so we are 11-10 last two years and other schools want our coaches????

[blion72]

11-10 and if you take out OOC we were 8-10 in the BIG........so why does anyone want any PSU coach?

looking at our staff where do they rank? Josh Gattis looks like a next HC more than a position coach at PSU. what about the Iowa staff who get more out of their players? Jim Leonard is miles ahead of anyone we have. Pick several teams, but a team with losing conference record with several years of top recruiting.

 

[donaldfair71]

11-10 and if you take out OOC we were 8-10 in the BIG........so why does anyone want any PSU coach?

looking at our staff where do they rank? Josh Gattis looks like a next HC more than a position coach at PSU. what about the Iowa staff who get more out of their players? Jim Leonard is miles ahead of anyone we have. Pick several teams, but a team with losing conference record with several years of top recruiting.

I can only go down a few names and give my opinion.
Brent Pry has done a good job for a long time at PSU and elsewhere. He’s earned a shot at a place like Tech.
Gattis I would assume gets a head job sooner rather than later but he hasn’t done nearly as well nearly as long as Pry. I believe he’s also much younger so there’s no shock his relative lack of experience.
Iowa’s coordinators are the head coach’s son who coached one of the weaker units in the country and 58 year old Phil Parker. I would imagine if Parker wanted a head job or higher profile job, he could get one. He’s certainly done well playing a very basic but well-coached system.
Jim Leonard is probably just waiting for the right opportunity to become a head coach. That, or I could see him follow the Aranda route: leave for a job like LSU for money you can’t turn down then get a head job at a place like Baylor.

Where’s Yurcich rank? I think he’s a phenomenal coach handcuffed by personnel and JF personally. Put it this way, he’d be unemployed for 15 minutes if we let him go, and not just for any jobs. He’s qualified to work at any school in America. I really wish we could have seen what he does with his “stuff” rather than subbing every other play going slow. I actually, believe it or not, think that the two drives that looked the most like his offense was the one second half TD drive at Wisconsin and the Roberson FG drive at Iowa. When it’s rolling and going fast it’s nails and Roberson got the initial first down on the drive that you need, and the defense was on its heels for the rest of the possession. Thanks to drops and a dumb illegal formation, he never got the chance to really get that initial first down any other drive. But he’s kind of the perfect guy for the system, even though he looked bad that game overall.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

This is the first year Gattis has looked good calling plays. Conveniently, Jimmah incorporated a lot of the power running and TE usage from his better play calling days before it occurred.

I really like Leonhard as a DC, but is Wiskys 8-4 all that much better than our 7-5?

Anybody looking at our coaches (defensive at the very least) knows we were thin on the DL roster between preseason injuries, failures to see the field, and a mid season injury was the death knell.

 

[blion72]

This is the first year Gattis has looked good calling plays. Conveniently, Jimmah incorporated a lot of the power running and TE usage from his better play calling days before it occurred.

I really like Leonhard as a DC, but is Wiskys 8-4 all that much better than our 7-5?

Anybody looking at our coaches (defensive at the very least) knows we were thin on the DL roster between preseason injuries, failures to see the field, and a mid season injury was the death knell.

all I am suggesting is why wouldn't you look at several other staffs who have performed much better than ours over the last two years. In the BIG alone must be some much better performers who have recruited avg players and out performing PSU in wins. we seem to have a lot of turnover given poor performance.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

all I am suggesting is why wouldn't you look at several other staffs who have performed much better than ours over the last two years. In the BIG alone must be some much better performers who have recruited avg players and out performing PSU in wins. we seem to have a lot of turnover given poor performance.

Our poor performances are limited to 2 years. The 4 prior were very good to great.

I liken it to hiring Limegrover from Minnesota. Many thought "ohh, he's developed some decent OLs out of 2* players. Imagine what he can do with 4* studs!"

What isn't looked at is the circumstances. Run first, run heavy offense that would incorporate 6 OL and multiple TEs to block for a stable of solid to very good RBs. And we bring him in for an RPO / Zone Read scheme.

As somebody else has said, we need an OL coach who has a history within the scheme we are running. Yurcich should be asked if Traut is capable of it, in his opinion, and go forward from there. Another power running OL coach, who's best OL development came about with a HC who was a former OL coach.

