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Looks like we are falling on our face again. We had a chace to cut it to 3-5 after starting 0-4 in the morning. 2-6 is best case today (one match not complete).

Not impossible to come back but very improbable.
 

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Even worse that We couldnā€™t close that last point out either and they won 17&18 to halve the match. Rahm and his partner won 18 to halve and the picture looks pretty grim at the moment being down 6.5 to 1.5

we halved 3 afternoon matches in which we were
2 up going to 14
2 up going to 17
1 up going to 18.

After getting swept in the morning, thatā€™s a much tougher pill to swallow
 

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How are y'all watching this ? Didn't it Used to be on TV ?
 

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Even worse that We couldnā€™t close that last point out either and they won 17&18 to halve the match. Rahm and his partner won 18 to halve and the picture looks pretty grim at the moment being down 6.5 to 1.5

we halved 3 afternoon matches in which we were
2 up going to 14
2 up going to 17
1 up going to 18.

After getting swept in the morning, thatā€™s a much tougher pill to swallow
Very ugly. We might as well waive the white flag.
 

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American professional golfers are grown up country club brats who have never really faced any adversity in their lives. I'm not surprised they fold under pressure like a cheap umbrella.
 

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American professional golfers are grown up country club brats who have never really faced any adversity in their lives. I'm not surprised they fold under pressure like a cheap umbrella.
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Not sure i agree that they are all brats but they certainly struggle in a team atmosphere. The Europeans look and act like a team. We look like a bunch of individuals trying to make it through this event.
 

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This was unthinkable a year ago - unthinkable.
Itā€™s always unthinkable. Every time the US wins one, they think weā€™ve turned the corner. Havenā€™t won in 30 years on European soil. Shouldnā€™t have been unthinkable. This is the norm.
 

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American professional golfers are grown up country club brats who have never really faced any adversity in their lives. I'm not surprised they fold under pressure like a cheap umbrella.
Europe has been kicking the Americanā€™s a$$ in the Ryder Cup for years. Yet so many of those Europeans never won majors. Itā€™s not about necessarily about folding under pressure.

I think the Ryder Cup is almost to the point here there is so much motivation on home soil, itā€™s going to be nearly impossible to steal one.
 

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Simply put, most treasure the Ryder Cup more than winning a major. It's a mind set the European team has in them. It all reached that level with Seve. They seem to make all the shots when needed. Sergio looked like the world's best putter over the years in Cup competition, not so much during normal PGA events.
Hope I'm wrong but this RC is over after day 1.
 
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Itā€™s always unthinkable. Every time the US wins one, they think weā€™ve turned the corner. Havenā€™t won in 30 years on European soil. Shouldnā€™t have been unthinkable. This is the norm.
We aren't losing to "soil". We're losing to better players, terrible captaining, beginning with questionable captain's picks, and egregious decisions as to match assignments.
 

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We aren't losing to "soil". We're losing to better players, terrible captaining, beginning with questionable captain's picks, and egregious decisions as to match assignments.
Speaking of match assignments, what process went into Sam Burns playing
opening session? And first match at that!
 

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Speaking of match assignments, what process went into Sam Burns playing
opening session? And first match at that!
If I had to guess, I'm thinking Zack Johnson rolled the dice on being considered one of the most "brilliant and insightful" captains of all time. Now, he's in line to become the biggest buffoon to ever hold the position. Even if we come back to make it close, unless we miraculously come all the way back, it will be recorded that it was actually lost on Day One through maladroit leadership. Actually, it might have been lost the day he made his captain's selections.
 
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If I had to guess, I'm thinking Zack Johnson rolled the dice on being considered one of the most "brilliant and insightful" captains of all time. Now, he's in line to become the biggest buffoon to ever hold the position. Even if we come back to make it close, unless we miraculously come all the way back, it will be recorded that it was actually lost on Day One through maladroit leadership. Actually, it might have been lost the day he made his captain's selections.
One of the reasons I liked Keegan. He was playing good golf and just has an intensity about him. And Cam Young for that matter.
 
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We aren't losing to "soil". We're losing to better players, terrible captaining, beginning with questionable captain's picks, and egregious decisions as to match assignments.
It has been 30 years since weā€™ve won in Europe. If you think playing over there doesnā€™t have a major impact on it, so be it. By the way, and Iā€™m sure you know, we won in the US 2 years ago 19-9.

But I do agree with you on the criticism of Johnson. I hated the picks. But this has been going on well before this year. Even when we finally got it right going with pods, we still get our a$$ kicked in Europe.

You seem too smart to be getting fooled into thinking the US team is going to go to Europe and win the Ryder Cup. I say that with the utmost respect. I donā€™t know why media / fans continue to expect this to happen when our players continue to get blasted over there. Have we not selected a decent captain or had good players in any of those Ryder Cups?

