That would be my preference. Adding the 9th and 12th largest states in the U.S. makes all the sense in the world. As I have said before, brands come and go. But, state boundaries are forever, which you can count on. Regarding brands: Florida State is not the program it was under Bobby Bowden. And clemson, under Tommy Bowden was not elite , not even close.
Report of Clemson and FSU to SEC
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Which is what got John Swofford (UNC athletic director to ACC commissioner) and the ACC in trouble...adding Syracuse and BC...Really?
Swofford never had the foresight to try to get us back in the ACC before the SEC came calling. I thought it was a dumb move on the ACC's part to hire a commissioner from a member school. After Swofford, I don't think you'll ever see that again.
Clemson and FSU fans I'm sure have not forgotten what Swofford did to them...
The ACC made fun of us for deciding to go independent (out in the wilderness), but I think in the end, Carolina Gamecock Alumni/Fans may get the last laugh. Oh wait a minute, we're laughing now!!! ha/ha...$$$$$
Since the SEC wants big State Flagship Universities, I'm guessing UNC and UVA would get invited first, but man could you imagine UNC in the same conference with us? OH GOD...it would be awful.
I do think the ACC of old was rather nice with 8 members: UNC, USC, Wake, Duke, NCSU, Maryland, UVA & Clemson seemed cozy and was geographically perfect. The major problem was that you had 4 schools from one state.
Since our invite into the SEC with Arkansas, Maryland leaving for the B10, Syracuse and BC added to the ACC, Texas/UO added to the SEC, the ACC fans of UNC, FSU, Clemson, NCSU seem on edge about the break up of the ACC.
I feel for the Wake fans. They really don't have a lot of options if the ACC were to cease to exist.
Agree to an extent. The ACC was reactionary when they decided to expand. They felt they were too good for WVU and ignored them. Pitt and Syracuse were decent choices with what they had to choose from….BC not so much. The SEC and B1G are on a different level…they can choose more strategically. The Big 12 also can to an extent and should all this start over, I can see CU and FSU headed that way.
Speaking of Wake, the ACC's first commissioner, Jim Weaver, was the AD at Wake before accepting the ACC's commissionership (is that a real word?) in 1954.
Agree for the most part, but 2 quick things. I couldn't believe they had a commissioner go that far back, so I looked it up. He wasn't commissioner till 1997, way after we joined the sec.
And adding BC and Syracuse added huge TV markets in New states. There are those today who still think that is the way to go for our conference. (And they might not be wrong)
It depends somewhat on the size of a school's constituency, no matter where the school is. We could add Fordham, but I think any rise in the SEC's New York appeal would be both minimal and transitory.
And most sports fans in New York and Massachusetts follow professional sports rather than collegiate ones.
Reported this morning that Disney is set to cut thousands of more jobs next week, on top of those cut last month.
As I said earlier, if the SEC adds more teams, it needs to get more money from ESPN, up front.
As I said earlier, if the SEC adds more teams, it needs to get more money from ESPN, up front.
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If you have not heard: it’s not about TV Markets anymore. It’s about compelling matchups. FSU and Clemson bring more eyes to the TV. That’s a a fact and that will be the determining factor.
Yes, I agree with you....I think more eyes would be on Virginia Tech than UVA...VT has a much bigger following in Virginia than UVA...I know, my sister lived in Virigina Beach and most fans there were Hokies. I would take VT over FSU due to the DVM TV market. NCSU does not add much due to we're already getting TV shares in Western NC, Charlotte metro and Wilimington. Virginia Tech would also bring Winton-Salem and Greensboro markets.
So adding VT would help with the Virginia, North Carolina, and DC/Maryland markets.
Adding VT and Clemson would be much better than NCSU, Duke or Wake...UNC is a different animal. I would not want them in the SEC period. I'd prefer Clemson to UNC..
The most recent move by the B1G dispels that notion. That was entirely about the LA/Southern California market.
If you grab one of the Virginia schools, you not only grab one of the biggest states in the nation but, you also get one of the biggest media markets in the nation...... DC. That's VERY enticing.
I'm not so sure there would be a total "grab" of the DC area due to having UVA in ones portfolio.
The B1G has a solid foothold in that area due to the Maryland alumni/fanbase.
EDIT: I meant to say the DC/Baltimore area (TV Market)
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True it would not be total. But the SEC would be in the conversation, which right now it is simply an afterthought.
We know that the BIG did not take in Maryland because it was an elite football program. They took them in order to be publicized by the DC media, which has a far reach.
Why would they do that? The Big 12 is not where they want to be. I feel the ACC will work out their problems they match up with the Big 12 in football and especially basketball.
personally, I don’t want Clemson in the SEC. I see us having a money advantage over them, something that has not been the case for 100 years.
I don’t see UNC going anywhere nor Virginia. Neither seem to want to be what an SEC school is. East Carolina would fit nicely in the SEC. Add Liberty and we have North Carolina and Virginia covered without taking a single A$$hole.
You are correct. Those are huge TV markets. But, is college football that popular at either place? There are more college football viewers in Georgia than in NY.
I've changed my tune......instead of wanting a North Carolina school, lets take VaTech and Clemson. There is no school in North Carolina that will move the needle in TV market share except for maybe UNC...Va Tech will cover the Winston-Salem Greensboro market. We will cover Asheville, Charotte and Wilmington areas. The only market that would not be covered is the Raleigh-Durham market. Maybe both Clemson and VaTech could help with that (I don't know).
If I'm in charge of the SEC invites, my final answer is Clemson and VaTech. For a long time I thought NCSU would be a good invite, but they just don't bring anything to the table in terms of TV market share like VaTech or Clemson. Get VaTech and you have all the markets in Virigina, Winton-Salem, Greensboro, DC and Maryland. Clemson being a national brand in football will bring TV viewers.
I see there are still folks that pop a top or two before Friday afternoon gets here.
Agreed. This is why I float between the "new markets" and "better matchups " alternatives.
I see the reasoning behind both.