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It was downright maddening.
Why we kept doing something that wasn't working was beyond me.
Why we kept doing something that wasn't working was beyond me.
Y'all clearly forget how bad Rattler looked when he called downfield passes against Kentucky. There were several games where that's all we had. Rattler's wasn't season struggles were limiting and were very much attributable to his confidence. The question is how much that had to do with Satterfield being a basket- case before adopting the "f*ck it" mantra and that we repped two dozen personnel. Either way, when you watched the games you consistently saw we would push the ball early, they didn't connect, Rattler through more interceptions than TDs through the first half of the season, and the playcalling adjusted to try to put it in the hands of our highly athletic receivers to try to make something happen. Satterfield's problem was in prep and managing people, that limited his playcalling, we saw that he learned, changed and had bumpers put up to get the most out of his ideas and it resulted in two top 10 wins. Now, we probably could've had that sooner if he wasn't an ego- maniac, unwilling to reevaluate himself (who the hell thinks you can have 20+ personnel groups master the scheme in 20 hour practice weeks?) Word is that Loggains has similar schematic ideas that knocked off two top-ten teams without the ego that flounders spreading reps too thin across too many people to mostly bad results through ten games.
Those behind the line quick outs to WRs were maddening because no one knew how to block. There would be two DBs all over the receiver. They got better at it as the season progressed. It was somewhat successful against clemson. Wells put the game away with one of those. But he gained the 1st down mostly on his own effort. It was designed for him to run inside, but the blocking was not there.
Not sure what this means. Aren’t most pass from behind the line of scrimmage? Oh! Does he mean the ball was caught there? Or does he mean that the ball was downed there? Clarity, please.
The ball was caught at our behind the LOS. Basically a lateral passing game versus a vertical passing game.
Ratt had never run a pro style offense. Didn't seem like there was much easing into it for a guy that was brand new to it. Really hard to blame Ratt when you see how he performed when we simplified and loosened the reigns, so to speak. He also had Bell out there running wrong routes and just completely forgetting the playcall.
At the end of the day the guys making $1M/yr got to a point where he didn't know what to do other than just throw screens. I don't care what the reason is...that, and Satt, sucks.
That's true and, though the passes were behind the LOS, they were often long-ish passes...could be a nearly 25 yard pass from near the middle of the field to the sideline. A long lateral pass gave the D plenty of time to cover. Throw in poor blocking and it usually didn't work well.
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Yeah. The bottom line is you have to do what works despite the OC's preferences. Maybe Nebraska will be the pro offense he wanted us to be.
I have reservations.
But you can't do anything if they can't execute anything. Honestly, we were more effective downfield for the first half with Doty in, statistically speaking. Doty had more deep competitions than Rattler with a fraction of the snaps at one point. Rattler had destroyed confidence at Oklahoma and he was gonna take lumps rebuilding it anyway. And you'll recall that the more Bell failed to do what was asked of him the less and less we used him. One of the big knocks on Sat in season was that Bell didn't get in at all in a game we lost. Did he play Bell too much or not enough? Rattler visibly grew throughout the season, and you can see it with the drop in his taste if INTs before we eliminated our packages and focused on a core group. I can say with confidence we didn't lose Arky because of Satt but because we didn't match-up along the OL and Rattler wasn't ready for it all to be in his shoulders (which frankly would be asking too much). Rattler was ready by Tennessee and with the reduced groups, the skill players were better prepared too, Rattler had stopped making his head scratching throws for a while by then before the offense was simplified. At any rate, the premise of your post is that this is a permanent problem that Nebraska is going to inherit, but again, you could see in every game he wanted to go vertical and reverted to the only thing we could execute which was the dink and dunk game, which is easier to defend with no vertical threat. If we don't go dink and dunk and continue to let Rattler endanger the ball, we would've lost the Kentucky game based on the amount of times the ball was in danger when he threw it. I also think Beamer learned and wouldn't let an OC prep like that again.
We were the pro offense he wanted us to be during those upsets.
Edit: And he has whatever lessons he didn't want to learn before then and he'll be under Rhule, who is experienced enough to inhibit bad ideas and pull rank against any ego-trip he has.
I agree with your premise. The fallacy in his offense is asking a college QB to be a pro QB. Asking college OL to do pro OL reads and protections. Stuff like that. They can only practice so much. Sure, it CAN happen. But it's not going to happen with a kid running that O for the first time in his life. So you're kind of stuck. My guess is it's really hard to find high school QBs running a pro style offense. So you're in a spot where you're guaranteeing taking lumps until a QB is in his 3rd year of the system. That's my point. The biggest issue with Ratt going downfield earlier in the year was timing. It was ALWAYS late. Which is either going to lead to a pick or incompletion. It wasn't hard to figure out. Why the change wasn't made earlier is baffling.
