Color me surprised.
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Scott Rolen, Hall of Famer…
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He had a good long career. I’ve seen worse. Bill James once said if you made a team out of the worst Hall of Famers at each position, you’d win 100 games every year, any year.
96 runs per 162, eight Gold Gloves, OPS .855, not too shabby. It’s not all that much of a stretch. Edit: I originally said four gold gloves.
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Effin garbage. Andruw Jones won 10 consecutive Gold Gloves at centerfield which is one of the toughest defensive positions. That alone should be enough, without even taking 434 HR into consideration.
Very good player, not a HOF’er IMO. The Hall is getting watered down.
Yes it is. There are 269 players in the Hall. There should be half that.
Rolen (who?) in and Rose out? Laughable.
Ha ha. Rolen got a special vote from the bored married suburban soccer moms hanging out at the Capitol Grill in Center City.
LOL. Scott Rolen had one season in the top 10 of the MVP vote. When did he become a HOF player?
If Bonds, Clemens, ARod are not HOF because of PED use.....why compound the problem with electing good players and pretending they were great. Ken Boyer during his prime years was a much better player all around. Ken won an MVP and finished top 10 3 other times. Geez.....
I'd rather see them elect guys like Don Mattingly, who before injured, was the face of MLB.
If Bonds, Clemens, ARod are not HOF because of PED use.....why compound the problem with electing good players and pretending they were great. Ken Boyer during his prime years was a much better player all around. Ken won an MVP and finished top 10 3 other times. Geez.....
I'd rather see them elect guys like Don Mattingly, who before injured, was the face of MLB.
The Hall of Very GoodColor me surprised.
Scott Rolen Makes Hall of Fame
"One of the best third basemen of a generation is off to Cooperstown. Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer! https://t.co/gOb58woH48" via MLB on Twitterbleacherreport.com
I wouldn't have voted for any candidate this year. If forced, I'd have voted for Helton and Jones before Rolen
I agree. Token’s best attribute seems to be good timing in a year when all real Hall candidates are embroiled in PEDS or not yet eligible.
So the WAR figures got him in. That’s where he’s in line with an average Hall player.
I know different eras and positions, but the one that really gets me is Dick Allen... head shaking omission by both writers (when eligible) and the Golden Days committee (not elected by a single vote)...
He sold me a tv at Circuit City yesterday. Who is he?Color me surprised.
Scott Rolen Makes Hall of Fame
"One of the best third basemen of a generation is off to Cooperstown. Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer! https://t.co/gOb58woH48" via MLB on Twitter
Couldn’t agree more. Rolen never lead the league in any offensive category. 2000 hits in 17 years. Solid player but HOF?
Well, those numbers also fell off a cliff abruptly. Maybe when he stopped juicing? Just sayin…
I guess he's going in for hitting into double plays with men in scoring position. Good for him.Color me surprised.
Scott Rolen Makes Hall of Fame
"One of the best third basemen of a generation is off to Cooperstown. Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer! https://t.co/gOb58woH48" via MLB on Twitter
A golden glove and an underrated bat: Here's what makes Scott Rolen a Hall of Famer
Despite his case never being a slam dunk, here are six reasons one of the best third basemen of all time is headed to Cooperstown.
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For comparison it took Jim Rice to his last year of eligibility to get in. Jim freaking Rice, the most feared hitter in the American League for a 10-12 year stretch. For that stretch hit over .300 every year except for four (lowest was .280) and more than 20 HRs every year, leading the league three times and winning an MVP. Rolen hit over .300 exactly twice in 17 years and after age 29 only had two seasons of 20 HR, one with 22 and another 20. This election is baffling. If he's in, shouldn't Fred Lynn and Don Mattingly be in too? Did anyone ever when watching him play say "yeah, that's a HOFer right there?" The answer is no. And yet he's in. SMH.Color me surprised.
