Someone confirm or deny for me

[paindonthurt17]

But i just got a call from the state excellence fund.

according to the lady, who seemed very knowledgeable, we are headed to rev sharing and the max any school can give out is $25 million in NIL. That max may increase over the years but it will be across the board.

75% football
15% basketball
10% all other sports

she claims baseball roster will all be full scholarships

some rosters will reduce in size

says that Alabama (for example) can’t pay anymore than we can assuming our budget allows for the max.

Did i misunderstand?

ETA: also all money to excellence fund is tax deductible

 

[The Cooterpoot]

NIL is separate of the revenue sharing. They're guaranteed revenue sharing money, but NIL can sweeten their deal.

 

[paindonthurt17]

NIL is separate of the revenue sharing. They're guaranteed revenue sharing money, but NIL can sweeten their deal.

Maybe I misunderstood her or maybe she was just wrong, but she acted like NIL would be included

doesn’t seem right though

but either way this seems like a good thing for us

 

[ZombieKissinger]

Maybe I misunderstood her or maybe she was just wrong, but she acted like NIL would be included

doesn’t seem right though

but either way this seems like a good thing for us

There’s nothing anyone can do to prevent NIL. The hope for a lot of people is that the revenue sharing will be a generally agreed upon max to prevent spending wars, but boosters at traditional powerhouses are going to continue to contribute beyond it in the form of NIL

 

[BulldogBlitz]

says that Alabama (for example) can’t pay anymore than we can assuming our budget allows for the max.

that's just the over the table payments.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

that's just the over the table payments.

Are we still buying cars on the sly, or did that get put at the forefront? Seems that it would be an easy NIL deal to structure with a car dealership. Back in the day, the athletic dorm had the nicest cars on campus!

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Maybe I misunderstood her or maybe she was just wrong, but she acted like NIL would be included

doesn’t seem right though

but either way this seems like a good thing for us

the courts have made it clear that you can't restrict NIL in any way. So whatever the school shares in revenue sharing is completely separate from NIL. Just as Dak's Cowboys contract is totally separate from anything he gets paid to endorse. All revenue sharing is going to do is make spoiled kids more spoiled, and a crap ton of them with no business getting paid to play football will get paid to play football.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

Dakota Jordan had about 3 chargers all on the up and up through his NIL

 

[8dog]

But i just got a call from the state excellence fund.

according to the lady, who seemed very knowledgeable, we are headed to rev sharing and the max any school can give out is $25 million in NIL. That max may increase over the years but it will be across the board.

75% football
15% basketball
10% all other sports

she claims baseball roster will all be full scholarships

some rosters will reduce in size

says that Alabama (for example) can’t pay anymore than we can assuming our budget allows for the max.

Did i misunderstand?

ETA: also all money to excellence fund is tax deductible

She is mostly right except NIL can be paid on top of this. Its about $22 million for rev share then another 1.5-2 annually for 10 years for our share of the settlement payment.

 

[AnesthesiaDawg]

But i just got a call from the state excellence fund.

according to the lady, who seemed very knowledgeable, we are headed to rev sharing and the max any school can give out is $25 million in NIL. That max may increase over the years but it will be across the board.

75% football
15% basketball
10% all other sports

she claims baseball roster will all be full scholarships

some rosters will reduce in size

says that Alabama (for example) can’t pay anymore than we can assuming our budget allows for the max.

Did i misunderstand?

ETA: also all money to excellence fund is tax deductible

Honestly shocked you got a call!

 

[paindonthurt17]

Honestly shocked you got a call!

Dont know what that means but ok!!!

 

[ckDOG]

the courts have made it clear that you can't restrict NIL in any way. So whatever the school shares in revenue sharing is completely separate from NIL. Just as Dak's Cowboys contract is totally separate from anything he gets paid to endorse. All revenue sharing is going to do is make spoiled kids more spoiled, and a crap ton of them with no business getting paid to play football will get paid to play football.