 

[Nittany1865Farmer]

Our poor performances are limited to 2 years. The 4 prior were very good to great.

I liken it to hiring Limegrover from Minnesota. Many thought "ohh, he's developed some decent OLs out of 2* players. Imagine what he can do with 4* studs!"

What isn't looked at is the circumstances. Run first, run heavy offense that would incorporate 6 OL and multiple TEs to block for a stable of solid to very good RBs. And we bring him in for an RPO / Zone Read scheme.

As somebody else has said, we need an OL coach who has a history within the scheme we are running. Yurcich should be asked if Traut is capable of it, in his opinion, and go forward from there. Another power running OL coach, who's best OL development came about with a HC who was a former OL coach.

^^^^^ This. If a coach you bring in to help 'boost" a weak link in your offensive or defensive scheme, it would be a great benefit if that incoming coach's philosophy and strengths are in the scheme you are trying to improve. Look at Nebraska's offense. When they ran a scheme of power running or even with Tommy Frazier, a good mobile running QB, they didn't try to hire a coach who specialized in a pass-happy west coast offense. They hired guys who were familiar with what Nebraska is using. Now Nebby can't seem to find an offensive identity even with going through several position coaches to try to fix their issues.

 

[JWB389]

I also think we've had a lot of really bad luck with injuries. We had a lot of things break our way prior to 2020. Since then, not so much. Micah sitting out last year, Journey B, then Cain's injury slowed (reversed) his productivity into this year. This year, Mustipher and Clifford. All key pieces. Couple that with some gambles in the play calling, we're looking a lot better if not for a matter of inches. I'm rambling, but early in the season people were saying placekicking would cost us a game. It did cost us at least one at MSU.

The one that really mystifies me is the OL. The quality of play on the OL has been pitiful, at least back to the Barkley years. It has to be the scheme.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Man I don't recall seeing your praise of Gattis at UM prior to this year? Odd, I probably just missed it though.

 

[bbrown]

11-10 and if you take out OOC we were 8-10 in the BIG........so why does anyone want any PSU coach?

looking at our staff where do they rank? Josh Gattis looks like a next HC more than a position coach at PSU. what about the Iowa staff who get more out of their players? Jim Leonard is miles ahead of anyone we have. Pick several teams, but a team with losing conference record with several years of top recruiting.

Yea why don't they go after Gattis or the new DCord at Michy? He was a 100% improvement of the great Don Brown.
Or C'mon someone take a look at Brian Hartline at OSU...PLEASE.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

Yea why don't they go after Gattis or the new DCord at Michy? He was a 100% improvement of the great Don Brown.
Or C'mon someone take a look at Brian Hartline at OSU...PLEASE.

If Hartline could recruit and develop OL...snag him in a heartbeat!

He does pretty good with WRs too, but having a fairly dominant OL allows the WRs time to get open.

 

[Bvillebaron]

11-10 and if you take out OOC we were 8-10 in the BIG........so why does anyone want any PSU coach?

looking at our staff where do they rank? Josh Gattis looks like a next HC more than a position coach at PSU. what about the Iowa staff who get more out of their players? Jim Leonard is miles ahead of anyone we have. Pick several teams, but a team with losing conference record with several years of top recruiting.

What does that tell you? Maybe that the losses aren't ALL because of the coaches?

 

[Bvillebaron]

Yea why don't they go after Gattis or the new DCord at Michy? He was a 100% improvement of the great Don Brown.
Or C'mon someone take a look at Brian Hartline at OSU...PLEASE.

Isn’t Hartline the WR coach and isn’t he the main reason Fleming went there?

 

[blion72]

What does that tell you? Maybe that the losses aren't ALL because of the coaches?

as being discussed on BWI daily, there is a distinct possibility of losing 3 asst coaches to HC spots (one gone already). Not many teams with back to back losing record in their conference are going to loose 3 asst coaches to HC jobs. so you have a point, maybe it is not coaching and just overall lack of talent on the team. I think we would be 2 or 3 in the BIG recruiting the last several years, but that does not mean they are panning out.

