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I listened to Shane speak. I don't remember Beamer mentioning coordinator. I thought he simply said 4 SEC coaches contacted him. A big difference.
South Carolina football coach Shane Beamer gives heated defense of Dowell Loggains hire
South Carolina football coach Shane Beamer didn't hold back in his defense of offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains' at his introductory press conference
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Though Loggains declined to confirm, Beamer said his new OC turned down an SEC coordinator position after the 2021 season and was called by four different SEC programs since the 2022 regular season ended.
Sounds like one of those things that you can't prove or disprove, so you smile, nod and move on.
As my mother used to say, "If you think you've got the best question ever asked in an interview that will wow the audience, run it by somebody else first"
Gene got busy after he got back home. This was posted 12.14.
Two things stick out about the three coordinators head coach Shane Beamer had in his South Carolina football program this season:
• Quite a trio. Special teams expert Pete Lembo distinguished himself as the best in the biz, defensive coordinator Clayton White performed admirably considering all the injuries, and offensive coordinator Marcus Satterfield rallied with a pair of historically terrific gems against Tennessee and Clemson to end an 8-4 regular year.
• Satterfield, defying his own adversity and a long “fired” and “parted ways” and “contract not renewed” tradition, broke the garnet mold by bolting to Nebraska.
So Beamer, 15-10 overall on the way to the Dec. 30 Gator Bowl date with Notre Dame and 2-for-2 in beating preseason expectations, was doing well as a hiring manager.
Before Tuesday, that is.
It would be great to be proven wrong about new South Carolina offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains (last name pronounced like singer Kenny Loggins), most recently the tight ends coach for an underachieving Arkansas team.
Great, too, to come around to believing his awful record as an offensive coordinator doesn’t matter.
And to shun any concern that Kenny Loggins (who has almost as much recruiting experience) would have been an outside-the-box hire scarier to Gamecock foes than Dowell Loggains, who immediately puts the South Carolina offense in the “Danger Zone.”
It took a while for Satterfield to earn “much-maligned” status.
Loggains, officially hired Tuesday, has that baggage in his luggage.
The price of mediocrity — $1 million per year for three years for 42-year-old Loggains — is going up.
It’s not so much the hire itself, though that appears bad enough in that South Carolina fans wanted a home-run hire and got a bunt pop-up.
It’s the process.
As with Satterfield’s introduction two years ago, this indicates a fundamental failure to understand finances, football and fans.
Fans expect an SEC football program with one of the lowest paid head coaches in the conference to leverage those savings into blue-chip coordinator hires when given the precious opportunity.
It’s highly unlikely Beamer, even with a large and well-deserved raise, will jump into the top half of SEC head coach salaries.
“In my conversations with Coach (athletic director Ray) Tanner and our leadership we went through everything,” Beamer said during a press conference after he was hired in December of 2020. “We went through staff, we went through support staff. The investment has been made and given to me to give us every opportunity, every resource we need to be successful.”
Soon after, he hired Satterfield, a Carolina Panthers assistant offensive line coach, to replace holdover play-caller Mike Bobo, who left for Auburn.
Indications are Beamer had the same green light this time.
And came up with Loggains.
Does the candidate have demonstrated ability as a coordinator?
Can the candidate recruit?
For Loggains, the two answers are simple: Clearly not, and the recruiting sample size is way too small to tell.
Loggains spent 16 years in the NFL, including seven as an offensive coordinator. Here’s what happened over his last four seasons and three different stops, all including Loggains as offensive coordinator (rank in total offense among the NFL’s 32 teams):
2017 Bears – 30th
2018 Miami Dolphins – 31st
2019 New York Jets – 32nd
2020 Jets – 32nd
This isn’t just bad, it’s comically bad (though Loggains didn’t always call plays as a coordinator; he and head coach Adam Gase split duties in his last year with the Jets).
Sure, you can say Loggains was stuck on bad teams.
Or with mediocre quarterbacks such as Mitch Trubisky and Sam Darnold.
Or maybe it can be argued (and Trubisky did argue) it was the other way around.
Had Loggains been a good coordinator in the NFL — or college or junior college — he probably wouldn’t have been the tight ends coach at Arkansas until Beamer called.
