Rosebowl says to pay players to play the bowl games…..

[Smoked Toag]

Why are so many clinging to this antiquated system?? We have NIL. The schools aren’t going to pay players, that ship has sailed. The answer is and has always been to expand the playoff.

Before anyone asks, the bowl sponsors can’t pay the players, because that’s not NIL for the player. That’s for the school.

All these deals from Texas and whatever aren’t going to hold up.

 

[Seinfeld]

I will not condone a new allowance that rewards a player for accepting a reward. The trip, the swag, the festivities… it’s a year end celebration of the season, and if a player chooses to opt out of that, so be it.

To me, this has a simple solution. If a player opts out, he forfeits the trip and everything that comes along with the bowl game. If a team opts out, they forfeit their payout.

 

[00Dawg]

At the very least, buy insurance for the ones headed to the draft.

It's become obvious that the new era of individual over team is here to stay, so if the schools and/or entities that profit from this great sport have to guarantee that the best players won't lose their future income stream in order to save our grand traditions, so be it.
Lloyd's of London will be happy to run the numbers I'm sure.

 

[BigDawg0074]

I will not condone a new allowance that rewards a player for accepting a reward. The trip, the swag, the festivities… it’s a year end celebration of the season, and if a player chooses to opt out of that, so be it.

To me, this has a simple solution. If a player opts out, he forfeits the trip and everything that comes along with the bowl game. If a team opts out, they forfeit their payout.

Makes sense to me. Opting out is a nicer way of saying you quit. That’s fine, I don’t blame them and no hard feelings but the ride is over. You quit, you’re out.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I will not condone a new allowance that rewards a player for accepting a reward. The trip, the swag, the festivities… it’s a year end celebration of the season, and if a player chooses to opt out of that, so be it.

To me, this has a simple solution. If a player opts out, he forfeits the trip and everything that comes along with the bowl game. If a team opts out, they forfeit their payout.

Players haven't viewed bowl games as a "celebration" in years.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Bowl sponsors paying players to show up seems like the very purest use of NIL money to me.

 

[BigDawg0074]

Bowl sponsors paying players to show up seems like the very purest use of NIL money to me.

Couldn’t they just put those players in an add saying “Hey watch the game”?

 

[thatsbaseball]

That's what I'm talkin about...

 

[Maroonthirteen]

Reading the tea leaves ... we are more likely to see bowls moved to the beginning of the year as "kick off classics" rather the playoff being expanded.

edit to add: I'd rather see an expanded playoff. I just don't think it is going to happen anytime soon.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Bowl sponsors paying players to show up seems like the very purest use of NIL money to me.

Nope, they wouldn’t be interested in the players if not for the team. That’s not NIL. And once it all settles out, that stuff will go away. Most of it is for public (recruiting) perception anyway.

 

[patdog]

I don’t know. ESPN owns most of the smaller bowls & it’s pretty cheap programming that draws better ratings than what they could get otherwise. The system is broken, but I don’t see it changing any time soon.

Edit: I don’t think you’re going to be able to pay the opt outs enough to make it worth their while. These are generally high draft picks looking at a big NFL payday in a couple of months.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Reading the tea leaves ... we are more likely to see bowls moved to the beginning of the year as "kick off classics" rather the playoff being expanded.

edit to add: I'd rather see an expanded playoff. I just don't think it is going to happen anytime soon.

Baby boomers are still addicted to the bowl games. It's like swimming against the current in the Mississippi River.

NIL has opened the door to expand and play more games. It works for everyone....the players (who deserve it) get paid, and the schools get to remain amateur, and no one has to feel guilty that players are being taken advantage of. The old farts are mad because the players get anything, and the wokes are pissed because everybody doesn't get the same amount (that they don't deserve). Oh well.

Anyways, yeah, they'll continue this dumb bowl system until the opt-outs get so bad, and viewership begins to drop - OR - they finally run the numbers and see how much money an expanded playoff will generate. What you mentioned - ie bowls being moved to the following year? Yeah, that is NOT going to happen.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Bowl sponsors paying players to show up seems like the very purest use of NIL money to me.

The opposite. It is the purest form of pay-for-play.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Baby boomers are still addicted to the bowl games. It's like swimming against the current in the Mississippi River.