But one thing we'll absolutely agree on is Bell. Most overrated, overhyped player to come through in a long, long time. He got too many chances if you ask me. We might have pulled that Ark game off if we can just fed Lloyd and let him get in a groove. Bell was a mess of a RB.
It was comical that after he was hired, Nebraska put out a graphic with the title "The Satterfield Offense" but only put the stats from the UT and Clemson games. Forget the 9 other regular season games.
Honestly, Rattler and the OL did pull it off. Rattler getting wonky fundamentally and playing in his head want specific to any offense and he did it a lot in 2021 at Okie. The OL handled everything asked of them as soon as Douglas took over the protection calls, that and the DUO helped with their lack of foot speed in 2021 when compared to the zone. But all the receivers not running routes confidently from repping too many people in too many concepts and playing musical chairs between every snap was the last barrier after Rattler's apparent growth culminated in a great individual performance against Vandy. And honestly, our OL did great in pass protection over the season, Rattler in panic mode would scramble into the sack in an otherwise clean pocket or good the ball too long second guessing everything. I think while the OL was getting blamed for our troubles by everyone at one point we simultaneously had more sacks than just about everyone in the league but also had the longest time to throw off everyone. Our OL failed to move people in the running game, which is why Lloyd was the only productive RB who made things happen as long as the D front was just occupied, but we did miss our assignments in the pass game. Actually, first half of the spring game shows how much difference getting the calls right makes, because both defenses were calling the same blitzes but the Black team left few free rushers but the Garnet Center must not have been reading it as well because the Garnet team left at least one free rusher each snap. I remember Rattler missing guys come open on In routes, leaving a clean pocket, changing the rush lanes for the DL so they were able to then beat their blocks and put him in danger to force a lousy pass to a covered guy early in the season. Our when he was slow at his progressions early, got tunnel vision and through an INT against Arky from a clean pocket when A Brown was open for a would be TD for a hot second but never got looked at by Rattler. I think Rattler missed three would be TDs against Arky, one over throw two he didn't even look at the open guy with more than enough time. Nevermind the Rattler that played against Tennessee, if he executed that game just the way he did against Vandy in terms of vision and ball placement, we'd win that Arky game. I think it's telling that Beamer stressed that he wasn't gonna hire an OC that would do things vastly different from what worked against Tennessee and Clemson. He stressed time and again he wanted to still be pro style, but simpler in depth and breadth of the playbook and personnel. Also, the last 4 National Champions all ran some kind of modern Pro- style offense. What has never won a NC or SEC Championship is the kind of offenses that Arkansas and Tennessee run.
Beamer wakes up every day thinking about how he's going to beat UGA. Nothing else matters if we can't beat them. You don't beat UGA, you don't win the East and you're not competing for championships. And you're not beating UGA with air raid or anything like that. That's why I believe him when he says Garrett Riley wasn't a target. That would have been so far outside of what Beamer has said and done. Remember, his first hire was keeping Bobo. He did want to bring in Riley under Bobo to incorporate the pass concepts into Bobo's offense. But that's it. When Bobo left, we got Satt. And you're right. The whole time he said he didn't want to bring anyone in that would change too much. Riley would have been a huge change from what we were doing. I got sucked into the Riley rumors as well. All we had to do was listen from the beginning to know that's not happening.
In 3 years, I think your fears will be justified.
I already feel pretty vindicated about pulling for Beamer over Sunbelt Billy.
I'll hold off on celebrating that move since they whipped us like scalded dogs last year.
I was honestly hopeful. We can't compete with the upper echelons of the SEC on talent. I think we need an aggressive offense.
But I also understand rationalizing after what we got.
Yeah, I get that. But consider this. In an air raid, we'd be trying to spread the field to get guys in space against a team that has elite speed all over the field. You'd be going up against a DL with elite speed and agility with wide splits. It's just not going to work. You're much better off making their D actually play football than making them chase your guys around the field...you're just not going to outrun them on a consistent enough basis.
Gotta ask...since Rattler played on the same Sooner team as Hurts, and Hurts is now a solid NFL guy, how much difference does the "pro style" offense really make?
That's part of the reason we beat Bama in '10. Maybe the fastest Gamecock defense ever.
Don't disagree, and this is an oversimplification, but scheming around them, or running right at them? One option seems doomed to me, right off the bat.
I guess if we're using georgia as the measuring stick, then we lose before the game starts. We don't have the horses to compete.
