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[SteelCurtain74]

latest article on Army and Navy football teams. I'm pulling for both to crash the playoffs. The punter for Army is the son of a girl I attended high school with. God bless these kids

https://mississippitoday.org/2024/10/21/army-navy-football-undefeated/

 

[bulldoghair]

Good article thanks. I love they’re successful right now. I have always been vocal that we should have gone this style of play route for a long time. Especially now in today’s climate of NIL and transfer portal. Just like this article said, we could retain players better for sure because they wouldn’t be suited for most others style if play. If guys succeed in Lebby’s offense then most definitely other will come in and cherry pick them away at the highest bidder. Nobody wil be coming to steal an option QB ect ect. Their continuity and team maturity and development are helping them more their year over some of the teams they play that deal in the portal every year. Southern Miss should go all in with this if they are smart and able. I’m not sure if someone like a Jeff Monken wouod leave army for USM? He might wouod though.

 

[L4Dawg]

Good article thanks. I love they’re successful right now. I have always been vocal that we should have gone this style of play route for a long time. Especially now in today’s climate of NIL and transfer portal. Just like this article said, we could retain players better for sure because they wouldn’t be suited for most others style if play. If guys succeed in Lebby’s offense then most definitely other will come in and cherry pick them away at the highest bidder. Nobody wil be coming to steal an option QB ect ect. Their continuity and team maturity and development are helping them more their year over some of the teams they play that deal in the portal every year. Southern Miss should go all in with this if they are smart and able. I’m not sure if someone like a Jeff Monken wouod leave army for USM? He might wouod though.

The play in the American Confereance.

 

[bulldoghair]

The play in the American Confereance.

That is correct. Yes they do.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

This article touches on a live human laboratory experiment being conducted as we speak.

As a long time opponent to this current iteration of college sports, my many detractors often pointed to the plight of the individual; the players from broken or poor homes who needed that Dodge Charger or that cash to buy hookers and blow.

I find it interesting that the system, which has now been tweaked, IN FAVOR OF the proponents of the individualistic argument, have created a world where even the blue blood programs are encountering tough sledding in an environment not conducive to rewarding work ethic, building a team mentality, and promoting a team spirit.

The lone hold-outs are Army and Navy, and they are mopping up in this me-first environment. Interesting. That should tell everyone something poignant.

Another model I have wondered if MSU would be wise to mimic is the culture the coaches and alumni promote at Marshall University. Instead of trying to fight the Bama/Georgia/LSU money-war by their rules, perhaps find a way to bring back value to building a program the right way.

Army and Navy are playing with pride. I miss that. Not that my opinion matters, but if a player doesn't want to play for MSU unless stipulations are met, that's not the player I want anyway. Blast away.

 

[bulldoghair]

This article touches on a live human laboratory experiment being conducted as we speak.

As a long time opponent to this current iteration of college sports, my many detractors often pointed to the plight of the individual; the players from broken or poor homes who needed that Dodge Charger or that cash to buy hookers and blow.

I find it interesting that the system, which has now been tweaked, IN FAVOR OF the proponents of the individualistic argument, have created a world where even the blue blood programs are encountering tough sledding in an environment not conducive to rewarding work ethic, building a team mentality, and promoting a team spirit.

The lone hold-outs are Army and Navy, and they are mopping up in this me-first environment. Interesting. That should tell everyone something poignant.

Another model I have wondered if MSU would be wise to mimic is the culture the coaches and alumni promote at Marshall University. Instead of trying to fight the Bama/Georgia/LSU money-war by their rules, perhaps find a way to bring back value to building a program the right way.

Army and Navy are playing with pride. I miss that. Not that my opinion matters, but if a player doesn't want to play for MSU unless stipulations are met, that's not the player I want anyway. Blast away.

 

[vhdawg]

Instead of trying to fight the Bama/Georgia/LSU money-war by their rules, perhaps find a way to bring back value to building a program the right way.