NIL has opened the door to expand and play more games. It works for everyone....the players (who deserve it) get paid, and the schools get to remain amateur, and no one has to feel guilty that players are being taken advantage of. The old farts are mad because the players get anything, and the wokes are pissed because everybody doesn't get the same amount (that they don't deserve). Oh well.

Anyways, yeah, they'll continue this dumb bowl system until the opt-outs get so bad, and viewership begins to drop - OR - they finally run the numbers and see how much money an expanded playoff will generate. What you mentioned - ie bowls being moved to the following year? Yeah, that is NOT going to happen.

Are the wokes pissed? All of the "woke" people I know who like football are elated because they felt college sports were a border 13th amendment violation.

As I've said before, sports has a funny tendency to turn conservatives into socialists and liberals into hardcore free-marketers, and I think this is another example.

 

[thatsbaseball]

And NIL is not ?????

 

[Go Budaw]

It’s not really a solution. Whatever payments they receive would pale in comparison to what they gain by moving up a round in the draft (or even going from undrafted to drafted), and that’s why the opt outs are occurring. At least they should pale in comparison….of course Texas A&M boosters could throw together like $500k for a first round pick to stick around for one more game when they are 7-5 and playing in the Texas Bowl. But that would be an enormous waste of resources for an inconsequential gain.

Players really just want to start getting ready for the NFL so they can show as much as they can at the combine and pro days. The bowls are meaningless, so the trend isn’t going away. But the bowls still draw viewers and make money, and there’s no data that says they are making any less money than they did before the opt out trend began, so they aren’t going away either. Seems everyone is going to just have to live with it.

 

[woozman]

No bowl NIL deal will come close to 1st round money.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Or even the opportunity to be drafted period IMO.

 

[Dawgzilla]

And NIL is not ?????

Certainly not. Paying a player for the use of his name, image, and/or likeness is not the same as paying him to play the sport. You are paying for their celebrity, which primarily comes from playing their sport, but not paying them to participate in their sport, attend a certain school, or achieve specific goals.

 

[Bulldogg31]

If you want to make bowl games meaningful then make them all part of a playoff tournament like in college basketball. Yes, fewer teams will make bowl games but they will ALL be more watchable, crowds will be better (especially if the “Jimmy Kimmel Bowl”
was held on campus at Oregon or Oklahoma or Baton Rouge or wherever) and players will want and expect to play in them.

In today’s world that’s all that matters. Play for the big trophy or don’t play at all.

 

[HumpDawgy]

A complete playoff system would make every game "meaningful". All draft eligible players should be provided insurance policies to play in them.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Are the wokes pissed? All of the "woke" people I know who like football are elated because they felt college sports were a border 13th amendment violation.

As I've said before, sports has a funny tendency to turn conservatives into socialists and liberals into hardcore free-marketers, and I think this is another example.

The wokes generally want the players to become 'employees', and basically to de-couple the scholarship. Basically they want a minor league professional organization for college. Well, we all know that isn't realistic and never was the intent of college sports, I mean they only get them for 4-5 years.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Wow. I did not know that.

 

[johnson86-1]

Are the wokes pissed? All of the "woke" people I know who like football are elated because they felt college sports were a border 13th amendment violation.

Because they are idiots on this like pretty much everything else. College athletes are essentially minor league professional athletes and are paid well for minor league athletes. The NFL screws a few players, but that's not really the NCAAs fault.

As I've said before, sports has a funny tendency to turn conservatives into socialists and liberals into hardcore free-marketers, and I think this is another example.

It's not really a matter of free markets versus socialism. There's really nothing else like NCAA sports. If all the NBA players quit and joined a competing league, that league would immediately become the premier league. The NBA franchises have some value and fan loyalty, so they'd retain some fans for a time, but you'd immediately see ticket and suite prices crater to reflect the fact that they are now essentially a minor league professional sports organization.

If all the NCAA players quit and formed a professional sports league for players between 17 and 24, the new league wouldn't be able to pay the athletes half the value of what they were getting in college, and the NCAA teams wouldn't miss a beat, because people are mostly cheering for the university, and only cheering for the players because they are at their university. They only care if they are good relative to other NCAA teams. If they were worried about watching the best players, they'd watch the NFL/NBA/MLB, etc.

Antitrust law doesn't allow universities to coordinate to really ensure they capture the value that their brands create rather than the value being siphoned off in an arms race, and I don't think there is anything conservative or liberal (at least as those terms are currently used in politics) about thinking it's good or bad that universities can't capture that value.