Two games he probably didn't call, at least by himself.
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You need the players to get out of middle of the pack, we didn't have them when Beamer took over but we are already doing what we need to for that right now. We won back to back top ten wins for the first time in school history running a pro scheme. You need patience.
I wasn't talking about Tennessee, I was taking about Florida in the first thing you replied to.
People want to ignore the fact that it was Satt's offense against UT/CU, and he called the plays. The scheme isn't the issue. It's a damn shame he couldn't get out of his own way. Why did he keep forcing Bell? Why didn't he realize earlier that Adkins was much better than Stogner? Why didn't he see the need to simplify earlier? His management of the O was the problem. If we can land Diggs, this O can be something special this year.
He called them. What you saw was what happens when the focus is narrowed and the players are confident in executing the plays. It's kind of like they were studying advanced calculus all year, then were given an algebra 1 test.Two games he probably didn't call, at least by himself.
Satt was reputed to be the sharpest guy in a room full of very smart coaches, I think that came with some hubris. We saw that he can thrive under the right circumstances. It wouldn't surprise me if Rhule pulls rank on what he gets wrong and leaves him to manage everything within that.
Last season was more than two games. We played poorly with that system as well.
And has our recruiting really been that much better the last two years? Over the last 20 years averages?
I think you misworded it then.
Tennessee, Clemson, Florida in 2021 are all proof the scheme wasn't the problem with our offense,
No big deal. I think I knew what you meant.
Honestly, I don't see where he's ever "thrived".
That, and make them think. HBC had Kirby all twisted up in 2010 when he was at Bama. They didn't know what we were going to do. We had a lot of talent on the field, but not as much as them. We weren't just spreading the field. We were going vertical, running between the tackles, swinging it out to the flats....we were multiple. Like I said earlier, make them play football...not have a footrace to the edge. That's not gonna fly.
It could be symptomatic of the precipitous downfall in baseball. People are jumping ahead.
UT, Clem, and ND. He sucked. But he scheme was sound. He couldn't keep it to a manageable level though. I wonder if that's some inexperience on Beamer's part as well? Would a more seasoned coach (Rhule) give him lines to stay in to make sure things don't get sideways?
The ND game was kind of nuts. At one point, our TOP FIVE RECEIVERS were out of the game. We had Wyatt Campbell out there playing TE. No Bell/Lloyd in the backfield. Still managed 350 yards and had a chance to win at the end.
He didn't misword, you tangled up context in multiple responses. The part about Tennessee, Clemson, and Florida in 2021 was a quote he made AFTER he posted about the returning personnel and bowl game chances of Florida for 2023, and he had already re-directed his context to other things. He opened that initial context about prefering Beamer over Florida's Napier as head coach, and someone referenced how badly Florida scalped us in 2022, and he stated that they won't even make a bowl game in 2023. He was asked why by you, and he responded about Florida personnel returning not being very good. Then context in posts moved to other things, and he made comments about Tennessee, Clemson, and Florida in 2021 - not 2022. Then you got it all confused........
If we're talking about the same person, we're talking about the coach who was dealt out of the braintrust after the Florida game. That's firm.
Time will tell. We've had good classes over the years, but you can't have 2 good classes then 2 bad ones. Consistency has been an issue. The thing that's been impressive to me about Beamer is he's not just relying on SC having good HS talent. He's grabbing out of state talent. He's also answering the bell (pun intended) in the portal. We were labeled one of the biggest portal losers earlier in the year. I think we're better at TE than we were, and might be better at RB as well. He's tenacious, and he doesn't make excuses. I never got that feeling with Muschamp. This 24 class is going to be special.
Of those three, it kind of depends on the definition of "thrived". We beat a Clemson team that trotted out headcase at qb, almost eliminating the forward pass as a threat. And I can't blame/celebrate too many things from the ND game, as neither team was fielding anything close to their starting teams.
But I agree, Satterfield sucking is not a condemnation of "pro style" offenses. It's a condemnation of him alone.
And I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he isn't better under Rhule, as you say.
We have had good classes. I researched one ti.e, and we're pretty consistent high teens to low twenties. Hence why I sometimes question the celebrating of recruiting rankings that fall in that range.
You are right that 2024 is starting much better.
