The B1G is stretching; it's just a matter of time. https://news.yahoo.com/big-ten-expansion-realignment-speculation-150626418.html
Sankey Needs to Have His Next Move Plotted, In Case...
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I can see a scenario where the SEC brings in all 4 North Carolina schools, both Virginia schools, GT and Miami. ESPN would have to make the payouts such that the current SEC schools would not take a cut in pay. I know that is not what most Gamecock fans want to hear. But I have a feeling that is where all this is headed.
Interesting scenario, but if we're arguing g footprints, Miami and gt bring nothing of interest to the table.
When (not if) the B1G makes it's move, the SEC will be put into a position of a counter move. Your scenario would be the most likely, as the SEC decides to lock up all southern schools in an effort to prevent the B1G from making a footprint into it's own backyard.
Assuming of course the B1G goes big and decides to pull in some of the schools you mentioned first.
Neithee do FSU and Clemson, except past greatness which is not guaranteed in the future. If the BIG is willing to add Cal and Stanford within the existing footprint, I can see the Sec taking the same route.
Miami / Ft. Lauderdale / West Palm have the 16th biggest TV Market share in the US, in addition a sizeable alumni base in that region. region. This is the reason the B1G brought in Rutgers (NY Market) and Maryland (DC Market).
It's all about TV footprint, so yes adding Miami would bring a lot of interest.
The SEC brain trust are playing the "vision" game. They see demographics and migration. Population is moving from North to South. From West to Southwest. I have neighbors who have moved from Ohio, DC, New Yok and Virginia to little ole South Carolina. I may be giving the SEC honchos more credit than they deserve. But, the more I think about it, the more I am coming to this conclusion. The SEC boys are looking past the time when most of us have taken our exit ramp in this road trip called LIFE. The BIG doing what it looks like they are going to do may just accelerate this process for the SEC.
Agreed.
But if we're choosing between fsu/clemson and miami/gt, I think only personal feelings about clemson really make that anything but a no brainer for Fsu/clemson. Imo
Miami can't even fill half their stadium. I see this as similar to the thinking that the acc bringing in bc was going to give them the Boston market.
I was waiting for this reply. This type of thinking is not considering the big picture. Should the B1G invite Miami / FSU, they now have planted the flag in the state of Florida. (In the SEC's own back yard).
I will refer back to my statement in an earlier post about a big Alumni base. Add to that the Northern transplants now living in Florida and the TV exposure is almost guaranteed.
Attendance has been in a downward trajectory for some time now, and is not quite one of the high profile measurable it once was.
These are business decisions being made while looking into the future, biases towards teams are notwithstanding.
I agree, FSU and Miami make sense for the SEC, simply to keep the Big 10 away from Florida.
The problem, imo, is the "big picture" changes. One day it's matchups, and tv viewership. The next it's physical footprint, and associated tv markets.
To be upfront, I fall in the camp of better brand/matchups, as I can't shake the acc claiming to own the NY and Boston markets.
And while I agree attendance is not the indicator it was. Imo, Miami does not suffer from that same downward trend. Their lack of support has been legendary for a lot longer than that.
I also like the idea of keeping the b10 out of the sec footprint. There are certainly some teams that we want to keep away from the b10. If I had to choose, I'd keep fsu away from them more than Miami.
None of the remaining P12 make any sense. ND could make a bit of sense but barely. They think they are Ivy League caliber academically so I seriously doubt they would even accept a bid. CU not FSU add anything as this is all about tv revenue.
not sure there’s anyone we could poach from the B10. UNC and UVA could make sense as far as adding tv sets. Economics will dictate. The economic landscape will change and stuff we cannot conceive of might be possible.
not sure there’s anyone we could poach from the B10. UNC and UVA could make sense as far as adding tv sets. Economics will dictate. The economic landscape will change and stuff we cannot conceive of might be possible.
It is never a good result when a rival/competitor creates a foothold deep within one's market.
I think you meant the B1G is the only conference in which all 14 schools have wrestling teams.
Also I think the only difference between FCS & FBS is simply football. A school is required to have a minimum stadium capacity, different for each (sub) division. And the number of football scholarships differ too.
It doesn't make sense to me that the NCAA would require a school to sponsor more team sports for a school whose football program is FBS than a school whose football team is FBS. They're all Division I.
