Should Franklin split the OL coaching responsibilities like JoePa did?
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I would be totally against that. That always seemed stupid to me. you want the OL operating as a unit, with one voice so to speak. So having 2 guys and 2 different voices just seems to mess things up. Now go and look at how staffs are divided. Back in that day, many did what Joe did and had 2 guys, but since then go look up some staffs and see how many are doing that today, not many.
I hate focusing on position coaches as it minimizes the influence and input of the head coach. They're only running and implementing what the head coach wants. I've stated on many occasions I think this offense has a structural flaw that limits play calling and the number of items a defense needs to identify and worry about on each play.
No.
Despite all the muscleheaded justifications given on the board at the time, the reality is that it was the WORST THING EVER.
Not to mention that poster may be the only one who thought that at the time.
If Franklin divided responsibilities of the OL between coaches....that would be the subject of a thread......why is Franklin dividing responsibilities among coaches for the OL and is that the reason we suck? LOL LOL LOL
This is MY's offense. Currently fanboys are reluctant to nail him.....why I don't know.....as nothing makes posters here moist between the legs like criticizing and hoping to fire coaches. But, simply put, MY has not produced as advertised. Hope it begins Saturday.
Disagree. Outside of the Illinois game and I have no idea what was going on in that crap fest. I think he’s done a very good job so far. He’s scheming around a woeful rushing game and he’s getting his players into space to make plays. This is the best version of Clifford I’ve seen.
the one criticism I have is he seems to forget about the TE’s at times.
When asked about the lack of run game in all of the interviews that Franklin has given in the past couple of weeks, he's emphasized that the TE room needs to block better. I presume that Tyler Bowen may have been a loss that's been overlooked around here.
Why is he scheming around a woeful running game and not accountable for said crappy running game? He is the OC. I seem to recall an OC that was pretty accomplished here that was blamed for costing Barkley the Heisman with his running schemes. Back to my premise......why is MY the Teflon don?
The loyal fans rejoiced when RR was gone.....KC was the second coming.......same loyal fans rejoiced when KC was canned and wonderkid MY was hired. I'm having trouble seeing the progress.
Would PF be the player PF is without Bowen as a coach? UM thinks he's an NFL caliber coach. See, I can play too.
So you're saying the coaches should get no credit when a player like PF plays really well in college?
Fanboys give coaches too much blame and too much credit. Athletes still play the game.
I'm sure they are, But we aren't in a position to judge. Just as one tight end might be better at blocking than another. The players and coaches have changed. You are professing it is the coaching. That's merely your opinion. You know what they say about opinions.
I'm not professing anything. That's your job around here. I've never got into it with anything on either site but here's a
PRO TIP: If you log into this site every day to try to win the crusade against talking about coaches, you're not going to ever make it stop and it's wasted time. ✌
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Kenny was there because he was Jay 's buddy the only reason . Dick Anderson was good coach
A very big loss but I don't think he was overlooked from this group, I think we all knew how good he was and I wanted him as OC over Rahne.
Well thanks for finally revealing your true fanboy self. You may have a gripe but its not with what I said.
So why aren't you blaming Franklin, Traut, Howle or even, gasp, Seider for the woeful run game and the RB room?
Hmmm. Plenty of blame to go around there.
Don't even attempt to lump me in with your vendetta of posters that want coaches fired, you know better than that.
I do find it interesting however that you didn't mention anything at all about this being the best version of Clifford and his actual scheming of plays for guys like Dotson. Hmmm. Maybe the nuance escaped you.
I'm going to leave it at that and just assume you are having a bad day.
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I feel the same way about MY as I did the guy last year - he simply hasn't had enough time to draw a conclusion, and the guy last year didn't even get a spring and summer session.
Joe's coaching approach kinda makes sense if you primarily think of TE's as quasi-OL men and secondarily as receivers. It's not possible for an OL coach to instruct 5 OL positional players and 2 TE's; hence the division of responsibilities.