Scott Rolen Makes Hall of Fame
"One of the best third basemen of a generation is off to Cooperstown. Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer! https://t.co/gOb58woH48" via MLB on Twitter
Or he got a big FA contract and decided he didn’t need the juice any more since he got paid?
Should we blame roid rage for him dragging his wife down a flight of steps on Christmas Day and choking her and telling her he was going to kill her? Or should we just assume he was a natural a hole? Maybe he was just using all the lessons Bobby Cox taught him?
Now, admittedly, none of that has any bearing on a HOF vote, but if I was a voter, you’d have a hard time convincing me he is worthy of my vote.
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How many Gold Gloves did Jim Rice win? Zero. Scott Rolen won 8. The HOF is not just about offense.
Over the years the Hall of Fame has put a great deal of weight on integrity, sportsmanship, character and overall team contributions. All good things, but to me and many other fans, writers have weaponized these specific criteria to leave out far more deserving players. HOF consideration should be based on a player’s stats, ability, longevity and number of championship rings. Scott Rolen was a dam good 3rd baseman with good stats, a team player and a great guy to have in the dugout, but is he HOF material?
How can a group of writers leave out Roger Clemens (arguably a top 5 pitcher of all time), Omar Vizquel (a tremendous talented shortstop) and Curt Schilling (Mr. Clutch! Possibly the best big game pitcher in MLB history).
JMHO
How can a group of writers leave out Roger Clemens (arguably a top 5 pitcher of all time), Omar Vizquel (a tremendous talented shortstop) and Curt Schilling (Mr. Clutch! Possibly the best big game pitcher in MLB history).
JMHO
I agree. I think Rolen’s cumulative and best-7 WAR numbers got him in. Those slant heavily toward defense and those Gold Gloves.
well if it did he made by the skinny of the chin nothing about those stats screams HOF like it does for Beltre
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Or he got a big FA contract and decided he didn’t need the juice any more since he got paid?
Should we blame roid rage for him dragging his wife down a flight of steps on Christmas Day and choking her and telling her he was going to kill her? Or should we just assume he was a natural a hole? Maybe he was just using all the lessons Bobby Cox taught him?
Now, admittedly, none of that has any bearing on a HOF vote, but if I was a voter, you’d have a hard time convincing me he is worthy of my vote.
Haha. If the baseball HOF decided at some point to take character and integrity into account when inducting new members then good for them. I applaud that. We hold these guys on a pedestal and they are paid millions of dollars and they think they are above everyone and everything else. I don’t know when we, as a society, decided that there shouldn’t be any repercussions for our actions. If the HOF wants to exclude cheaters and wife beaters then why is that a bad thing?
Problem is it's the baseball writers that vote, which is completely an outdated method.
As for the other part, if our kids are looking up to sports figures as role models, we aren't teaching them correctly. Like all of us, no one is perfect off the court, field, pitch, course, etc.
Rolen was good not great
The HOF should be reserved for bona fide giants of the game such as Rivera, Seaver, Mays, Aaron, Williams, Musial, and Schmidt (to name a few)
Pro football seems to do a better job of making their hall of fame mean something. Seldom does someone get in that was simply good for a long time
The HOF should be reserved for bona fide giants of the game such as Rivera, Seaver, Mays, Aaron, Williams, Musial, and Schmidt (to name a few)
Pro football seems to do a better job of making their hall of fame mean something. Seldom does someone get in that was simply good for a long time
The Pro Football Hall of Fame has 362 members. Its first class was inducted in 1963.
The National Baseball Hall of Fame has 341 members. Its first class was inducted in 1936.
Pro football is a relatively recent concern, when compared to professional baseball, which was around for decades before pro football was a thing.
Pro football has also upped the number of inductees each year ... starting in 2013, they haven't had less than 7 inductees per year. Most years since then it was 8. One year it was 20. Before that, it was 4-7 inductees a year ... a lot of those with 6 or 7 inductees.
Pro baseball has a much lower average number of inductees per year. After 1972, there was one year where 8 or more players were inducted. Most years it's 1-4 new inductees.
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