So, apparently we have three damn good recruiters on our baseball payroll.....

[Goat Holder]

who just happen to be pretty damn good coaches too. Not to mention they are hungry. Seriously, I think these guys can probably win it all. Recruiting against us just became a pretty tall task for our SEC brethren, especially the ones close by.

 

[Goat Holder]

who just happen to be pretty damn good coaches too. Not to mention they are hungry. Seriously, I think these guys can probably win it all. Recruiting against us just became a pretty tall task for our SEC brethren, especially the ones close by.

 

[TR.sixpack]

Which should help close/reverse the in-state recruiting gap with Ole Miss.

 

[olemissbydamn]

This isn't SEC football. We go head to head only for a few prospects. In our last class only Kyle Thorton was also offered by MSU.

 

[8dog]

which is what makes the scholarship arguments so ridiculous. Its not like we go head to head against Georgia for a ton of guys.

Of course, Polk was so convinced we couldn't recruit in Georgia that we just quit. He basically quit recruiting any lottery state. What a joke.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

as a group, they have coaching and recruiting experience in MS, LA, AL, FL, GA, KS, and KY.

 

[Goat Holder]

recruiting against Polk. Not necessarily going head to head, but having Polk lay back and do nothing ie expecting recruits to come to him, while Bianco went to the recruits. That day is gone.

 

[ole miss drunk]

Which should help close/reverse the in-state recruiting gap with Ole Miss.

In-state recruiting in baseball isn't a very big deal as MS isn't exactly loaded with prospects. The real question is will this change the battle for Memphis players? Although the last couple of years have been a downer for Memphis prospects it is traditionally a strong area and OM has had a stranglehold on it lately.</p>

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[rebel law]

Put it this way.....we just signed arguably our best class on paper in the last 8 years. It had ONE player from Mississippi in it. Bianco and Cohen both recruit nationally. We will definitely bump heads on one or two instate prospects a year but Bianco is going to get most of who he wants just like Cohen will. It is going to be a great matchup. I think you are going to be pretty disappointed if you honestly think that our baseball program is about to just fold up shop.</p>

 

[8dog]

Im gonna be honest, every class bianco signs is alwasy touted as his best. Perfect Game currently disagrees and has it ranked around 39.

But I don't know how valid that ranking is. I know State is 61 and that's probably pretty accurate. I know KY is around 14 or 15 and that's probably pretty accurate.

I'll admit, I was glad to see Basham return. That slows the development of Hightower and makes it more likely for him to be a Craig Tatum-like situation if he is all he is hyped.

 

[Goat Holder]

but you won't be the main story in the springtime Clarion Ledgers any more. It won't get easier, put it that way. I still say Ole Miss will never get a shot like 2005 again. It was your version of our 1985. Ironically and unluckily, both teams ran up against Texas.

 

[rebel law]

Our last two years have been below par. I am just going by the offer lists on this class, which is pretty damn impressive across the board.

 

[MSUCE99]

I think you are going to be pretty disappointed if you honestly think that our baseball program is about to just fold up shop.

I don't think anyone expects Ole Miss baseball to fold up shop. I would expect, though, that many Ole Miss baseball fans are now feeling about how we felt after the football season when y'all hired Nutt...

"OK, funtime is over, time to get serious."

Nutt is less of a buffoon that O was, and I expect that Cohen will be similarly more challenging to Bianco than Polk was.

 

[rebel law]

I agree 2005 was probably our best shot. That team was built under great conditions. We had Polk and Raffo dicking around at MSU, not offering the Stephen Head's and Cozart's of the world. We had Stuart Lake (now a HC) and McDonnell (now a HC with Omaha on his resume) on our staff recruiting and helping Bianco manage a game.

 

[rebel law]

There is no doubt that MSU baseball just got alot better. I am just of the belief that baseball is the one sport where there can be 2 solid SEC programs in Mississippi at the same time.

 

[8dog]

that one of those classes, the one signed in the fall of 05, was signed by McDonnell.

 

[patdog]

There is no doubt that MSU baseball just got alot better. I am just of the belief that baseball is the one sport where there can be 2 solid SEC programs in Mississippi at the same time.

I see no reason that MSU and UM couldn't both play in Omaha the same year and I think they probably will both be in super regionals the same year at some point.</p>

 

[Duane Chapman]

and I think they probably will both be in super regionals the same year at some point

Like last year?

 

[BriantheDawg]

to go to Omaha as soon as February rolls around. Because that's where the OM program is. Expecting Omaha every single year. Your last 2 years have been below par? Good God you have an inflated view of your baseball program don't you?

