Should we pay more NIL to keep Antwane?

[18IsTheMan]

Seeing more reports on Twitter than Antwane wanted more NIL to stay. Supposedly Beamer rebuffed his request (not sure what role the HC can really have with NIL stuff). In any event, either his request was denied by someone or he didn't get as much as he wanted. Pretty ballsy move when you only played a few snaps all season long.

That said, if we're in the NIL game, shouldn't we pay up to keep him?

 

[Evilchicken]

The real question is, could we afford it?

 

[Viennacock]

No!

 

[92Pony]

I'm going to kinda lean toward No. That would set a bad precedent (maybe foolishly assuming that precedent isn't already set).

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm going to kinda lean toward No. That would set a bad precedent (maybe foolishly assuming that precedent isn't already set).

If you paid up to get him, what's wrong with paying up to keep him? You're either paying to keep the guys you have or paying to get new guys, right?

 

[92Pony]

If you paid up to get him, what's wrong with paying up to keep him? You're either paying to keep the guys you have or paying to get new guys, right?

True, but it just feels like rewarding bad behavior.... Which I guess is what a lot of recruiting is anyway.

 

[Gradstudent]

I just pointed out in the KJ Jefferson thread, the real question is how much does KJ cost, he may cost $2 to $3 million, and we probably have bigger needs

Matt Rhule of Nebraska was just quoted the other day:

"Make no mistake that a good quarterback in the portal costs a million to $1.5 million to $2 million right now," Rhule told reporters. "Just so we’re on the same page. Let’s make sure we all understand what’s happening. There’s some teams that have $6 or $7 million players playing for them."

For Wells, I think it would be important to know how much or how much more he wanted?

 

[18IsTheMan]

I just pointed out in the KJ Jefferson thread, the real question is how much does KJ cost, he may cost $2 to $3 million, and we probably have bigger needs

Matt Rhule of Nebraska was just quoted the other day:

"Make no mistake that a good quarterback in the portal costs a million to $1.5 million to $2 million right now," Rhule told reporters. "Just so we’re on the same page. Let’s make sure we all understand what’s happening. There’s some teams that have $6 or $7 million players playing for them."

For Wells, I think it would be important to know how much or how much more he wanted?

If Jefferson was the difference in us making the playoffs, maybe he's worth that much (and I hate NIL so much I can barely get that out without vomiting). But he's not. MAYBE he would be the difference in us being bowl eligible? Is that worth 7 figures?

 

[Lurker123]

And if we can get two lower level players for the price of Wells, is it worth it?

Brings back the debatebif havingbthe money spread out amongst some OL players

 

[Gradstudent]

And if we can get two lower level players for the price of Wells, is it worth it?

Brings back the debatebif havingbthe money spread out amongst some OL players

Same discussions like pro teams, I do like how the Lions did it, building the trenches then skill positions and making a QB like Goff then look better, LOL

 

[Gamecock Lincoln]

Absolutely not. If the rumor is true that he was cleared to play the clemsun game and chose not to, what does that say. If you paid to keep him, how many games before he checks out to get ready for the NFL. He was a horrible return on investment this past season. Time to invest elsewhere.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Absolutely not. If the rumor is true that he was cleared to play the clemsun game and chose not to, what does that say. If you paid to keep him, how many games before he checks out to get ready for the NFL. He was a horrible return on investment this past season. Time to invest elsewhere.

It's rumored he was physically cleared much earlier than the Clemson game.

 

[Prestonyte]

If Jefferson was the difference in us making the playoffs, maybe he's worth that much (and I hate NIL so much I can barely get that out without vomiting). But he's not. MAYBE he would be the difference in us being bowl eligible? Is that worth 7 figures?

Jefferson has had ample opportunity at Arky to deliver significant win totals but has not, so what makes him high priority and worth big NIL bucks?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Jefferson has had ample opportunity at Arky to deliver significant win totals but has not, so what makes him high priority and worth big NIL bucks?

