Schedule Parity?

WanderingSpectator

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How is it that Ohio State and Michigan are two of the five teams (Auburn, Kentucky, UCLA) to have 8 home games this year?

Ohio State doesn’t have an away game until Oct 8th and Michigan doesn’t play a P5 non-con game this year (Colorado St, Hawaii, UConn). Unreal.
 

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How is it that Ohio State and Michigan are two of the five teams (Auburn, Kentucky, UCLA) to have 8 home games this year?

Ohio State doesn’t have an away game until Oct 8th and Michigan doesn’t play a P5 non-con game this year (Colorado St, Hawaii, UConn). Unreal.
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Gee I find that surprising! 😳
 

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It depends on how a given school wants to set up its OOC schedule. PSU has also had eight home games although it’s been awhile.
 

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How is it that Ohio State and Michigan are two of the five teams (Auburn, Kentucky, UCLA) to have 8 home games this year?

Ohio State doesn’t have an away game until Oct 8th and Michigan doesn’t play a P5 non-con game this year (Colorado St, Hawaii, UConn). Unreal.
Good scheduling. Given they get Four or Five Conf games at home, it's just a matter of good scheduling to get the OOC games at home and this year, they get these programs at home.

That said, Michigan played at UConn in 2013 (and almost lost), twice in Honolulu. The played CSU in the Holiday Bowl.
 

PSUFTG

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How is it that Ohio State and Michigan are two of the five teams (Auburn, Kentucky, UCLA) to have 8 home games this year?

Ohio State doesn’t have an away game until Oct 8th and Michigan doesn’t play a P5 non-con game this year (Colorado St, Hawaii, UConn). Unreal.
Obviously, OSU got their scheduling off cycle - and has 8 home games this year, and only 6 next year (as opposed to the more typical 7 per year, like PSU has)

That said, comparing the OOC schedules, into the foreseeable future, of Ohio State (and Michigan, and Wisconsin, etc) to Penn State's does anything but paint PSU in a favorable light.
Just looking at OSU, over the next decade:
They start a home and home with Notre Dame this year - than have Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Washington, and Oregon all in home-and-home series over the next decade. Michigan (Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, Notre Dame) and Wisconsin (Alabama, Notre Dame, Utah, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Pitt) have similar slates of OOC games
Penn State finishes the home and home with Auburn this year, and then has home and homes with P-5 programs West Virginia and Syracuse on the schedule. That's it. (Penn State does still have possible open dates in the 2029-and on time frame)
 
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Obviously, OSU got their scheduling off cycle - and has 8 home games this year, and only 6 next year (as opposed to the more typical 7 per year, like PSU has)

That said, comparing the OOC schedules, into the foreseeable future, of Ohio State (and Michigan, and Wisconsin, etc) to Penn State's does anything but paint PSU in a favorable light.
Just looking at OSU, over the next decade:
They start a home and home with Notre Dame this year - than have Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Washington, and Oregon all in home-and-home series over the next decade. Michigan (Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, Notre Dame) and Wisconsin (Alabama, Notre Dame, Utah, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Pitt) have similar slates of OOC games
Penn State finishes the home and home with Auburn this year, and then has home and homes with P-5 programs West Virginia and Syracuse on the schedule. That's it. (Penn State does still have possible open dates in the 2029-and on time frame)
Given the potential for changes in Big Ten scheduling, some of those H/H may not happen. And for the record, PSU did have Va Tech on the schedule, but cancelled due to Covid.
 

PSUFTG

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Given the potential for changes in Big Ten scheduling, some of those H/H may not happen. And for the record, PSU did have Va Tech on the schedule, but cancelled due to Covid.
Neither of which have anything to do with the schedules each of those programs have set up moving forward. But, yeah.

One of the real buggers about OOC scheduling in college football, is that so much of it is now done 6-8 years in advance (So its going to take some time for Pat Kraft to make his mark in that regard Well - I suppose he can make his mark from Day 1, but none of us will reap the benefits/drawbacks of it for several years to come).
Meanwhile, the benefits of having scheduled road games with Temple, and multiple FCS programs for pay day games (Villanova and Delaware MULTIPLE times?), along with the bottom of the FCS barrel (Umass, Nevada, Bowling Green, Marshall, San Jose State, Kent St), and home and home with de minimis P5 programs like Syracuse, will be reaped over the next several years - when the people responsible are long gone,

(Losing VaTech to COVID did stink. That was one a lot of folks were looking forward to, I think)
 
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I wonder how much of PSU's rush to lock up cupcakes had to do with money, as in these schools are in demand and the costs for payday games has been rising exponentially.

