Not officially announced, but in the works. It’s funny…kind of jealous of ND here. We *hope* Allar is good, but he is still an unproven commodity who hasn’t taken any real meaningful snaps. Notre Dame is getting a guy we all know is very good at the D-1 level. Could the portal route actually be better than developing guys at QB?
Sam Hartman to ND
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Figures
Let’s see.
Transfer portal QBs have won two Heismans.
One won a national championship.
The ND kid is a proven commodity and holds many of the ACC career records.
Oregon had a good season and goes to a bowl with a transfer QB.
I guess you could take the route Penn State has taken the last five years and go with a mediocre homegrown QB who has no hope to see a down in the NFL.
I would bet Hartman knew where he was going before he entered the portal. That’s unfortunately what makes the new Transfer rules a joke. The tampering with high end quality players is rampant. Sadly it could have been structured so much better. But that’s the NCAA for you.
He is the quarterback who quarterbacked Wake Forest into a winning team, led them to bowls and rewrote the ACC record books at the quarterback position.
Some guy I never heard of before yesterday who’s portalling to Notre Dame.
Look, Sam is a good QB. There is recent evidence that disgruntled or over-looked QBs can transfer and flourish. Yes, there will be years where the portal is an upgrade from our recruiting efforts. Not this year. Both Allar and Pribula are primo studs. Anyone this side of blindness saw that Allar has intangibles to go along with a lightning release. So the long term answer to the question is that it varies from year to year. The answer this year is no. We have two needs that our well compensated coaching staff must address, down field WRs and big (Michigan) man haters on the D-Line. We have the best all around coaching staff in Franklin's tenure with recruits that can get it done. It is closing time for Franklin and we are watching.
Transfers overall have been very successful - at least five QBs have won Heisman’s (Newton, Mayfield, Murray, Burrow and Williams). Then you look at guys like Fields, Hurts, and others who have a lot of success. It’s as good as developing your own QB IMO - maybe better in the portal era.
I get your point, but not all transfers have been successful. Rudock and Patterson were only mediocre at Michigan. JT Daniels has now transferred to his fourth school in four years. Kedon Slovis is transferring to his third school. On top of that, over 1,400 players entered the portal so far this year. Only about 200 have found a home as of last week. Last year, somewhere between 30-40% of those that entered he portal actually found a home at another school. The portal has not been overwhelming successful overall. The big name players will be successful if they are successful when they transfer. Talent is talent.
And how did Michigan do with transfers? You think Allar is a mediocre talent?
The NCAA needs to do better with tampering. But, Hartman is a bad example, as he's a grad transfer and wouldn't need the portal. He's been at Wake since Jan of 2018.
Granted, but if a program reaches out to a player actively on another roster (grad transfer or not) and offers inducements or incentives to transfer is that not tampering? Especially if the player has made no public announcement.
Conversely, i wonder how much of this new player movement is initially begun by the players, their families or influencers looking for a better deal. That maybe an untold part of the story. If they’re offered a windfall neither side is going to turn it down.
If you assume that there are two approaches - 1) recruit elite talent from HS and if you do that they need to play early or 2) steadily go with transfers. The second approach will generally need that player to be impactful right away. Penn State has had a slightly different approach under JF. IF you remove his first year with the Hack transition, PSU has had two long term QBs. One has been a backup in the NFL, and the other the consensus seems will not be in the NFL. Most top teams are probably not going to stick with one QB for many years if the QB is not a primo NFL talent - or AA type college player. Not many of these coaches will support a long term QB, unless they have no choice.
Harbaugh is a good example. Several of his transfers did not get the job done, so he went to HS 5*. He played him right away in part time role as a FR. Then he needed a way to stack the deck against his long time starter, so created a fake competition with one of the weakest schedules in the country. It worked, and he was able to bench prior year starter. They are better for it even though he setup the prior year starter. That is what the coaches of most elite teams are going to do. Right now some 5* players would sit behind the less talented journeyman for FR year, but not longer. They are gone. We do not live in a world where anyone is waiting to develop. This is also probably true of most skill roles like RB and WR along with QB.
I think, at some point, there needs to be some guidelines with the transfer portal. Right now it is a free for all. Perhaps only allow one transfer without penalty (sitting for a year). After that one transfer is complete, it reverts back to the old rules that transfers have to sit a year. JT Daniels would probably disagree with me, but I feel like that would be a good staring point.
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