He's not a priority to me, but some seem to think we need to go all in. I said in another thread, maybe his experience is the difference in us getting 6-7 wins as opposed to 5-6 wins.

Prior to it being rumored that he might enter the portal and that we were a potential landing spot, not one poster here had said QB was a portal need for us.

 

[Deleted11512]

Jefferson has had ample opportunity at Arky to deliver significant win totals but has not, so what makes him high priority and worth big NIL bucks?

You could say the same for Ratt. KJ did have better numbers his first two years and more wins than Ratt had his 2 years here.

 

[adcoop]

No. Juice will find out that you don't re-negotiate coming off an injury even in the NFL. You have to prove it all over. Who knows how his foot will respond. If he wanted a raise, what he needed to do was come back for the last couple of games and ball out. This is sounding like a guy that thinks we are desperate and can squeeze us for anything. You can't have that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

No. Juice will find out that you don't re-negotiate coming off an injury even in the NFL. You have to prove it all over. Who knows how his foot will respond. If he wanted a raise, what he needed to do was come back for the last couple of games and ball out. This is sounding like a guy that thinks we are desperate and can squeeze us for anything. You can't have that.

I'll be curious to see where he lands and for what kind of NIL money. There are receivers in the portal right now, and there will be a ton more on Monday, who actually played and produced last season.

If I'm a prospective team, there are 2 possible scenarios with Antwane from this past season:
1, He really was injured to the extent that he could not come back and play. This would raise red flags about how his body will respond next season.
2. He was physically healthy but chose to sit on his team. Why would you want a guy like that on you roster?

 

[RUMMENIGGE]

NOT ANOTHER PENNY SHOULD BE GIVEN! No players should be holding a gun to South Carolina's head demanding a ransom. Need more players like Mario Andretti Anderson who appreciates the opportunity to play at South Carolina and not create drama.

 

[Deleted11512]

NOT ANOTHER PENNY SHOULD BE GIVEN! No players should be holding a gun to South Carolina's head demanding a ransom. Need more players like Mario Andretti Anderson who appreciates the opportunity to play at South Carolina and not create drama.

Who is creating drama? Juice hasn't said a word. All this drama is from someone on the internet trying to break a story.

 

[KingWard]

I just pointed out in the KJ Jefferson thread, the real question is how much does KJ cost, he may cost $2 to $3 million, and we probably have bigger needs

Matt Rhule of Nebraska was just quoted the other day:

"Make no mistake that a good quarterback in the portal costs a million to $1.5 million to $2 million right now," Rhule told reporters. "Just so we’re on the same page. Let’s make sure we all understand what’s happening. There’s some teams that have $6 or $7 million players playing for them."

For Wells, I think it would be important to know how much or how much more he wanted?

See, that's the problem I have with NIL discussions. When people say a player might receive $2 to $3 million, who is actually paying the money out - and for what? NIL is supposed to indicate that the player is providing businesses or organizations, or some kind of entities something other than simply playing. The people for whom the player "works" then pay him/her the money.

Do we actually have that many players doing commercials or making personal appearances or endorsing products on the internet to thousands of followers? And where do these big dollar amounts come from? Does someone actually audit what is being paid and is there ever a report published? To me, it's more nebulous than cryptocurrency.

 

[RUMMENIGGE]

Who is creating drama? Juice hasn't said a word. All this drama is from someone on the internet trying to break a story.

My fault.

 

[18IsTheMan]

See, that's the problem I have with NIL discussions. When people say a player might receive $2 to $3 million, who is actually paying the money out - and for what? NIL is supposed to indicate that the player is providing businesses or organizations, or some kind of entities something other than simply playing. The people for whom the player "works" then pay him/her the money.

Do we actually have that many players doing commercials or making personal appearances or endorsing products on the internet to thousands of followers? And where do these big dollar amounts come from? Does someone actually audit what is being paid and is there ever a report published? To me, it's more nebulous than cryptocurrency.

