Serious contract question if you know - Brian, Robbie, Rick Cleveland, anybody in the know.....

[Ozarkdawg]

Does anyone actually know the process (without guessing how you think it should work)?

What was reported was Huztler's contract is 4 yr x 1M per year.
Full payout if fired for convenience.
1/2 pay out if retires or pouched (couldn't type that last bit with a straight face)
1/4 pay out if goes to SEC school
Full pay out if he leaves to be a head coach

Lebby naturally goes after / approves who he wants but he doesn't sign the contracts. He is an idiot (or at least WAY TOO trusting) if he was willing to tie himself to an unproven commodity like this though.

What exactly is the process?
Lawyers on both sides hash some things out.
Then goes to AD for his approval?
Then goes to Univ Pres for approval?
Then Board of Higher Education approves pay or just the eligibility of the hire?

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Per T&L Robbie today : if they fired him today it would be like 2 million.

 

[The Peeper]

He should be ashamed of the job he's done here thus far and just leave with the overpayment he's received

 

[Maroon13]

Per T&L Robbie today : if they fired him today it would be like 2 million.

Has Hadad set up a bake sale or garage sale for this week?

Rosebowl said we don't have the buyout.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

I'm sure they could get it if they wanted to. Nobody is getting fired. Hopefully they will buy some players with that money

 

[Bulldawg77]

Has Hadad set up a bake sale or garage sale for this week?

Rosebowl said we don't have the buyout.

Rosebowl didn’t say that, but he wouldn’t know either. This issue is their was some miss management from the former AD with the Rainy Day fund which a current AU AD damn near drained on a club sport and some other non revenue sport investment yet did zero to try to fund raise to replace said fund.
Let’s also say this though the Rainy Day fund has zero to do with any buyout or potential buyout or new hire in regards to football coaches or MBB.
Best not to take the word of rosebowl as facts regarding any monetary comments.

 

[BIGDAWG44]

Per T&L Robbie today : if they fired him today it would be like 2 million.

This is true. It’s 2.3. The issue is they want every penny for players. Instead of more buyouts. I think a decent amount of previous buyouts come off the books this year.

 

[Maroon13]

Rosebowl didn’t say that, but he wouldn’t know either. This issue is their was some miss management from the former AD with the Rainy Day fund which a current AU AD damn near drained on a club sport and some other non revenue sport investment yet did zero to try to fund raise to replace said fund.
Let’s also say this though the Rainy Day fund has zero to do with any buyout or potential buyout or new hire in regards to football coaches or MBB.
Best not to take the word of rosebowl as facts regarding any monetary comments.

Hadad said .... "Steve Robertson hinted we are out of rainy day fund....". 8th minute. Post game live show.

Maybe Steve didn't verbatim say "we don't have the buyout" but Hadad sure thought that is what Steve "hinted". As Hadad went off immediately after, speaking in hyperbole about funding raising ideas .

 

[Dogdazey]

If we don't have or can't get 2.3 million as a buy-out we have more problems than a DC in football. The longer the DC stays, the longer the rebuild takes. No defensive game changers are coming into this mess without money and apparently we don't have any.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Hadad said .... "Steve Robertson hinted we are out of rainy day fund....". 8th minute. Post game live show.

Maybe Steve didn't verbatim say "we don't have the buyout" but Hadad sure thought that is what Steve "hinted". As Hadad went off immediately after, speaking in hyperbole about funding raising ideas .

Rainy Day fund isn’t where we get money for buyouts. It’s where we save excess rev to pay for payroll in the event we had a bad year in non rev sports. Covid and then cohen recklessly spending the money on projects for non revenue sports out of the rainy day fund instead of fund raising is why that account is low.
I repeat the rainy day fund has zero to do with buyouts contracts in regards to coaches. This excuse is what’s being perpetrated by the po ol states and yes Steve and Murray and president and vice president of the po ols of MSU.