 

[patdog]

and I think they probably will both be in super regionals the same year at some point

Like last year?

Doh! I guess I should amend my statement that we'll both host and win regionals in the same year at some point. I still think our appearance in the super regional last year was a fluke.</p>

 

[Todd4State]

Both Bianco and Cohen know that you can't build a Championship team only with Mississippi players. You have to be able to go outside of the state, and if you're Ole Miss it makes a LOT of sense to recruit Memphis. MSU has had success there in the past, but Ole Miss has owned that area lately.

I think Ole Miss would be hurt MUCH more if the Univerisity of Memphis had a good baseball team than MSU.</p>

 

[Ford76]

Fluke or not. It was the most fun that I have had at a State athletic event in a long time. I was there both days and I still say the attendance on Saturday was vastly underrated. You couldn't have crammed another person into the ballpark on Saturday.

 

[Todd4State]

but there is no doubt that you are on down swing.

05- SR host
06- SR host
07- SR
08- second in a Regional.

But there's more to it than just what's on the surface. You miss McDonnell, and that is really going to show next year, and it's already showing a little bit. Also, last time I saw Ole Miss play in person, it seemed like Bianco wasn't as fiery as he used to be. Now, that is only one game, but you do have to wonder if he isn't settling down into complacency at least a little bit.</p>

 

[rebelrouseri]

Good God you have an inflated view of your baseball program don't you?

signed, we will win a nat'l title in the next ten years and dominate om now that we have a new coach.

 

[rebel law]

Your last 2 years have been below par?

I was referring to our last 2 recruiting classes. Try to keep up. I don't remember saying anything about Omaha. I wouldn't mention much about having an over inflated view of a baseball program around here. I do recall about a week ago seeing a Buy/Sell on here if MSU would win a NC in the next 10 years. But thanks for you just being a douche in general and hijacking the thread when we were actually having a pretty civil discussion. I know it is shocking to you to think that Ole Miss and MSU fans can discuss sports without acting like a !!%%%%@ 5 year old.

 

[rebel law]

05- SR host
06- SR host
07- SR
08- second in a Regional.

There is no doubt that '05 was our high point. We didn't host the '06 SR the legit way but that isn't really important in this discussion. 05 was our highpoint, 06 and 07 were suppose to be rebuilding years and we performed above expectations. 08 was suppose to be a year like 05. Obviously we bombed and that does concern me. Mainly because I don't see us being very good in 09. It would be ok to be average in 09 if we were rebuilding off of a good year but it isn't much fun to rebuild when you weren't very good the year before. I think it will be 2010 before we have a super regional type team again.

 

[BriantheDawg]

I don't remember saying anything about Omaha.

I do remember you spouting off at the mouth about expecting Omaha every year now. I said it was laughable since you hadn't been in 30 years or so. You ridiculed that thought because this year's team was going to be Bianco's best, blah blah blah. CWS blah blah blah. Even as inflated of a view of MSU baseball as some around here have, I doubt they 'expect' Omaha every single year. I expect to host Regionals every other year or so, with a CWS mixed in maybe 1 out of every 4 or 5 years. And MSU has the history and tradition to back that up. But, since OM has starting winning a little bit and is no longer the SEC's doorstep, Omaha is what's expected every year. And if you don't make it past the Regionals, it's a below par year. Right.

I wouldn't mention much about having an over inflated view of a baseball program around here.

You're right. Some of us do have an over-inflated view of our baseball program. But, there must be something to it if Cohen turned down a 10 year contract and one of the top salaries in the country to come back home. That, and the two coaches he's brought on so far had just received head coaching gigs in which they reneged to take a lower level position to be a apart of what Cohen is going to build here. We may not win a Nat'l Championship anytime soon (because we are MState afterall), but the interest from coaches all around the country proved to me that MSU baseball is one of the top jobs in the nation and that there's no reason we shouldn't be a Top 10 program year in, year out. No more baseball camp good citizen golly gee recruiting. We are finally about to join the 21st Century. I have high hopes but I still don't 'expect' Omaha every year like you do.

 

[rebel law]

I have no idea what in the hell you are talking about. You are still obviously totally lost on the below par statement.

 

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I have no idea what in the hell you are talking about.

Recruiting/Last 2 seasons - It doesn't matter. You should always have a top 5 class and make it to Omaha every year. Bianco is God. We know.

 

[RebelBruiser]

to go to Omaha as soon as February rolls around. Because that's where the OM program is. Expecting Omaha every single year. Your last 2 years have been
below par? Good God you have an inflated view of your baseball program don't you?