 

[Anon1717806835]

Good article thanks. I love they’re successful right now. I have always been vocal that we should have gone this style of play route for a long time. Especially now in today’s climate of NIL and transfer portal. Just like this article said, we could retain players better for sure because they wouldn’t be suited for most others style if play. If guys succeed in Lebby’s offense then most definitely other will come in and cherry pick them away at the highest bidder. Nobody wil be coming to steal an option QB ect ect. Their continuity and team maturity and development are helping them more their year over some of the teams they play that deal in the portal every year. Southern Miss should go all in with this if they are smart and able. I’m not sure if someone like a Jeff Monken wouod leave army for USM? He might wouod though.

I don't know how serious of a candidate he was, but Monken was one of the names in the rumor mill when Mullen left. Army was in a 10-3 season that year. I would have loved to see us run that offense with Nick Fitzgerald.

 

[bulldoghair]

I don't know how serious of a candidate he was, but Monken was one of the names in the rumor mill when Mullen left. Army was in a 10-3 season that year. I would have loved to see us run that offense with Nick Fitzgerald.

. That would have been crazy! We can always find the athletes and players here in the south to do what Army is doing but with a higher level of athleticism.

 

[bulldoghair]

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This dumbass was trying to run the Green Bay packer offense NOT anything related to what Army and Navy are doing this year.

 

[patdog]

Army has beat Lehigh, FAU, Rice, Temple, Tulsa, UAB & East Carolina. Navy has beat Bucknell, Memphis, Temple, UAB, Air Force and Charlotte. So maybe 1 good team in the lot. Of course Memphis schedule is just as bad. That win over Florida St. doesn't look nearly as good now as it did then.

 

[FormerBully]

My former coach at ICC is the Tight Ends coach for Navy.

 

[RockyDog]

Good article thanks. I love they’re successful right now. I have always been vocal that we should have gone this style of play route for a long time. Especially now in today’s climate of NIL and transfer portal. Just like this article said, we could retain players better for sure because they wouldn’t be suited for most others style if play. If guys succeed in Lebby’s offense then most definitely other will come in and cherry pick them away at the highest bidder. Nobody wil be coming to steal an option QB ect ect. Their continuity and team maturity and development are helping them more their year over some of the teams they play that deal in the portal every year. Southern Miss should go all in with this if they are smart and able. I’m not sure if someone like a Jeff Monken wouod leave army for USM? He might wouod though.

I don’t want to watch a team with a QB that throws 5-15 for 75 yards per game. Don’t care if we were to run for 300. That crap won’t work in the SEC.

We FINALLY start bringing in coaches that know what a forward pass is and we have folks wanting to go back to the 1970s and run the wishbone and the damn triple option. Good lord make it stop.

 

[bulldoghair]

I don’t want to watch a team with a QB that throws 5-15 for 75 yards per game. Don’t care if we were to run for 300. That crap won’t work in the SEC.

We FINALLY start bringing in coaches that know what a forward pass is and we have folks wanting to go back to the 1970s and run the wishbone and the damn triple option. Good lord make it stop.

Last year we were 5-7. This year we’re 1-6. But we FINALLY know what a forward pass is. Good lord make it stop.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

This dumbass was trying to run the Green Bay packer offense NOT anything related to what Army and Navy are doing this year.

Pretty sure he was referring to the "build a program the right way" part of the commentary. Which was a staple of the Croomtastic era. No reference to the wishbone there

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Army has beat Lehigh, FAU, Rice, Temple, Tulsa, UAB & East Carolina. Navy has beat Bucknell, Memphis, Temple, UAB, Air Force and Charlotte. So maybe 1 good team in the lot. Of course Memphis schedule is just as bad. That win over Florida St. doesn't look nearly as good now as it did then.