Recruiting?
It’s nice that Loggains reportedly has done well on the trail at Arkansas, where he was a walk-on quarterback and earned degrees in kinesiology (2003) and education (2005). But that’s mostly on paper.
He’s been in college football only since June of 2021 and lacks a track record.
Hopefully, Beamer again gets the last laugh here.
But when signs were pointing to Loggains as the Gamecocks’ target last week, a South Carolina journalist, thinking there were better candidates out there, took to Twitter:
“Another good way to evaluate college football coordinator candidates:
How well, relative to the competition, did the candidate do in previous gigs?
Is there a several year record of demonstrated recruiting skills?”
Someone responded with a photo of Captain Obvious.
Link: https://www.postandcourier.com/spor...cle_ccb3927e-7b27-11ed-b71f-9be098d3be56.html
Two things stick out about the three coordinators head coach Shane Beamer had in his South Carolina football program this season:
• Quite a trio. Special teams expert Pete Lembo distinguished himself as the best in the biz, defensive coordinator Clayton White performed admirably considering all the injuries, and offensive coordinator Marcus Satterfield rallied with a pair of historically terrific gems against Tennessee and Clemson to end an 8-4 regular year.
• Satterfield, defying his own adversity and a long “fired” and “parted ways” and “contract not renewed” tradition, broke the garnet mold by bolting to Nebraska.
So Beamer, 15-10 overall on the way to the Dec. 30 Gator Bowl date with Notre Dame and 2-for-2 in beating preseason expectations, was doing well as a hiring manager.
Before Tuesday, that is.
It would be great to be proven wrong about new South Carolina offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains (last name pronounced like singer Kenny Loggins), most recently the tight ends coach for an underachieving Arkansas team.
Great, too, to come around to believing his awful record as an offensive coordinator doesn’t matter.
And to shun any concern that Kenny Loggins (who has almost as much recruiting experience) would have been an outside-the-box hire scarier to Gamecock foes than Dowell Loggains, who immediately puts the South Carolina offense in the “Danger Zone.”
It took a while for Satterfield to earn “much-maligned” status.
Loggains, officially hired Tuesday, has that baggage in his luggage.
The price of mediocrity — $1 million per year for three years for 42-year-old Loggains — is going up.
It’s not so much the hire itself, though that appears bad enough in that South Carolina fans wanted a home-run hire and got a bunt pop-up.
It’s the process.
As with Satterfield’s introduction two years ago, this indicates a fundamental failure to understand finances, football and fans.
Fans expect an SEC football program with one of the lowest paid head coaches in the conference to leverage those savings into blue-chip coordinator hires when given the precious opportunity.
It’s highly unlikely Beamer, even with a large and well-deserved raise, will jump into the top half of SEC head coach salaries.
“In my conversations with Coach (athletic director Ray) Tanner and our leadership we went through everything,” Beamer said during a press conference after he was hired in December of 2020. “We went through staff, we went through support staff. The investment has been made and given to me to give us every opportunity, every resource we need to be successful.”
Soon after, he hired Satterfield, a Carolina Panthers assistant offensive line coach, to replace holdover play-caller Mike Bobo, who left for Auburn.
Indications are Beamer had the same green light this time.
And came up with Loggains.
30th, 31st, 32nd
An SEC offensive coordinator candidate’s resume should answer two critical questions:Does the candidate have demonstrated ability as a coordinator?
Can the candidate recruit?
For Loggains, the two answers are simple: Clearly not, and the recruiting sample size is way too small to tell.
Loggains spent 16 years in the NFL, including seven as an offensive coordinator. Here’s what happened over his last four seasons and three different stops, all including Loggains as offensive coordinator (rank in total offense among the NFL’s 32 teams):
2017 Bears – 30th
2018 Miami Dolphins – 31st
2019 New York Jets – 32nd
2020 Jets – 32nd
This isn’t just bad, it’s comically bad (though Loggains didn’t always call plays as a coordinator; he and head coach Adam Gase split duties in his last year with the Jets).
Sure, you can say Loggains was stuck on bad teams.