It raises the question of whether NIL is the problem or if collectives are the problem. Or both.

 

[KingWard]

It raises the question of whether NIL is the problem or if collectives are the problem. Or both.

Collectives are the problem. They have degenerated into slush funds to pay players. That was not the original NIL concept. Even professional athletes work their own NIL deals through their agents. This new animal that has emerged is going to eat college athletics alive. Time for me to find a Div. 2 team to pull for.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Collectives are the problem. They have degenerated into slush funds to pay players. That was not the original NIL concept. Even professional athletes work their own NIL deals through their agents. This new animal that has emerged is going to eat college athletics alive. Time for me to find a Div. 2 team to pull for.

Though collectives were not necessarily the intent, no guardrails were put up to stop it, so we all immediately saw this as the eventual outcome once NIL was announced. Once again, the talking head automatons tell us NIL is wonderful. It baffles me that someone like Kirk Herbstreit who came up in the game and presumably loves it can sit and advocate for the changes that are destroying the sport. As long his paycheck is deposited, though, I doubt he cares.

 

[Sweetwatergolf]

Absolutely not. If the rumor is true that he was cleared to play the clemsun game and chose not to, what does that say. If you paid to keep him, how many games before he checks out to get ready for the NFL. He was a horrible return on investment this past season. Time to invest elsewhere.

IMO, business people with $ to make a difference in NIL contributions will want a return for their investment. Players who can depart anytime AND still take their $ makes a smart business person really think before donating.

 

[Flaglergc15]

To me it all depends on how much he was making in NIL funds. If he was making FMV for a top 5-10 WR in the SEC….then no we shouldn’t give him more. I think we have other needs on this team and can use funds to get 2-3 other WRs who individually might not be as talented as Juice, but collectively could be a better receiving unit than if we have 1 star WR without a supporting cast.

 

[mUSiC-man]

IMO, business people with $ to make a difference in NIL contributions will want a return for their investment. Players who can depart anytime AND still take their $ makes a smart business person really think before donating.

They may think if their team wins it will be enough return on their investment. Who knows.

 

[Spot The Ball]

Seeing more reports on Twitter than Antwane wanted more NIL to stay. Supposedly Beamer rebuffed his request (not sure what role the HC can really have with NIL stuff). In any event, either his request was denied by someone or he didn't get as much as he wanted. Pretty ballsy move when you only played a few snaps all season long.

That said, if we're in the NIL game, shouldn't we pay up to keep him?

Can the NIL program afford to pay each player more at their request.

 

[Forkcock]

If my company paid me my salary all year while I sat home sick all year. You think I could pressure them into a raise by threatening to take a job with another company?

 

[Tngamecock]

No!

Agree…F no

 

[Tngamecock]

You could say the same for Ratt. KJ did have better numbers his first two years and more wins than Ratt had his 2 years here.

If KJ can’t win at Arkansas he ain’t winning here next year. Bring on Sellars

 

[Tngamecock]

No. Juice will find out that you don't re-negotiate coming off an injury even in the NFL. You have to prove it all over. Who knows how his foot will respond. If he wanted a raise, what he needed to do was come back for the last couple of games and ball out. This is sounding like a guy that thinks we are desperate and can squeeze us for anything. You can't have that.

Right….. I highly doubt the locker room would take kindly to someone who bailed on them the year before. I know as a teammate I would probably punch him in the mouth.

 

[Tngamecock]

If my company paid me my salary all year while I sat home sick all year. You think I could pressure them into a raise by threatening to take a job with another company?

Correct. And your coworkers would hate you for being paid for nothing.

 

[Forkcock]

75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy 5 years after retirement.

These kids are in for a big shock in a few years. A kid like Joyner will be able to use his connections with Carolina people to get a real world job. Guys like Wells won’t.

 

[ToddFlanders]

No way you try and keep him. Clearly a bad teammate and would be a locker room cancer if he stayed. (And was probably a cancer last season.)