The formal OL + TE's requires 2 coaches. How you divide their responsibilities is important. It appears that trying to coach 5 positional players has been to much responsibility for all of Franklin's OL coaches.
The formal OL + TE's requires 2 coaches. How you divide their responsibilities is important. It appears that trying to coach 5 positional players has been to much responsibility for all of Franklin's OL coaches.
I agree with this, except the comment about fanboys, that part is between you and the other posters. There are lots of different ways to coach and play a position, and every philosophy has a trade off.
I think Clifford is playing well. I'd give MY credit there. However, the offense is mediocre at best. At this point, I don't think you can give high grades to any offensive position coaches. But MY came with such fanfare.....and while I hope it all changes Saturday..... I see nothing that makes him special to date.Well thanks for finally revealing your true fanboy self. You may have a gripe but its not with what I said.
So why aren't you blaming Franklin, Traut, Howle or even, gasp, Seider for the woeful run game and the RB room?
Hmmm. Plenty of blame to go around there.
Don't even attempt to lump me in with your vendetta of posters that want coaches fired, you know better than that.
I do find it interesting however that you didn't mention anything at all about this being the best version of Clifford and his actual scheming of plays for guys like Dotson. Hmmm. Maybe the nuance escaped you.
I'm going to leave it at that and just assume you are having a bad day.
Trautwein was another coach that fanboys got all silly about......consensus was good riddance to Limegrover. I don't see much difference.
You can't make chicken salad without chicken. Good coaching can make a difference.....but the players need to execute.
Well, I am a PSU fan.....so I want to be optimistic about MY. But he did have spring and a normal off season. I can't believe that if the stats to date were revealed to us when MY was hired, that most would not have been disappointed.
Help me with the "nuances." I love to learn about the game.Well thanks for finally revealing your true fanboy self. You may have a gripe but its not with what I said.
So why aren't you blaming Franklin, Traut, Howle or even, gasp, Seider for the woeful run game and the RB room?
Hmmm. Plenty of blame to go around there.
Don't even attempt to lump me in with your vendetta of posters that want coaches fired, you know better than that.
I do find it interesting however that you didn't mention anything at all about this being the best version of Clifford and his actual scheming of plays for guys like Dotson. Hmmm. Maybe the nuance escaped you.
I'm going to leave it at that and just assume you are having a bad day.
My wife lost a baby at about 6 months (our first pregnancy) and it was a girl. I don't recall ever posting that, although I may have. We lost her the day that the USA Hockey team beat the USSR. She would be 42 in February. My wife and I had a rare conversation about that a few days before she passed and she was at peace with what transpired. She told me that she realized that had this child lived that we would not have had our first born (a son) and I never had thought of it that way. I miss so many things that my wife did.....a simple hug, grabbing my hand but more than anything how she could make sense out of chaos .
So you’re admitting that it might be “Franklin’s System”. Despite your age, you’re apparently capable of learning.
I don't really consider spring and summer constitute a lot of time. Any coach, if he actually designs plays instead of simply selecting them, also needs players who's strengths mesh with his system. MY doesn't have a single recruiting class tailored to his system's needs, and neither did the last guy. The offensive coordinators before them didn't get to see their recruits make it to any kind of upperclassmen status. Hopefully this revolving door of offensive coordinators comes to a stop. At some point you have to just pick someone and give it time.
That's beautiful marshall. It sounds like your wife loved where she was at in life, and because of it regretted very little if anything that got her to that point. That's great of her, and also a testament to how special you and your family were to her.
I have never been very good with seeing the "next act" in life. I took each stage sort of "staying in the moment." My wife had great perspective. She was the agenda setter, told me when and where we were going and I just drove the car. LOL. I am most thankful that we were able to work things out that she could be a "stay at home Mom." We have two well adjusted, successful sons and this is a tribute to her. I fell in love with her at age 12 (I know that's hard to believe) and there was never anyone else. Sadly I lost her 12 years 1 month and 1 day ago.
If it brings the success of those lines and you could actually run the Football, hell yes I'm all for it..
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