Or with mediocre quarterbacks such as Mitch Trubisky and Sam Darnold.
Or maybe it can be argued (and Trubisky did argue) it was the other way around.
Recruiting factor
ESPN in 2017 ranked Loggains as the NFL’s worst play-caller, and then it got worse. He got more criticism from local media in the NFL.Had Loggains been a good coordinator in the NFL — or college or junior college — he probably wouldn’t have been the tight ends coach at Arkansas until Beamer called.
Recruiting?
It’s nice that Loggains reportedly has done well on the trail at Arkansas, where he was a walk-on quarterback and earned degrees in kinesiology (2003) and education (2005). But that’s mostly on paper.
He’s been in college football only since June of 2021 and lacks a track record.
Hopefully, Beamer again gets the last laugh here.
But when signs were pointing to Loggains as the Gamecocks’ target last week, a South Carolina journalist, thinking there were better candidates out there, took to Twitter:
“Another good way to evaluate college football coordinator candidates:
How well, relative to the competition, did the candidate do in previous gigs?
Is there a several year record of demonstrated recruiting skills?”
Someone responded with a photo of Captain Obvious.
Link: https://www.postandcourier.com/spor...cle_ccb3927e-7b27-11ed-b71f-9be098d3be56.html
I agree. Sparky seems to be in a pee pee contest with Beamer over this new OC pick.
Did Sparky go after Muschamp or the Ole Ball Coach when the offense or defense struggled for his first 3 to 4 years
Seems like there is soon axe
grinding going on here
Have we seen any scathing articles with statistical research from Sparky about a certain championship HC's judgement regarding unwarranted loyalty to a miserably under performing QB and his corresponding OC which cost his team a potential CFP berth? Seems like a ripe targetDid Sparky go after Muschamp or the Ole Ball Coach when the offense or defense struggled for his first 3 to 4 years
Seems like there is soon axe
He went after spurrier…..no one knew his name until then. He does not like us but it was funny when sos was freezing him outDid Sparky go after Muschamp or the Ole Ball Coach when the offense or defense struggled for his first 3 to 4 years
Seems like there is soon axe
I think Gene knows exactly what Beamer was saying. But if I’ve read this all correctly, I think he’s just calling out Beamer’s embellishment of the hire and stirring the pot among the fanbase a bit. I think everyone knows there is no way he got 4 OC offers. Heck, I doubt he even had the one offer. But to have 4 school reach out to him for a position coach is realistic, especially with how Arkansas turned things around 2 years ago and the position he coaches.
There was a bit of this where Coach was a little over the top on his “defense” of who he hired. Beamer should realize there is reason to be skeptical based on his past performance, even at a different level. It doesn’t feel great to come out in the introductory PC already defending your OC.
I trust Beamer. But I, like pretty much everyone, am underwhelmed with the hire. I think I’m even more surprised with the philosophy behind the hire. Ultimately that is going to be what Beamer will live or die on here at SC. The offensive philosophy. We need this one to work out.
There was a bit of this where Coach was a little over the top on his “defense” of who he hired. Beamer should realize there is reason to be skeptical based on his past performance, even at a different level. It doesn’t feel great to come out in the introductory PC already defending your OC.
I trust Beamer. But I, like pretty much everyone, am underwhelmed with the hire. I think I’m even more surprised with the philosophy behind the hire. Ultimately that is going to be what Beamer will live or die on here at SC. The offensive philosophy. We need this one to work out.
Really isn’t much to disagree with here. Even the part where Gene is hoping he’s wrong and Beamer gets the last laugh. I met Gene in Charlie MacAlexander’s Summer Broadcasting Class he taught at USC back in the late 90’s and he was a good guy. I really do believe he wants USC to do well. I think if anything, he’s just guilty of letting his inner fan bleed into the job of being a journalist. Don’t we all kind of feel like Gene? Didn’t we all call BS when Beamer was spouting off his credentials as if they were great?
You guys need to stop this crap (unless you are trying to sink the program) . He now is the OC and next year will reflect his ability
Apparently Kentucky and A&M are two schools that contacted him this year. Not that they offered, but contacted.
Get into a fight with the guy holding a pen, you’re going to lose. This is History 101.
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