Right. And it begs the question "who the 17 is funding this with zero ROI?". In the past I viewed it as some good ol boys with some leftover "17 you money" throwing it around here or there so their team wins a recruiting battle for ego purposes. Like $20k here and there. Good money but nothing worse than a wealthy guy dropping the same at a casino on a Saturday night. The world goes on. But $20M dollar slush funds to satisfy egos? There's a lot of people with more money than sense out there. It's insanity to me.

Nike paying a Heisman candidate on a big market team 7 figures to promote their stuff? Okay that's fine and I get that. There's a service/return there presumably.

 

[AnesthesiaDawg]

Dont know what that means but ok!!!

Just meant shocked anybody from our athletic department is calling people trying to raise money after we’ve had basically zero widespread public fundraising efforts by the administration since the whole NIL started.

It seems like if it wasn’t for Charlie we’d be even further behind than we already are. Just my perception……..may not be the reality.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Just meant shocked anybody from our athletic department is calling people trying to raise money after we’ve had basically zero widespread public fundraising efforts by the administration since the whole NIL started.

It seems like if it wasn’t for Charlie we’d be even further behind than we already are. Just my perception……..may not be the reality.

Well I think I got the call because I donate to the initiative and they are trying to get people to switch to the excellence fund.

the initiative will become something different. Mainly facilitating actual deals with athletes say from cspire or Mitchell automotive, etc.

 

[ClintonInHelen]

I’d hit it…

 

[randystewart]

the courts have made it clear that you can't restrict NIL in any way. So whatever the school shares in revenue sharing is completely separate from NIL. Just as Dak's Cowboys contract is totally separate from anything he gets paid to endorse. All revenue sharing is going to do is make spoiled kids more spoiled, and a crap ton of them with no business getting paid to play football will get paid to play football.

My understanding is that NIL in the new rev sharing scenario will be back to real NIL instead of the pay for play packages it is now. To control abuse it will have a clearing house to determine fair market value for the activity. NFL has a similar clearing house to prevent teams from using endorsements to violate the salary cap. So in theory, Ole Miss will not be able to pay someone $1,000,000 to do a car commercial if the clearing house determines that fair market value at $50K

 

[ababyatemydingo]

My understanding is that NIL in the new rev sharing scenario will be back to real NIL instead of the pay for play packages it is now. To control abuse it will have a clearing house to determine fair market value for the activity. NFL has a similar clearing house to prevent teams from using endorsements to violate the salary cap. So in theory, Ole Miss will not be able to pay someone $1,000,000 to do a car commercial if the clearing house determines that fair market value at $50K

You are wrong on all accounts on this. Whoever told you this...go up to them and punch them in the nuts

 

[paindonthurt17]

I’d hit it…

Assuming you mean the one who called me? Bc i would too!

 

[randystewart]

You are wrong on all accounts on this. Whoever told you this...go up to them and punch them in the nuts

Ok.... wait and see

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You are wrong on all accounts on this. Whoever told you this...go up to them and punch them in the nuts

You probably ought to stand down on this one.

Or....by all means continue talking and prove to us how big of an idiot you are.

 

[pseudonym]

the max any school can give out is $25 million in NIL. That max may increase over the years but it will be across the board.

I don't think any kind of cap could refer to NIL. Is it possible she was referring to rev share? In other words, uniform rev share + NIL (whatever fans want to contribute on top of rev share).

I think we are going to be more competitive once the rev share House settlement takes effect in July. Every SEC school, including State, is going to max out the rev share to football players. Some programs will have NIL on top of that, but not nearly the gap we currently see.

For example, let's say an SEC program spent $15 million on its football roster this year while another spent $7.5 million (100% NIL). In the future, these programs will distribute a similar amount in rev share, while program A might spend a few million more than program B in NIL money on top of rev share. There probably won't be a 2x payroll gap in that scenario.

That's why I don't think we will break the bank with NIL deals between now and July. We are just preparing for the world that starts in July, which means we will probably finish 15th or 16th in football again in 2025.

 

[pseudonym]

My understanding is that NIL in the new rev sharing scenario will be back to real NIL instead of the pay for play packages it is now. To control abuse it will have a clearing house to determine fair market value for the activity. NFL has a similar clearing house to prevent teams from using endorsements to violate the salary cap. So in theory, Ole Miss will not be able to pay someone $1,000,000 to do a car commercial if the clearing house determines that fair market value at $50K

I have heard this as well. I have no idea how they effectively accomplish this, but I have heard the same.