Weā€™ll win there eventually. Shoot, maybe weā€™ll have a miracle comeback this time. (Highly doubt it) But I for one will be surprised when it finally happens. Weā€™ve been far more talented than Europe in so many of those Cup on foreign soil since 1993. 0 wins. I donā€™t see how this wasnā€™t predictable or expected. By now it should be.
 
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What do you mean 3 of the Top 4 golfers in the world are European. Rahm, McIlroy, and Hovland.
The post you replied to says, ā€œEurope has been kicking the Americanā€™s a$$ in the Ryder Cup for years.ā€ It also says, ā€œthose Europeansā€ not ā€œthese Europeansā€. You have to read the post to see what it actually says.

Iā€™m not talking about this European team. Thinking about guys like Ian Poulter, Colin Montgomery, Lee Westwood, Luke Donald, etcā€¦Darren Clarke & Sergio Garcia only won one major each.

Over the past 30 years Americans dominated golf. Yet Europe dominated the Ryder Cup.
 
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It has been 30 years since weā€™ve won in Europe. If you think playing over there doesnā€™t have a major impact on it, so be it. By the way, and Iā€™m sure you know, we won in the US 2 years ago 19-9.

But I do agree with you on the criticism of Johnson. I hated the picks. But this has been going on well before this year. Even when we finally got it right going with pods, we still get our a$$ kicked in Europe.

You seem too smart to be getting fooled into thinking the US team is going to go to Europe and win the Ryder Cup. I say that with the utmost respect. I donā€™t know why media / fans continue to expect this to happen when our players continue to get blasted over there. Have we not selected a decent captain or had good players in any of those Ryder Cups?

Weā€™ll win there eventually. Shoot, maybe weā€™ll have a miracle comeback this time. (Highly doubt it) But I for one will be surprised when it finally happens. Weā€™ve been far more talented than Europe in so many of those Cup on foreign soil since 1993. 0 wins. I donā€™t see how this wasnā€™t predictable or expected. By now it should be.
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What has changed? Before the 90's, we won just about everytime we played regardless of location. Europe simply got better?

Our players seem to do well in the British open and we won in 80's and early 90's there so it's not the courses.

Personally, like the SEC commercial, I think it "just means more" to them.
 
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Winning over there is tough. I'm not sure we had the right captain for the job.
 

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It has been 30 years since weā€™ve won in Europe. If you think playing over there doesnā€™t have a major impact on it, so be it. By the way, and Iā€™m sure you know, we won in the US 2 years ago 19-9.

But I do agree with you on the criticism of Johnson. I hated the picks. But this has been going on well before this year. Even when we finally got it right going with pods, we still get our a$$ kicked in Europe.

You seem too smart to be getting fooled into thinking the US team is going to go to Europe and win the Ryder Cup. I say that with the utmost respect. I donā€™t know why media / fans continue to expect this to happen when our players continue to get blasted over there. Have we not selected a decent captain or had good players in any of those Ryder Cups?

Weā€™ll win there eventually. Shoot, maybe weā€™ll have a miracle comeback this time. (Highly doubt it) But I for one will be surprised when it finally happens. Weā€™ve been far more talented than Europe in so many of those Cup on foreign soil since 1993. 0 wins. I donā€™t see how this wasnā€™t predictable or expected. By now it should be.
It's not too much to ask, given the right cast of characters. That's the rub, not the "soil". If that's wrong, we wouldn't beat them on either side of the "pond". Get it right, you've got a chance anyplace. Is this team even remotely comparable to the team and coaches that brought home the 19-9?
 

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It's not too much to ask, given the right cast of characters. That's the rub, not the "soil". If that's wrong, we wouldn't beat them on either side of the "pond". Get it right, you've got a chance anyplace. Is this team even remotely comparable to the team and coaches that brought home the 19-9?
Yes it is comparable entering the tournament. Easy to sit here in hindsight and say it isnā€™t comparable after seeing the results. For years the Americans have been favorites (often heavy favorites) only to get blitzed by the Europeans in Europe. But Iā€™m not excusing Johnsonā€™s awful captaincy. He deserves some blame.
 
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What are the thoughts on the reports of Cantlay? Him separating himself, not wearing the USA hat, etc all because he believes they should get paid for this event?
 

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What are the thoughts on the reports of Cantlay? Him separating himself, not wearing the USA hat, etc all because he believes they should get paid for this event?
Canā€™t stand Cantlay and this makes me like him even less. But Iā€™m sure Cantlay isnā€™t one of the boys anyway, so that doesnā€™t help.

This goes along with much of the deserved criticism of Johnson. He tried to get a close knit group of boys and that didnā€™t work.
 

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Canā€™t stand Cantlay and this makes me like him even less. But Iā€™m sure Cantlay isnā€™t one of the boys anyway, so that doesnā€™t help.