 

[Maroon13]

I repeat the rainy day fund has zero to do with buyouts contracts in regards to coaches. This excuse is what’s being perpetrated by the po ol states and yes Steve and Murray and president and vice president of the po ols of MSU.

Are you saying that these people are pushing out excuses in order to keep Hutzler?

 

[Maroon13]

Double post

 

[OG Goat Holder]

then cohen recklessly spending the money on projects for non revenue sports out of the rainy day fund instead of fund raising is why that account is low.

Wow, such idiocy

Just....wow

 

[Bulldawg77]

Are you saying that these people are pushing out excuses in order to keep Hutzler?

No im saying we aren’t broke like some are trying to insinuate. Money won’t be the problem

 

[Seinfeld]

Has Hadad set up a bake sale or garage sale for this week?

Rosebowl said we don't have the buyout.

So to recap…

1) Our offense-minded HC hired a guy with zero experience as a coordinator to be an SEC DC

2) We gave said unproven coach a contract @ $1M/season

3) We gave this unproven coach $1M/season knowing that we couldn’t afford the buyout if things didn’t work out

I tell ya guys, this is absolutely top notch management of an athletic department

 

[BIGDAWG44]

Rainy Day fund isn’t where we get money for buyouts. It’s where we save excess rev to pay for payroll in the event we had a bad year in non rev sports. Covid and then cohen recklessly spending the money on projects for non revenue sports out of the rainy day fund instead of fund raising is why that account is low.
I repeat the rainy day fund has zero to do with buyouts contracts in regards to coaches. This excuse is what’s being perpetrated by the po ol states and yes Steve and Murray and president and vice president of the po ols of MSU.

You are spot on with everything I have heard.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Wow, such idiocy

Just....wow

You can disagree with me but it the truth Goat. Cohen used funds to support his beloved baseball and other non revenue sports out of the fund then add in the Covid year and you can see why we went from a surplus to a deficit in that fund.
I really struggle with your takes on JC he was unqualified for the job and wasn’t begged to stay here. You want to bring up Leach and cohen well here’s news for you. Cohen didn’t reach out to leach. He was 24hrs from hiring Joe Judge to replace Moorhead, oh and who by the way Cohen hired and fired, before Leach fell in our lap. Let’s just say JC and Leach didn’t see eye to eye either.
This doesn’t even touch how he miss managed Schafer along with neglecting both gameday operations and lack of resources put into DWS. Let’s not even discuss how he put zero resources into NIL other than the now defunct legacy group that promised 5K to the baseball players…. We could talk about his short cuts on the hump and that disaster he left for us to clean up…

Unpopular take here and on other boards. Cohen left such a mess followed by Braky not doing a Damn thing for three months that Selmon has to start at ground zero within the AD. It’s taking him this long to get some projects off the ground but things are moving forward and in a better direction than the 6 years cohen was here.

The lack of knowledge and sources you bring to the board is foolish and dangerous. Either talk to the right people or stop posting nonsense Goat

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You can disagree with me but it the truth Goat. Cohen used funds to support his beloved baseball and other non revenue sports out of the fund then add in the Covid year and you can see why we went from a surplus to a deficit in that fund.
I really struggle with your takes on JC he was unqualified for the job and wasn’t begged to stay here. You want to bring up Leach and cohen well here’s news for you. Cohen didn’t reach out to leach. He was 24hrs from hiring Joe Judge to replace Moorhead, oh and who by the way Cohen hired and fired, before Leach fell in our lap. Let’s just say JC and Leach didn’t see eye to eye either.
This doesn’t even touch how he miss managed Schafer along with neglecting both gameday operations and lack of resources put into DWS. Let’s not even discuss how he put zero resources into NIL other than the now defunct legacy group that promised 5K to the baseball players…. We could talk about his short cuts on the hump and that disaster he left for us to clean up…

Unpopular take here and on other boards. Cohen left such a mess followed by Braky not doing a Damn thing for three months that Selmon has to start at ground zero within the AD. It’s taking him this long to get some projects off the ground but things are moving forward and in a better direction than the 6 years cohen was here.