Exactly. Imagine if our next five games were against any of these 5 ?? C'mon people. Scooba Tech could compete against that schedule

 

[Shmuley]

I don’t want to watch a team with a QB that throws 5-15 for 75 yards per game. Don’t care if we were to run for 300. That crap won’t work in the SEC.

We FINALLY start bringing in coaches that know what a forward pass is and we have folks wanting to go back to the 1970s and run the wishbone and the damn triple option. Good lord make it stop.

I’ll put you down as a maybe.

 

[HumpDawgy]

I would argue that the most exciting offenses we have ever had were when we ran the wishbone.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Last year we were 5-7. This year we’re 1-6. But we FINALLY know what a forward pass is. Good lord make it stop.

Pretty sure Arnettz was a RuN dA bAwL mouth-breather. Who knows on Lebbro, I still haven't figured out what Showtime really is.

 

[The Peeper]

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I was about to cut and paste the same thing

 

[bulldoghair]

Pretty sure he was referring to the "build a program the right way" part of the commentary. Which was a staple of the Croomtastic era. No reference to the wishbone there

What T-town was saying had nothing to do with Crooms. T-town was referring to the “right way” as in opposition to the wrong way of fighting or getting into a money pissing contest with the LSUs, Bamas, Georgias ect. Totally different.

 

[bulldoghair]

Pretty sure Arnettz was a RuN dA bAwL mouth-breather. Who knows on Lebbro, I still haven't figured out what Showtime really is.

Well we both know Showtime definitely isn’t defense .
Sure Arnett was run the ball or whatever, but it was common. Other words, what he wanted to do and even what Lebby does is common theme with most others. Nothing wrong with that if you consistently have 11 man better talent every year.

 

[The Peeper]

This dumbass was trying to run the Green Bay packer offense NOT anything related to what Army and Navy are doing this year.

I believe it was fondly referred to as "the Gulf Coast offense"

Scooba Tech could compete against that schedule

Not so sure because they are 3-4 this year. Haven't been hearing much out of old Loud Mouth Buddy Stephens this year

 

[MStateDawg]

I’m not sure if someone like a Jeff Monken wouod leave army for USM? He might wouod though.

Monken makes $2 million per year at Army. USM was paying Will Hall $800k. I'm not sure Southern's entire football staff budget is $2 million. I don't think people realize how little money Southern Miss has. Their athletic budget is 2nd smallest in the Sunbelt, only ahead of La. Monroe. They're a small school with a small dwindling fanbase. That job does not draw the interest that it once did.

 

[bulldoghair]

Monken makes $2 million per year at Army. USM was paying Will Hall $800k. I'm not sure Southern's entire football staff budget is $2 million. I don't think people realize how little money Southern Miss has. Their athletic budget is 2nd smallest in the Sunbelt, only ahead of La. Monroe. They're a small school with a small dwindling fanbase. That job does not draw the interest that it once did.

That’s tough. Maybe they could match the 2 mil and see if he’d come. If not, and more realistically, if I were them I’d reach down and offer someone else like the defending Division 2 champions, Harding University’s coach. They run something extremely similar to what Army and Navy are doing, some still call it the flexbone. Last year they ran for over 6,000 yards. That’s 3.5 miles! Went 15-0, only 8 teams have ever done that in D2, and won there first national championship. Could pay that guy Will Hall money.

 

[VegasDawg13]

As a long time opponent to this current iteration of college sports, my many detractors often pointed to the plight of the individual; the players from broken or poor homes who needed that Dodge Charger or that cash to buy hookers and blow.

Not a single person said that to you

 

[FreshAsHail]

The play in the American Confereance.

And their schedule has been really really weak. They both play Notre Dame so that'll be a gauge to see how good they really are.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Well we both know Showtime definitely isn’t defense .
Sure Arnett was run the ball or whatever, but it was common. Other words, what he wanted to do and even what Lebby does is common theme with most others. Nothing wrong with that if you consistently have 11 man better talent every year.

