to start punishing the conference it would have started last year when only 5 got in.
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DriverDawg
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that you got them sent to Miami when Arkansas didnt even make the SEC tournament and Ole Miss made it to the championship game. They will be crying about this all summer. At least you are going out in style by screwing Ole Miss.
Is it fair to say that had Ole Miss not made ther run in the SEC Tournament that they wouldn't have made the field? They certainly appeared to be on the bubble.
Also, about Mizzou- they have a pitcher named Aaron Crow that is a possible top 5 draft pick- as in top five picks of the entire draft.
Miami is well, Miami.
Also, about Mizzou- they have a pitcher named Aaron Crow that is a possible top 5 draft pick- as in top five picks of the entire draft.
Miami is well, Miami.
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DriverDawg
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15 program in the country consistently the last 5 years. But I'm with you and gonna shout it to my Rebel friends that they wouldnt even have made it if they didnt get to the championship game. Thats my story (and yours) and i'm (we) are sticking to it. Go Canes. Thanks again Larry Templeton.
8Dog said:
</p>that Ole Miss will probably throw Lance Lynn, and the loser gets to face Bethune-Cookman's #2 starter, I'm betting that they throw Crow.
but then I remember our yearly battle cry when we hit the losers bracket (until last year) that you have to manage the tournament in the manner that gives you the best chance to win it. Mizzou's best chance is to let their #2 try to beat ole miss who's line up is suspect and save Crow for Miami--likely their only chance to beat them.
It's probably irrelevant b/c even if someone beats miami on Saturday, Miami probably wins 2 in the championship.
It's probably irrelevant b/c even if someone beats miami on Saturday, Miami probably wins 2 in the championship.
What are you talking about? Vandy last year got Michigan whose RPI was mid-40s, as their 2 seed, and they got Memphis, RPI in the mid-50s as a 3 seed. Yes, they got one of the better 4 seeds in Austin Peay, but they still had an RPI just inside the top 100, a team that should be beatable by the No. 1 team in the country.
They got one of the weaker 2 seeds and one of the weaker 3 seeds. I don't think you can ask for much more in your regional.
They got one of the weaker 2 seeds and one of the weaker 3 seeds. I don't think you can ask for much more in your regional.
If you're the #1 seed, it's a no-brainer to hold your ace back for game 2. In fact, I'd even argue that you should pitch your #3 starter against the #4 seed. You're going to have to get a win from your #3 or #4 starter to win the regional anyway and what better chance than with your #3 starter against the #4 seed. Of course, that goes out the window if the #4 seed happens to have a great #1 pitcher.
In the 2/3 matchup, it's a much tougher decision. I still think in most cases you should pitch your #2 starter, but I wouldn't be too critical of a coach who pitched his ace. Because in that matchup, you're definitely playing a top 50 opponant and you may be playing a top 20 opponant.
In the 2/3 matchup, it's a much tougher decision. I still think in most cases you should pitch your #2 starter, but I wouldn't be too critical of a coach who pitched his ace. Because in that matchup, you're definitely playing a top 50 opponant and you may be playing a top 20 opponant.
If your #2 or #3 starter can't beat a #4 like Bethune-Cookman, you probably don't deserve to win the Regional anyway.
I guess my thinking with the 2 and 3 seed is you want to try to stay in the winners bracket as long as possible, so you go ahead and pitch your ace, and if you win and the #1 holds back their ace, that's the way it goes. A lot of teams have #2 starters that can match up fairly well with another teams ace, so I guess you hope that you have a Gene Morgan type guy. Plus, if you pitch your #2 against Ole Miss and get beat, then you have to make a decision on whether you want to pitch your ace against Bethune-Cookman, because if you get upset, by B-C, you would have a lot of explaining to do to the media on why you didn't pitch your ace in the Regional at all.
Sometimes, you just have to use your intuition, use the data that you're given about the other teams that you're facing, and hope it works out. If what you do works, you're a genious, if it doesn't, you're an idiot.</p>
I guess my thinking with the 2 and 3 seed is you want to try to stay in the winners bracket as long as possible, so you go ahead and pitch your ace, and if you win and the #1 holds back their ace, that's the way it goes. A lot of teams have #2 starters that can match up fairly well with another teams ace, so I guess you hope that you have a Gene Morgan type guy. Plus, if you pitch your #2 against Ole Miss and get beat, then you have to make a decision on whether you want to pitch your ace against Bethune-Cookman, because if you get upset, by B-C, you would have a lot of explaining to do to the media on why you didn't pitch your ace in the Regional at all.
Sometimes, you just have to use your intuition, use the data that you're given about the other teams that you're facing, and hope it works out. If what you do works, you're a genious, if it doesn't, you're an idiot.</p>
You say that about Bethune-Cookman, but they had a very good ace a couple years ago when they came to Oxford, and we only beat them 3-2 with Kline on the hill. In fact, I think it took back to back solo HRs in maybe the 7th inning for us to come from behind and beat them as a 4 seed. I realize Miami is a different team, but the point is a lot of these 4 seeds have at least one ace pitcher that is capable of winning them a game against anyone. That's why it can be dangerous to save your ace if you're the 1 seed.
Now, if you're facing one of these 250+ RPI 4 seeds that doesn't have a true ace, by all means you shouldn't waste your ace.
As far as 2 or 3 seeds saving their ace, that's definitely a gamble. I know for you last year that Pigott was really your ace, even though he pitched Saturdays mostly. So essentially, you didn't have to change your rotation to save your ace for FSU, and it worked out well for you.
Now, if you're facing one of these 250+ RPI 4 seeds that doesn't have a true ace, by all means you shouldn't waste your ace.
As far as 2 or 3 seeds saving their ace, that's definitely a gamble. I know for you last year that Pigott was really your ace, even though he pitched Saturdays mostly. So essentially, you didn't have to change your rotation to save your ace for FSU, and it worked out well for you.
Michigan may have had a lower RPI but they were playing better ball at tournament time. They were nowhere near the bottom of the pack that you would expect for being the #1 overall seed.
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Exactly my point. Even the best Big 10 team is not usually as good as a mid-level SEC team. Vandy had no excuse to lose that regional. By strength, I still say there regional (at least the 2 and 3 seeds) was one of the better draws in the tourney last year. Miami's draw this year is much tougher, mainly because the teams they draw as 2 and 3 seeds have both been there before and both have won regionals recently. There is a certain level of confidence that experience brings. Neither Michigan or Memphis last year for Vandy were experienced NCAA teams, and neither had won a regional in a long time. That's about all you can ask for as a 1 seed. Miami got the screw job this year, while UNC got a much nicer bracket.
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