But what gets us moving from middle to higher in the pack of the SEC?
It ain't rationalizing, I've thought for years you need to be multiple to beat the upper echelon, modern pro offenses, like what the last four NCs ran are just that. Every time Beamer discussed what he wanted out of his offense and defense it actually is what I wanted schematically going in.
The biggest difference is between the ears and work ethic. College players can only officially practice/review film so many hours a week. There's no limit to it in the NFL. They both flourished in the offense at OU. But a big difference is Hurts is a lot more mobile than Ratt. Hurts is freakishly talented, very bright, and works his butt off. Not saying Ratt isn't, but that's why Hurts has flourished.
Ratt went into some detail on this in a bussin with the boys interview. OU playcall would have been 2-3 words. The same play in Satt's O would have been like 12 words and variations. Not just the QB that has to remember that, the entire O has to be on the same page. Just very hard to do at the college level.
I guess if "pro-style" includes those LSU and Bama teams, then shooting for "pro style" is a good thing.
I've heard and caught Beamer's devotion to "pro style" too. If he is also including that LSU team as an example, then I can get more on board than Satterfield's "pro style" offense.
Edit: On a side note, I'm not sure if being air raid is not being "multiple" as well. Are we assuming that system is only throwing, or overly dominated by the passing game?
Pro style offenses run full passing trees, don't rely on speed to the line to take an advantage, will have OL pull and scrape for PAs to make it harder to read it as a fake. Air Raid uses wide splits on the OL where the OL, can't support each other as much or fact to a blitzing linebacker as easily but an EDGE rusher has further to go and RBs can read holes more easily. In the passing game, Air Raid is made to get receivers wide out so zones can't overlap in coverage and receivers for the most part run vertical concepts to try to beat people with speed or bubbles, where good enough athletes can take away either in man coverage. Tennessee doesn't even run a conventional Air Raid but the similar pass concepts made their offense absolutely ineffective against Georgia. Our offense ideally forces DBs to cover every route on the tree and leverage is used to get small windows based on how routes are dedended, they need to scrape, communicate and make a play on the ball because the scheme isn't designed to rely on creating coverage break-downs like Air Raids do because it won't work with the kinds of athletes that play in the Pros. Hurts succeeds at an offense unlike what he ran in college because he's talented and mastering it is his full time job.
When I call the Air Raid limited, I mean that fundamentally they use fewer passing concepts but rely on their receivers to master them to execute them even if the defense has the right call. And Satterfield ran a lot of the concepts LSU ran. Tennessee, Clemson, Florida in 2021 are all proof the scheme wasn't the problem with our offense, the problem was what me and this other cat have been discussing, that he didn't manage his personnel well and asked them to so too much with limited prep- time. UGA, LSU and Bama all ran the kinds of concepts Pro teams run today. Modern pro teams is full passing trees, using single pass calls to attack deep intermediate and short and they use zone running concepts. Kentucky also ran a simplified and streamlined pro offense (pro concepts but not a 200 page playbook) in 2021 and it worked really well for them in terms of efficiency, huge improvement from every other year of the Stoops era, last year they had a bigger playbook and a load of personnel packages and just like us, they struggled.
They have no viable QB, one good receiver and they'll have less depth at RB. Their defense look like they'll be improved, by running basically what we have been running, which was new to us under Beamer and not really done by other SEC schools just a couple of years ago. Beamer picked up in a trend in the SEC and lead on another one between the offense and defense he chose to run, you really should just trust his judgement at a certain point.
I think you meant tennesse and clemson of 2022, not 2021, right? Didn't we get smoked by both in 2021?
But I understand where you're coming from. With those definitions, I think we lose to georgia regardless of which offense we choose. We don't have the horses to compete, unless they don't show up for a game.
And I do agree that Satterfield sucked at managing his personnel. It was one of his many faults imo.
Also imo, one should be asking what gets us out of the middle of the pack and up to the higher echelon of the SEC while playing with lesser talent, ot what beats UGA. That comes later.
Let's just say I think that's a lot of wishful thinking about tennesse, and leave it at that.
We don't have the talent yet, but we will compete with them when the players we're recruiting last year and this are ready to contribute. Tennessee on the other hand would need someone to play hero ball or for Georgia to come out flat like against Mizzou and they won't ever be that flat against Tennessee. You don't need to be as talented as Georgia, just need to not lose every snap in the trenches and then plan and exploit the right matchups. You need the right talent and scheme to beat Georgia, and the scheme that puts up big numbers against the scrubs isn't always the right scheme to beat the greatest concentration of defensive talent a dynasty has reliably accumulate in the history of the sport.