Now I do believe there's a difference between D-I, D-II and D-III regarding numbers of teams sports, football stadium capacity, number of available athletic scholarships (zero in D-III), etc.
I'll be honest, I don't really understand the market argument. That would make more sense to me if games were still broadcast more or less regionally. But anyone anywhere can watch any game these days. I don't really see the Big 10 gaining more exposure if they were to pick up FSU.
I know there's something I'm missing with it. Say, with Texas and OU coming to the SEC. What specifically does the SEC gain with a foothold in Oklahoma?
By adding the B1G 10 Network to areas in Florida that don't carry that channel at this time.
This is the reason they added Rutgers and Maryland, to expand their own network.
Especially in a recruiting hotbed that is better than any in their current footprint.
It would make no sense if OU weren't a legacy program like few others. When you have a chance to add a program of that stature in a state contiguous to conference territory, you do it.
If you count Oklahoma and Texas, SEC would have 16 of the national championships since 2000. Amazing when you think about it.
Is this anything like Ray looking ahead in the 4th to what possible position switch in 8th?
Better chances in recruiting. That's one of the reasons they went to California and also the reason Texas to the SEC drove them so mad.
Frankly though, even if they do add FSU or Miami, I am highly skeptical that this cross country arrangement would work out for them in the long run. Even these trips to LA will get tiring sooner or later and make life difficult. Add to that Florida and maybe Oregon... doesn't seem sustainable.
Is a kid from California all-of-a-sudden gonna go to PSU just because USC and UCLA are in the Big 10 though? I'm just not sure I see it.
I agree about the logistics of the trans-continental travel arrangements.
That's debatable, but just as an example. The TE from UGA is from California went to an SEC school. Now the conversation can change to "Yes, the SEC / UGA is great, but now if you come to our B1G school, you will be on TV from literally coast to coast"
For a 17 year that is extremely appealing. Throw that argument to kids from Florida, and it's not difficult to see recruiting start to move in another direction.
This is basically why the OP of the thread stated that Sankey should consider making the first/next move
But pretty much every game is on tv coast to coast these days. Anyone anywhere in the country has access to pretty much any game. If you've got cable or or a streaming service like YouTube TV, there's a good chance got the SECN and B1GN. It's not like people in California don't currently have access to B1G games.
Not trying to being argumentative. I actually just don't get it haha...maybe I'm dumb. With all the cable/streaming options and widespread game availability, I don't really get the tv argument market.
As I've stated in previous conversations, I'd investigate getting one or both Arizona schools for precisely that reason.
But pretty much every game is on tv coast to coast these days. Anyone anywhere in the country has access to pretty much any game. If you've got cable or or a streaming service like YouTube TV, there's a good chance got the SECN and B1GN. It's not like people in California don't currently have access to B1G games.
Not trying to being argumentative. I actually just don't get it haha...maybe I'm dumb. With all the cable/streaming options and widespread game availability, I don't really get the tv argument market.
TV is one thing, but a coach telling the kid from California that he will play a game back home almost every single year he is there... I'd say that would make chosing a school on the other side of the country much more appealing.
That's a big geographical stretch. OU and UT didn't stretch that much, since there was already ATM. But Arizona is half of Texas and NM away. That would lead the SEC into the same trap that the Big 10 walked into.
I don't think a move is really needed, unless the Big 10 goes to 20 members and changes the entire landscape. I am not worried about the LA schools, on balance that arrangement brings so many headaches.... oh and what will happen to the sacred Rose Bowl?
If you want to play defense, get FSU. If you want to play offense, add UNC in the same move.
Giving up the Pacific Time Zone to the B1G, presuming the B1G's western incursion proliferates, is not desirable.
UNC wins a lot of championships to be sure, similar to UCLA. However they are mostly in sports the SEC doesn’t even sponsor, like lacrosse and field hockey. And in the one sport the SEC cares the most about they are decidely pedestrian.
Immaterial. UNC might eschew the SEC in favor of the B1G, but the SEC would grab UNC in the next round if the opportunity arose. Likely, however, the ACC tries to hang on and hopefully one day attract ND. It's all going to be tumultuous when the wheels turn again.
Look at both AZ schools, Utah and BYU. Would be great to pull 2 independents ND and BYU.