I completely agree that our future OOC schedules leave a lot to be desired. Please, no more 'Cuse. (And yes, I had nice plans for VT in 2020. Really had a good time on tap.) Penn State should only be playing at Temple if the field at Beaver Stadium is unusable. Sure, the players get a look inside an NFL facility, but what is the real impetus? Home games pay the freight, right?

Finally, I'm thinking some of these OOC games may not occur, as the costs of these contracts I believe are going to necessitate more conference games and more inventory for TV partners. Whether or not it's the high profile intersectional matchups remains to be seen. If B1G is going to 20 (or beyond), maybe OOC schedules go away? I'm sure losing payday games won't be regretted by many, including me. IMO, it's long past time they went away.
 

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A broader point on schedule parity is that the conferences all have different rules. 8 conference games vs 9. Late non-con games vs front loaded.
I suspect all this will change given the expansion plans but I’d like to see the conferences align on over-arching guidelines.
 
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How is it that Ohio State and Michigan are two of the five teams (Auburn, Kentucky, UCLA) to have 8 home games this year?

Ohio State doesn’t have an away game until Oct 8th and Michigan doesn’t play a P5 non-con game this year (Colorado St, Hawaii, UConn). Unreal.
Check out 2023 Michigan OOC schedule. This years is a juggernaut in comparison. Bowling Green, UNLV and E. Carolina.
 

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Prefer things as they are as opposed to the homogenized formula of the NFL.
 

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Obviously, OSU got their scheduling off cycle - and has 8 home games this year, and only 6 next year (as opposed to the more typical 7 per year, like PSU has)

That said, comparing the OOC schedules, into the foreseeable future, of Ohio State (and Michigan, and Wisconsin, etc) to Penn State's does anything but paint PSU in a favorable light.
Just looking at OSU, over the next decade:
They start a home and home with Notre Dame this year - than have Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Washington, and Oregon all in home-and-home series over the next decade. Michigan (Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, Notre Dame) and Wisconsin (Alabama, Notre Dame, Utah, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Pitt) have similar slates of OOC games
Penn State finishes the home and home with Auburn this year, and then has home and homes with P-5 programs West Virginia and Syracuse on the schedule. That's it. (Penn State does still have possible open dates in the 2029-and on time frame)
This all started with the introduction of the CFP. At the time, it was sold to the public under the premise that the teams would be chosen by a committee of "experts" who would do a deep dive into factors such as SOS, whether games were played at home or away, margin of victory/loss etc. (just like the selection process of the NCAA bballl tournament).

So, the B10 jumps up and goes from 8 to 9 conference games and also created a "rule" that no B10 teams could play a non P5 opponent. I believe the P12 also went to 9 conference games and the B12 also went to a full 9 game conference schedule.

Then, in 2016, it all comes to a head when PSU and Washington each finish the year with one conference loss. However, PSU also loses on the road to a respectable P5 opponent in Pitt (42-39), to give them a 11-2 record. Washington goes undefeated in their non conference schedule of Rutgers, Idaho, and Portland State. We know who was chosen as the 4th team.

So, all the initial bs about considering SOS, home or away, final scores, etc. was thrown out the window by the committee of "experts". These folks simply decided the only rules they were going to follow was the final won-loss record:

0 losses - you are in.
1 loss - you are probably in.
2 losses - you are out.

I tip my hat to those schools you mentioned above that have attractive P5 non conference opponents. As a fan, I would much rather watch PSU play a "name" P5 opponent than Delaware or Villanova. Unfortunately, there seems to be almost all risk and no reward for scheduling and losing to a P5 non conference opponent. Might as well go ahead and schedule a cupcake for the guaranteed win. Tough choice to make if you are CJF, but I can understand his position in seeing how he got burned in 2016.

In the meantime, the SEC sits back and laughs at the B10, B12, and P12 and creates their own scheduling "rules". They stay with 8 conference games and always play a conference game early in the year (the first week or two) so they can then all play cupcakes on the 3rd week in November. They were smart enough to realize a loss in the first week or two of Sept doesn't have the impact on the pollsters as does a loss in Nov. So, while all the other conferences are guaranteed to have half their teams lose on the 3rd Saturday in Nov, the SEC guarantees that all of their teams will have a win on that same day.

Its not hard to design a selection process that relies mostly on objective factors (such as winning your conference championship) instead of subjective factors such as "the eye test", but college football just can't get out of its own way on this topic along with NIL, portal, etc.
 

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We are fortunate to have 8 home games this year, although only 6 next year. Of course, we open with the #5 team in the country, and next year travel to ND, then have home-and-homes with Washington, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. So while having home games is nice, a home slate of ND, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan won't be easy.
 
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