The lack of knowledge and sources you bring to the board is foolish and dangerous. Either talk to the right people or stop posting nonsense Goat

Sometime in 2022, I got tired of lapping up the bullshlt. Seeing the way Cohen and Leach were treated for doing things differently opened my eyes to our administration and fanbase.

I can refute all your points, some a lot and some a little, but I don't see any reason. You are unreasonable, but you're just another cog in the machine that we've been running for years and years and years. None of it matters anymore, we are where we are right now, and it's a very bad spot (as far as competition with our peers). As far as the university itself and money, we're OK, just glad to be in the SEC where we print it, and it doesn't matter if we finish 16th. I do hope we get a competent AD in here soon. I'm hoping Salmon will be successful in his, uh, recent 'endeavors'.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Has Hadad set up a bake sale or garage sale for this week?

Rosebowl said we don't have the buyout.

I think Hadad is planning to put out a swimsuit calendar to raise funds.****

 

[johnson86-1]

Does anyone actually know the process (without guessing how you think it should work)?

What was reported was Huztler's contract is 4 yr x 1M per year.
Full payout if fired for convenience.
1/2 pay out if retires or pouched (couldn't type that last bit with a straight face)
1/4 pay out if goes to SEC school
Full pay out if he leaves to be a head coach

Lebby naturally goes after / approves who he wants but he doesn't sign the contracts. He is an idiot (or at least WAY TOO trusting) if he was willing to tie himself to an unproven commodity like this though.

What exactly is the process?
Lawyers on both sides hash some things out.
Then goes to AD for his approval?
Then goes to Univ Pres for approval?
Then Board of Higher Education approves pay or just the eligibility of the hire?

The stuff in bold is almost certainly incorrect, unless we had people on state's payroll taking bribes to make ridiculous contracts.

It does appear we pay him his full base if we fire him without cause ("cause" being something more than just sucking at his job). While there is reporting out there claiming we will still pay him if he leaves for another job, it's also being reported (presumably correctly) that the buyout percentages for when he leaves are the buyout amount he pays to MSU if he terminates the contract to take another job. What I say ways he pays us 50% of the remaining contract base if he retires or goes to work for another school; he pays 75% of the base pay remaining if it's another SEC school. But there is zero buyout if he takes a head coaching job. That makes sense. He basically has to get double his pay from another SEC school before he breaks even. If he gets a head coach job, that's the normal progression a football coach wants to take, so not requiring a buyout for that presumably lowers the cost we have to pay and also makes it a more desirable job. Pretty sure that's a pretty standard approach, because worrying about Hutzler leaving for a head coaching job seems like a hilarious concern now.

 

[GloryDawg]

Wow, such idiocy

Just....wow

He did give us cheap hot dogs and drinks.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Sometime in 2022, I got tired of lapping up the bullshlt. Seeing the way Cohen and Leach were treated for doing things differently opened my eyes to our administration and fanbase.

I can refute all your points, some a lot and some a little, but I don't see any reason. You are unreasonable, but you're just another cog in the machine that we've been running for years and years and years. None of it matters anymore, we are where we are right now, and it's a very bad spot (as far as competition with our peers). As far as the university itself and money, we're OK, just glad to be in the SEC where we print it, and it doesn't matter if we finish 16th. I do hope we get a competent AD in here soon. I'm hoping Salmon will be successful in his, uh, recent 'endeavors'.

I am anything but a cog in the wheel. The reason we are in the place we are in now isn’t and shouldn’t be laid at the feet of Selman and Lebby. What you’re seeing is poor management of a previous AD, lack of recruiting on the OL and DL by leach staff and followed up with Arnetts staff. What some of you and others don’t understand is that we are trying to change the culture of not only the football program but the entire Athletic department as well.
You can refute all you want to but it won’t be based in facts. John Cohen and the way he and his staff handled the AD from 16-22 is almost criminal. You can hate on Selman, you can hate on Lebby that’s your opinion but what they and Charlie are doing is bringing us out of a retched situation and into the world of modern college athletics in the P4. Most don’t truly understand how bad this AD department was ran before Selman took over.