This goes along with much of the deserved criticism of Johnson. He tried to get a close knit group of boys and that didnā€™t work.
Well the way Cantlay closed out that last match was pretty freaking special!
And the announcers seemed to chime in in support of Cantlay and spoke against those reports.
Very important win there as the largest margin ever in singles was 8.5 to 3.5 and 8.5 Is now what we need so we will see
 
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Well the way Cantlay closed out that last match was pretty freaking special!
And the announcers seemed to chime in in support of Cantlay and spoke against those reports.
Very important win there as the largest margin ever in singles was 8.5 to 3.5 and 8.5 Is now what we need so we will see
Yeah, sounds like the rumors might be false. Still irritates me how slow Cantlay plays. But loved the way he closed it out today. Great job to flip that match coming in.
 

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Video going around of Rory yelling at someone and Shane Lowry has to restrain him and push him into the car. Bones was standing near whoever he was yelling at and looked like he was trying to deescalate the situation. Pretty remarkable how shook up the Europeans got just by losing 3 of 4 in the afternoon. There have been FAR WORSE celebrations than what we saw on 18 after Cantlay made that putt.

Not sure why everyone likes Rory. Heā€™s been, by far, the biggest prick in golf the past year and a half and itā€™s not even close. So sad he got his feelings hurt after blowing the match.
 

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Video going around of Rory yelling at someone and Shane Lowry has to restrain him and push him into the car. Bones was standing near whoever he was yelling at and looked like he was trying to deescalate the situation. Pretty remarkable how shook up the Europeans got just by losing 3 of 4 in the afternoon. There have been FAR WORSE celebrations than what we saw on 18 after Cantlay made that putt.

Not sure why everyone likes Rory. Heā€™s been, by far, the biggest prick in golf the past year and a half and itā€™s not even close. So sad he got his feelings hurt after blowing the match.
My nomination for biggest prick award would be Koepka during time frame mentioned. WTH is he even being considered for a spot on this team. Keegan definitely should have been ahead of him.
 
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My nomination for biggest prick award would be Koepka during time frame mentioned. WTH is he even being considered for a spot on this team. Keegan definitely should have been ahead of him.
Brooks finished way ahead of Bradley in points and thatā€™s without getting points on LIV. Koepka finished 2nd in the Masters and won the PGA Championship this year.

Iā€™m all for Bradley being on this team, but if Brooks Koepka was left off it wouldā€™ve been a disgrace. Far greater than Bradley being left off. It was a near miracle he didnā€™t automatically qualify to begin with as he was 6th in points heading into the Tour Championship. Finished 7th, one spot outā€¦and again, all of this without earning any points for playing on the Tour heā€™s on.

I get that people donā€™t like Koepka. But he absolutely should be on this team.
 

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Video going around of Rory yelling at someone and Shane Lowry has to restrain him and push him into the car. Bones was standing near whoever he was yelling at and looked like he was trying to deescalate the situation. Pretty remarkable how shook up the Europeans got just by losing 3 of 4 in the afternoon. There have been FAR WORSE celebrations than what we saw on 18 after Cantlay made that putt.

Not sure why everyone likes Rory. Heā€™s been, by far, the biggest prick in golf the past year and a half and itā€™s not even close. So sad he got his feelings hurt after blowing the match.
I like some of the European players such as V. H. and Rahm but have never liked Rory. He walks around like he owned the join. His chest out and nose in the air.

Koepka should have kept his mouth shut about Rahm. What Rahm did wasn't so bad. Not sure it's a good idea to poke the bear.
 
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I like some of the European players such as V. H. and Rahm but have never liked Rory. He walks around like he owned the join. His chest out and nose in the air.

Koepka should have kept his mouth shut about Rahm. What Rahm did wasn't so bad. Not sure it's a good idea to poke the bear.
Yeah, that was odd. I just donā€™t think Koepka gives a ****. Rory tried to jump on being the savior of the PGA Tour and then it blew up in his face. Problem is, he hasnā€™t shut up about it and continues to double down. And worse, heā€™s commented on the LIV guys about personal life things which is just over the line.

I didnā€™t mind Rory. But this past year and a half heā€™s just been the guy the PGA got to do their talking. The PGA is run by a bunch of spineless douchebags. Rory shouldā€™ve realized that and shut his mouth. Itā€™s hilarious how big a fit this European team is throwing about the celebration on 18. Good grief. They whine every year.
 

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Brooks Ryder Cup career should be over. Only cares about himself and runs his mouth. Scotty S didn't play great but it was clear that loss on Saturday really hurt.
 
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Brooks Ryder Cup career should be over. Only cares about himself and runs his mouth. Scotty S didn't play great but it was clear that loss on Saturday really hurt.
I've always thought USA doesn't understand the concept of team golf, the Foursomes for example. Europe does, team selection and pairing the correct guys is proof. They dominate that section of the RC.
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