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Well, we certainly aren't the only fans in the state with an inflated view of our baseball program.

 

[rebel law]

You should always have a top 5 class and make it to Omaha every year. Bianco is God. We know

I have never said any of the above. The only discussion I can remember is back in February saying it wasn't crazy for our past year's team to expect to go to Omaha. That was what their expectation was. Hell I imagine most every good team has the same expectations. From listening to Cohen talk at his press conference, I'm sure that is what expectations he has for his teams. We bombed this year. But in every preseason poll, we were a concensus top 10 team and top 5 in a couple. We returned 7 of 9 position players from a super regional team the year before. I don't think it was crazy for our team to have expectations to go to Omaha this past year just like I don't think it was crazy for Vandy to have expectations of Omaha with what they had returning, regardless of either team's past history. Obviously neither team came close. I have already stated numerous times that I don't think we will be very good next year.You are trying to hard to start an egg bowl type thread.

 

[BriantheDawg]

and down to earth than what you said back in February. But you did say that you now expected to go to the CWS every year now with Bianco. And yes, I was baiting you, eggbowl.com style.

 

[Todd4State]

You are trying to hard to start an egg bowl type thread.

</p> Well, let me say this, I don't think it's unreasonable for Ole Miss to shoot for Omaha. Especially since they haven't been since the 70's, I believe. At the same time, I don't think it's unreasonable for MSU to shoot for a NC in baseball because we have been to Omaha an average of once every five years. You always want to shoot for the next level, and what I just typed would be the next level for both teams.

Also, I don't mind Ole Miss being good because it forces MSU baseball to be better. If Ole Miss sucked and we were beating your brains in year in year out, there would be a LOT of MSU baseball fans content with "continuity". I'm not saying that Ole Miss being good is the only factor in us making a hire like Cohen, but it sure didn't hurt. And by hiring Cohen we have a much better shot at being a better program than we did under the previous regime.

 

[rebel law]

Just to clarify, I'm pretty positive that I never said I expect to go to Omaha every year. The discussion came about after Satterwhite made his infamous statement about the program being built around going to Omaha or something along those lines. My point was that I don't have a problem acting like they expect to go to Omaha (eventhough we haven't been in 36 years). When you go to 3 consecutive SR's (and yes lose all 3) and are a preseason top 10 team, I think it is ok for a player to come out and say that the team has expectations of Omaha. I am sure with Cohen at the helm, after about 2 or 3 years he, along with the players, will come out and say that the team's expectations are Omaha. I just don't see how what Pat Harrison or Don Kessenger did, or rather didn't accomplish, should affect what Bianco expects out of his teams.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

I'll agree with that, and honestly I hope our players' expectations are to be in Omaha every year competing for a national title. That should be their goal every year. Otherwise, why even play?

However, I do think it would be ridiculous for fans to think that their team SHOULD be playing in Omaha every year. While most fans of decent programs have hopes of Omaha every year, I don't think any truly expect to be there every single year. If Texas and Miami don't go every single year, then no one will.

 

[maroonmania]

and makes me even more ill at Polk and staff is HOW can you have maybe the worst recruiting class in MSU baseball in 30 years coming off an exciting SR you hosted and won at home plus the trip to Omaha. Boy, we really made hay out of that didn't we. NOT!

 

[patdog]

has sabotaged our recruiting for the past few years to make his point that the 11.7 scholarship limit is impossible to deal with.

 

[DerHntr]

fixed it for ya

that the 11.7 scholarship limit is impossible for him to deal with.

 

[Todd4State]

it was like our baseball program was his guinea pig for the evil's of the NCAA.</p>

 

[Stormrider81]

You keep harping on the fact that you believe it is ridiculous to even have a discussion about the remote possibility that State wins a NC in baseball in the next decade. Is it more ridiculous for a team that has made 7 trips to Omaha since the late 70's to discuss the possibility of a national title or for a team that hasn't made it to Omaha since 1972 to have CWS expectations? I still argue that the NC discussion is valid, and by the way I don't think it will happen, but that is beside the point. A team that regularly makes BCS bowl games, such as Georgia, could hold legitimate discussions about the possibility of winning a BCS title even though they never have won one before.

As I said before, baseball is a wacky sport. UNC has been a behemoth the last 3 years yet was runner up the previous two seasons having lost to the same time, the second time of which occured to a team that barely got a regional bid. Surely if Oregon State can win back to back titles the possibility exists, however remote it may be, and could be discussed that tradition rich MSU could win one.</p>