 

[Ozarkdawg]

The stuff in bold is almost certainly incorrect, unless we had people on state's payroll taking bribes to make ridiculous contracts.

It does appear we pay him his full base if we fire him without cause ("cause" being something more than just sucking at his job). While there is reporting out there claiming we will still pay him if he leaves for another job, it's also being reported (presumably correctly) that the buyout percentages for when he leaves are the buyout amount he pays to MSU if he terminates the contract to take another job. What I say ways he pays us 50% of the remaining contract base if he retires or goes to work for another school; he pays 75% of the base pay remaining if it's another SEC school. But there is zero buyout if he takes a head coaching job. That makes sense. He basically has to get double his pay from another SEC school before he breaks even. If he gets a head coach job, that's the normal progression a football coach wants to take, so not requiring a buyout for that presumably lowers the cost we have to pay and also makes it a more desirable job. Pretty sure that's a pretty standard approach, because worrying about Hutzler leaving for a head coaching job seems like a hilarious concern now.

That would make sense, just not what the DJ reported. But if the DJ reports as well as WTVA, who knows what the facts are.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I am anything but a cog in the wheel. The reason we are in the place we are in now isn’t and shouldn’t be laid at the feet of Selman and Lebby. What you’re seeing is poor management of a previous AD, lack of recruiting on the OL and DL by leach staff and followed up with Arnetts staff. What some of you and others don’t understand is that we are trying to change the culture of not only the football program but the entire Athletic department as well.
You can refute all you want to but it won’t be based in facts. John Cohen and the way he and his staff handled the AD from 16-22 is almost criminal. You can hate on Selman, you can hate on Lebby that’s your opinion but what they and Charlie are doing is bringing us out of a retched situation and into the world of modern college athletics in the P4. Most don’t truly understand how bad this AD department was ran before Selman took over.

Answer this: Do you think Selmon wants to be at MSU? The answer to this is easy, if you are IN ANY WAY in the know.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I am anything but a cog in the wheel. The reason we are in the place we are in now isn’t and shouldn’t be laid at the feet of Selman and Lebby. What you’re seeing is poor management of a previous AD, lack of recruiting on the OL and DL by leach staff and followed up with Arnetts staff. What some of you and others don’t understand is that we are trying to change the culture of not only the football program but the entire Athletic department as well.
You can refute all you want to but it won’t be based in facts. John Cohen and the way he and his staff handled the AD from 16-22 is almost criminal. You can hate on Selman, you can hate on Lebby that’s your opinion but what they and Charlie are doing is bringing us out of a retched situation and into the world of modern college athletics in the P4. Most don’t truly understand how bad this AD department was ran before Selman took over.

What does the hiring of Hutzler have to do with John Cohen? Selmon or someone who works for him signed off on that contract.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Answer this: Do you think Selmon wants to be at MSU? The answer to this is easy, if you are IN ANY WAY in the know.

Well since he and his family just built and moved into a brand new home in… wait for it… Starkville MS. Then yes. And this idea that he has pursued other jobs is an internet rumor that like a lot of rumors you tend to run with. There are only a few jobs he would leave for. He’s not out interviewing every week like some people want you to believe. Those that are starting those things are the ones not happy about this change he and his people are implementing. The negativity is coming from the po OLs who don’t have there say so anymore and those that say that’s not the way we have done it in the past.

 

[Bulldawg77]

What does the hiring of Hutzler have to do with John Cohen? Selmon or someone who works for him signed off on that contract.

Cohen emptied the rainy day fund. Some are Saying that we don’t have the funds to buyout Hutz because of the fund being depleted.
We have the money To pay off Hutz when that time comes.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]