So Lebby could remain loyal…

ronpolk

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to one (Hutzler) which could affect approximately 20 in 12 months.

I think if he Hutzler is let go this year, Lebby and his staff will get 2 more years. If he retains Hutzler - I think there’s a good chance we move on entirely after year 2.
Agreed… Lebby is staking his future to hutzler if he is retained.

On one hand, I admire Lebby’s ability to stick to his convictions. He obviously believes hutzler is the right guy.

On the other hand, it’s incredibly dumb and short sighted.
 

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Are we sure it's loyalty or he's really the only choice we have right now? Roll the dice with Hutzler or pay a bunch of money to get rid of him and still roll the dice on another Hutzler? I don't get the impression Lebby has any legit contacts that would take our job unless we paid something crazy like 2x the rate.
 

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to one (Hutzler) which could affect approximately 20 in 12 months.

I think if he Hutzler is let go this year, Lebby and his staff will get 2 more years. If he retains Hutzler - I think there’s a good chance we move on entirely after year 2.
This is assuming that Selmon has the girodos to do anything like that
 

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Agreed… Lebby is staking his future to hutzler if he is retained.

On one hand, I admire Lebby’s ability to stick to his convictions. He obviously believes hutzler is the right guy.

On the other hand, it’s incredibly dumb and short sighted.
If he can't see that our defense and coaching was terrible this year than his convictions are very bad and not what we need from a coaching staff and not the head guy that's supposed to have the vision and know how to fix our program
 
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Apparently Lebby is not well connected in the college or high school coaching ranks. He can't hire quality staff and can't get recruits to campus.
Which is crazy considering the time he had spent coaching in the Texas and southeast circle. Maybe those coaches know something. The Briles connection didn't have Kendall but I think a lot of coaches are not wanting to come join a greenhorn that just went 2-10. They don't want to move and then have to move. A year later like the Arnett staff had to do.
 

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to one (Hutzler) which could affect approximately 20 in 12 months.

I think if he Hutzler is let go this year, Lebby and his staff will get 2 more years. If he retains Hutzler - I think there’s a good chance we move on entirely after year 2.
I prefer the Year 2 hot seat for the whole gang. This is the most sensible take I’ve seen about Hutzler.
 

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Well, Hutzler's defense did outperform 7 other defenses in D1 (don't pay attention to the other 125 teams).


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Then by all means, let’s keep Hutzler. Sooner we move on to a qualified head coach the better. Problem is I have zero confidence in Keenum or Selmon to hire a qualified head coach

Yes.

It's truly a conundrum. Fire Hutzler now and we likely get at least two more years of what seems a likely lame duck HC and staff or keep him and maybe they're all gone after next year.

The two year plan might be awful enough, considering the schedule, to put the president in the position of having to get rid of the AD too or simply lose the fanbase.

Decisions, decisions.
 

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Which is crazy considering the time he had spent coaching in the Texas and southeast circle. Maybe those coaches know something. The Briles connection didn't have Kendall but I think a lot of coaches are not wanting to come join a greenhorn that just went 2-10. They don't want to move and then have to move. A year later like the Arnett staff had to do.
That is my theory, who would want to come somewhere that the coach is on the hotseat after a 2-10 year and prospects aren't much better for next year. I just don't believe that you get a 3rd year in this day and time. He was named coach Nov 26 before last years early signing, had 9 months to get all of his ducks in a row from when he was hired to first game but yet we called 2 TO's in the first Q of our 12th game last Friday because we couldn't get a damn play called. He brought in transfers, had Spring training and we won 3 fewer games than we did the year before w/ that sh it show of a staff.
 

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Are we sure it's loyalty or he's really the only choice we have right now? Roll the dice with Hutzler or pay a bunch of money to get rid of him and still roll the dice on another Hutzler? I don't get the impression Lebby has any legit contacts that would take our job unless we paid something crazy like 2x the rate.
We'd definitely have to overpay and we likely wouldn't get a sure fire candidate. I think maybe the best route would be to overpay a G4 DC to come help him for a year. The problem is the chances of it being a one year gig limits your options. If it's somebody that's already on shortlists for P4 jobs, they are likely far enough in their career that they don't want to move for a one year stop that has a good chance of not being a resume enhancer. Lebby just 17ed himself with his arrogance thinking that he could have a first time DC while he is learning the ropes as a first time head coach.
 