I was confused by one thing, you said we're better at RB? Did we get a rent portal transfer, because as of yesterday we were still really thin there, with a thread dedicated to that concern.
I get it. It was still his playbook. They didn't just throw everything away and start over. It was a gameplan by committee, and the plays he had to choose from were reduced. But he was involved.
I think we're in really good shape with Diggs, the ND RB. That would be huge. He at least played the entire year last year, something Lloyd could never do.
Ah, if we land him, yes. Thin after that, and VERY thin if we don't land him.
First, DaboSits2PeePee and I have detailed all the things that weren't schematic that were in the way of the offense. Have you considered one could poorly execute a good idea? And second, at OL and DL, we have never recruited a well as last year, found gems and have never had a class as good as the one we're putting together looks to be right now. That top 10 Spurrier class was ranked that high because of volume.
Literally the two games I pointed at to show that his issue was repping too many guys, and not the scheme. If the scheme was busted we wouldn't have been capable of what we did at the end of the year.
Once Adkins went down and we had no viable blocking TE, that game was gonna with out just how it did, a gassed defense and offense floundering against a ND defense that didn't have to worry about the run.
No, I did mean Tennessee and Clemson, but Florida in 2021. Everything else you got right.
We have video of him calling plays against Clemson, and it was still his scheme anyway. The only verifiable thing that changed was that we cut down to five personnel packages from over twenty. Where's your firm source?
Our top two RBs were out orvlimited in most games last year, in real world impact, it's not unimaginable we'll be better off than that.
Two of them. In S.C. One longtime donor, one with close relationships among the coaches. Both well connected for decades.
I already stated the Satterfield suckin was NOT a condemnation of "pro style offense" but a condemnation of him and him alone.
And I've heard a lot of times that a similarly ranked class is really going to better this time.
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You don't start over that deep into the season; you can't.
You do realize Beamer was the RC for the three most accomplished classes in school history, right? And I specifically said things that rely on the recruiting services, OL and DL are the most consequential positions on the field and last season was our highest ranked combined for those two groups and this year is topping it already. It's also a fact that our average per player for Spurrier’s one to 10 class was low for such a highly rated class and it was because we had over 25 signees.
And no one what scored 63 against Tennessee and ended Clemson's home winning streak. Even if you could start over, throwing out that scheme, which was developed by 4 coaches including Satt and Beamer, would've been a mistake.
I see where I thought you were talking Tenn and not UF, when you were talking about making a bowl. I could almost agree with that about UF, especially with FSU turning from wins to losses.
But you're also right, you confused years when you lumped Florida, tenn and Clemson together in 2021, like I said. Doubt we'll get a whiny diatribe about you getting things confused though.
And as I said, no biggie. I knew what you meant.
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RBs in the portal - On3
Looking over who's available now that the portal is back open. Nobody immediately jumps out. Lot's of 3* guys, so just gonna some shrewd evaluation. Hope this staff can get a Juice Wells type find.
It was hashed out here in more detail. But it's worth mentioning we're talking about a true freshman, a div3 transfer and a converted qb making up the bulk of the options.
I'd call myself more hopeful than optimistic about that lineup.
I remember he was RC, that can be cause for optimism, even if he was recruiting with the name Spurrier on the office door.
That optimism doesn't change the idea though, that celebrating a class as anything special is difficult when it falls in historical norms. Granted, this past year was on the high end of that norm, but two years ago was on the low end.
I also understand the notion of the trenches being important. It's just that each year (it seems) the classes that fit in historical norms are argued to be somehow better than those other years because of fitting needs or focus on a particular area. I'm not saying you're wrong, I suppose I've just heard it before and am in a "wait and see" mode.
I didn't get the years confused, I thought context would be cheat I meant Tennessee and Clemson from 2022 and when I put 2021, I meant for that to only apply to Florida.
He found more gems than any other RC for Spurrier and we had more busts without him. Think of all the busts in that '15 class. Think of how the 2010 class was ranked 19th and was loaded with out of state talent that ended up producing more than any other teams class when all was said and done.
That seems odd. But given the actual quote, where you say tennesse, Clemson and Florida in 2021 makes me wonder if any confusion was really on the part of the reader.
Tennessee, Clemson, Florida in 2021 are all proof the scheme wasn't the problem with our offense,
I think we've already made a bigger deal out of it than it's worth though.