 

[91Joe95]

as being discussed on BWI daily, there is a distinct possibility of losing 3 asst coaches to HC spots (one gone already). Not many teams with back to back losing record in their conference are going to loose 3 asst coaches to HC jobs. so you have a point, maybe it is not coaching and just overall lack of talent on the team. I think we would be 2 or 3 in the BIG recruiting the last several years, but that does not mean they are panning out.

Everyone but Franklin.

 

[Bvillebaron]

as being discussed on BWI daily, there is a distinct possibility of losing 3 asst coaches to HC spots (one gone already). Not many teams with back to back losing record in their conference are going to loose 3 asst coaches to HC jobs. so you have a point, maybe it is not coaching and just overall lack of talent on the team. I think we would be 2 or 3 in the BIG recruiting the last several years, but that does not mean they are panning out.

I have never said that Franklin is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He has his faults especially not having the team ready for Illinois. However, people are blaming him for the losses to Michigan and MSU but no one has yet to cite any specific coaching “errors” he made in either of those games which led to the defeats despite my asking. Stout missed a critical FG against Michigan and the defense gives up the game losing TD on a 47 yard pass to a TE thrown 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Stout missed a FG and a PAT in a 3 point loss to MSU. Franklin makes the right call by punting on 4th and inches down 7-0 from PSU’s 47 in the first quarter. Stout’s punt is downed at the 1 yard line I’m thinking maybe the team can get a safety or at least get a 3 and out and get the ball back in good field position. What happens? Boom 33 yards off right tackle on the first play and goes 99 yards to go up 14-0. MSU scores a TD on 4th and 15 late in the game for the decisive TD. Thought Kirby Smart’s comment was interesting the other day when asked about Alabama’s success recently. Said simply that they have had a lot of really good players over those years. If you watched the Auburn/Alabama game last Saturday you saw Alabama overcome a 10-0 4th quarter deficit you saw their players, especially their QB and WRs make a lot of critical plays in crunch time.

 

[No Name All Game]

My thoughts on why our coordinators and coaches seem to be hot ticket items
Like all good CEO’s ( Head Coach ) you can recruit great talent around you like Management ( Coaches and Coordinators ) and with that Workers( Players ) .... BUT like a bad CEO when you are constantly sticking your nose into your management business which then affects the Workers you end up with a business not running to its full potential and management teams getting frustrated and moving on when another company that sees their abilities not being used to their fullest potential.
Unlike some CEOs ( Saban ) who allow the Management (coaches ) to do what they were hired to do and reap the benefits from it they to lose Manager ( coaches ,coordinators ) but can plug the next guy in and keep on winning

 

[Bvillebaron]

My thoughts on why our coordinators and coaches seem to be hot ticket items
Like all good CEO’s ( Head Coach ) you can recruit great talent around you like Management ( Coaches and Coordinators ) and with that Workers( Players ) .... BUT like a bad CEO when you are constantly sticking your nose into your management business which then affects the Workers you end up with a business not running to its full potential and management teams getting frustrated and moving on when another company that sees their abilities not being used to their fullest potential.
Unlike some CEOs ( Saban ) who allow the Management (coaches ) to do what they were hired to do and reap the benefits from it they to lose Manager ( coaches ,coordinators ) but can plug the next guy in and keep on winning

And you know Franklin is interfering with his coordinators how?

 

[fastlax16]

And Michigan was 11-8 in 19/20. Some people here have very narrow perspectives.

 

[No Name All Game]

And you know Franklin is interfering with his coordinators how

And you know Franklin is interfering with his coordinators how?

Mike Yurcich.... just look at his coaching stats at Oklahoma State, OSU and Texas then look at PSU something is happening

 

[nepalion]

And Michigan was 11-8 in 19/20. Some people here have very narrow perspectives.

what's narrow about pointing out a very poor record for a program like what we consider ourselves to be, james?

 

[fastlax16]

what's narrow about pointing out a very poor record for a program like what we consider ourselves to be, james?

because 2020 was a clusterfuck season that was originally cancelled by a pandemic and 2021 was derailed by injuries at key positions. Franklin absolutely has issues he needs to work through. So does a big chunk of this fanbase.

 

[BobPSU92]

Do other schools want our players? Please, please, please.