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In fairness to Lebby, last year we played 4 ranked teams with a squad coming off a 9 win season. Lebby had to play 7 ranked teams (most in the top 15) coming off a squad with 5 wins the year before. Four of those teams will be in the playoffs. No excuses for Toledo, or the defense, but overall the team had more fight than Arnett's team.
 

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That is my theory, who would want to come somewhere that the coach is on the hotseat after a 2-10 year and prospects aren't much better for next year. I just don't believe that you get a 3rd year in this day and time. He was named coach Nov 26 before last years early signing, had 9 months to get all of his ducks in a row from when he was hired to first game but yet we called 2 TO's in the first Q of our 12th game last Friday because we couldn't get a damn play called. He brought in transfers, had Spring training and we won 3 fewer games than we did the year before w/ that sh it show of a staff.
This is part of the cycle of decline. In the past, you just needed to lock in some recruits to build around since they weren’t going anywhere. It’s like the can’t get a job without experience and can’t get experience without a job conundrum.
 

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In fairness to Lebby, last year we played 4 ranked teams with a squad coming off a 9 win season. Lebby had to play 7 ranked teams (most in the top 15) coming off a squad with 5 wins the year before. Four of those teams will be in the playoffs. No excuses for Toledo, or the defense, but overall the team had more fight than Arnett's team.
Last year we did absolutely nothing staff-wise or player-wise to build for the future. It was a 100% wasted year. Like it or not, this year is actually year 1 of the re-build and transition from Leach's air raid system and players.
 
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That kind of decision would simply be evidence of him not trying hard enough to get better. Complacency should be fireable.
I agree but we also have to consider who writes the checks. There may be zero faith that more money given to Selmon/Lebby will result in an improvement. The Hutzler hire / salary was a head scratcher from the beginning. Money guys may be saying "you made your bed, lie in it".

Or maybe everyone one top/bottom is complacent/incompetent? Also possible.
 
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Agreed… Lebby is staking his future to hutzler if he is retained.

On one hand, I admire Lebby’s ability to stick to his convictions. He obviously believes hutzler is the right guy.

On the other hand, it’s incredibly dumb and short sighted.
There is one other possibility that I just thought of. Lebby could want to stick with Hutzler because he is afraid that he might hire someone even worse.
 

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There is one other possibility that I just thought of. Lebby could want to stick with Hutzler because he is afraid that he might hire someone even worse.
I think it’s just plain and simple ego. Most all of these coaches have huge egos and typically think they are the smartest in the room. I think lebby is trying to prove he’s not going to back down due to fan pressure. It’s a shame he’s going to do this because he’s going to ruin his head coaching future. Another 2 win season and he will be fired. I doubt he ever gets another power 5 opportunity if he manages to win 4 games in 2 years.
 

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Are we sure it's loyalty or he's really the only choice we have right now? Roll the dice with Hutzler or pay a bunch of money to get rid of him and still roll the dice on another Hutzler? I don't get the impression Lebby has any legit contacts that would take our job unless we paid something crazy like 2x the rate.
I really don't think Lenny would be dumb enough to hire another ST coach to be DC...just go hire the Purdue guy that just got fired, it's simple
 

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This is assuming that Selmon will be around to fire him? He's already been looking for his next job, you know he was top 40 under 40!***
Then by all means he should move on to his next upward trajectory job. Florida ready to fire stricklin yet? Who's next on the chopping block
 

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Obviously I’m in the minority here, but regardless of whether we keep Hutz or not, we’ll never really know what kind of coach he could be with the right players. He can play any kind of defense he wants, but without top players, it’s not going to work. I saw many plays this year where our guys were in the correct position, yet failed miserably at making a play.
 

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Obviously I’m in the minority here, but regardless of whether we keep Hutz or not, we’ll never really know what kind of coach he could be with the right players. He can play any kind of defense he wants, but without top players, it’s not going to work. I saw many plays this year where our guys were in the correct position, yet failed miserably at making a play.
Bentley’s long TD run was a prime example of that. Should have been a 2-3 yard run, Smith whiffed on the tackle. What I didn’t like was early in season our DB’s playing so far off WR’s…and of course 3 man DL.
 

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but yet we called 2 TO's in the first Q of our 12th game last Friday because we couldn't get a damn play called.
And this is with radios in helmets. So it's not like they were having to signal from the sidelines. That was nothing more than indecision by the play caller, your head coach.
 
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