I don't disagree with you on niche. I'm actually a very big fan of that. Just don't know that a triple option is the answer. Modern rules make it advantageous to throw the ball, and throw it a lot.

But thinking about defense.....all of MSU's best teams generally feature great defense. We may ought to lean with that, or at least use our NIL for that. Doesn't matter to me if we have an offensive, defensive or CEO type head coach, as long as they realize that. And then commit to some niche offense that utilizes lesser talent that will cost us less in NIL.

We probably agree more than we disagree.

 

[bulldoghair]

And their schedule has been really really weak. They both play Notre Dame so that'll be a gauge to see how good they really are.

They also have American Conference athletes too. Their schedule is on par with their same talent level and they dominate. If they had the the same or similar athletes Notre Dame can recruit, they would beat the yard dog piss out of Notre Dame. Everyone keeps saying yea that wouldn’t work in the sec ect, but no one is considering it would be with higher caliber athletes.

 

[bulldoghair]

Modern rules make it advantageous to throw the ball, and throw it a lot.

not true at all. All the teams were talking about including Vandy and others are dominating by running the football. This is a misnomer and those that buy into this are getting their asses kicked by some doing otherwise right now

 

[OG Goat Holder]

not true at all. All the teams were talking about including Vandy and others are dominating by running the football. This is a misnomer and those that buy into this are getting their asses kicked by some doing otherwise right now

Come on man, this is nearly an accepted fact. That’s why the entire is in the gun and chunking it around everywhere. It’s why the Air Raid was successful.

The real sticking point behind a triple option is that it’s different and the defenses that have adapted to the spreads have to defend it differently. There’s merit to that, but I’m not sure that’s the best route for a less talented team in the Big 2 conferences.

But hey, GT with Johnson probably would have made the playoff a few times had it been bigger back during his tenure.

 

[FreshAsHail]

They also have American Conference athletes too. Their schedule is on par with their same talent level and they dominate. If they had the the same or similar athletes Notre Dame can recruit, they would beat the yard dog piss out of Notre Dame. Everyone keeps saying yea that wouldn’t work in the sec ect, but no one is considering it would be with higher caliber athletes.

"If"is the key word there...They don't have the same athletes.

 

[bulldoghair]

Come on man, this is nearly an accepted fact. That’s why the entire is in the gun and chunking it around everywhere. It’s why the Air Raid was successful.

Bro the air raid has been successful since the mid-1980s when Hal Mumme was the head coach at Copperas Cove High School in Texas. Then when he and Leach were at NAIA Wesleyan College ect ect.

 

[bulldoghair]

"If"is the key word there...They don't have the same athletes

I’m not understanding your point

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Pretty sure he was referring to the "build a program the right way" part of the commentary. Which was a staple of the Croomtastic era. No reference to the wishbone there

I was referring to vhdawgs post that you commented on. Not Ttowns post. No reference to anything he said there.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

I’m not understanding your point

That seems obvious

 

[bulldoghair]

I was referring to vhdawgs post that you commented on. Not Ttowns post. No reference to anything he said there

That seems obvious

It’s seem obvious, that you’re not very good at making or communicating your real point. Obviously

 

[HotMop]

I don't know how serious of a candidate he was, but Monken was one of the names in the rumor mill when Mullen left. Army was in a 10-3 season that year. I would have loved to see us run that offense with Nick Fitzgerald.

I thought that was Todd Monken at that time.

 

[GloryDawg]

Army has beat Lehigh, FAU, Rice, Temple, Tulsa, UAB & East Carolina. Navy has beat Bucknell, Memphis, Temple, UAB, Air Force and Charlotte. So maybe 1 good team in the lot. Of course Memphis schedule is just as bad. That win over Florida St. doesn't look nearly as good now as it did then.

I think both plays ND.

 

[patdog]

I think both plays ND.

That will either eliminate one or both of them, or eliminate Notre Dame.