In other words, the rev share is above the table pay for play. NIL will supposedly be actual NIL (name, image, and likeness).

 

[Dawgzilla2]

There’s nothing anyone can do to prevent NIL. The hope for a lot of people is that the revenue sharing will be a generally agreed upon max to prevent spending wars, but boosters at traditional powerhouses are going to continue to contribute beyond it in the form of NIL

While it's unclear how effective it will be, part of the revenue sharing settlement includes a provision for the NCAA to police NIL contracts to ensure they are true NIL deals and not just pay for play schemes used to circumvent the revenue sharing caps.

Everyone agrees that players can earn money for use of their NIL outside of the revenue sharing caps. What they are trying to reduce is what they called "faux NIL" deals, where the athlete does nothing to earn the money other than be on the team.

They are working on a bunch of definitional language to establish exactly how NIL deals can work, and challenges to these deals will be adjudication by an independent arbiter rather than the NCAA itself.

In theory, it will be fine for an athlete to earn money through endorsement deals, selling merch, social media deals, whatever, but they will not be able to demand NIL money just to stay on the team, or get paid a disproportionately large amount for whatever contract they sign.

It's not perfect by any stretch, but it sounds like NIL rules enforcement is going to replace recruiting rules enforcement.

And it still leaves schools with smaller fan bases at a disadvantage. A player at Alabams is simply going to have more endorsement opportunities thrown their way than a player at State.

 

[luthermanhole]

My understanding is that NIL in the new rev sharing scenario will be back to real NIL instead of the pay for play packages it is now. To control abuse it will have a clearing house to determine fair market value for the activity. NFL has a similar clearing house to prevent teams from using endorsements to violate the salary cap. So in theory, Ole Miss will not be able to pay someone $1,000,000 to do a car commercial if the clearing house determines that fair market value at $50K

This is the furthest possible thing from what revenue sharing is.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

I have heard this as well. I have no idea how they effectively accomplish this, but I have heard the same.

In other words, the rev share is above the table pay for play. NIL will supposedly be actual NIL (name, image, and likeness).

NIL now is "supposed" to be name, image, and likeness. but it's not. and won't be going forward. The courts have made it clear that you can't restrict a player from earning income however they choose to earn it. NIL will be used to sweeten deals to get players, and it'll be used just like it is now. pay for play. Rev sharing is not going to do one thing to change this situation. Everyone will be giving out the rev sharing money, PLUS they'll still be begging for money from us to give them for NIL, because the UGAs, Bama's, OSU's, etc... will be dishing out pay for play NIL money left and right. Just like they do now. The whole rev sharing thing is a stupid concept. NCAA has some dubmasses running it.

 

[randystewart]

This is the furthest possible thing from what revenue sharing is.

I was talking about what NIL will be in the rev sharing era. I was not explaining rev sharing

 

[ZombieKissinger]

While it's unclear how effective it will be, part of the revenue sharing settlement includes a provision for the NCAA to police NIL contracts to ensure they are true NIL deals and not just pay for play schemes used to circumvent the revenue sharing caps.

Everyone agrees that players can earn money for use of their NIL outside of the revenue sharing caps. What they are trying to reduce is what they called "faux NIL" deals, where the athlete does nothing to earn the money other than be on the team.

They are working on a bunch of definitional language to establish exactly how NIL deals can work, and challenges to these deals will be adjudication by an independent arbiter rather than the NCAA itself.

In theory, it will be fine for an athlete to earn money through endorsement deals, selling merch, social media deals, whatever, but they will not be able to demand NIL money just to stay on the team, or get paid a disproportionately large amount for whatever contract they sign.

It's not perfect by any stretch, but it sounds like NIL rules enforcement is going to replace recruiting rules enforcement.

And it still leaves schools with smaller fan bases at a disadvantage. A player at Alabams is simply going to have more endorsement opportunities thrown their way than a player at State.

That’s helpful to know. Regulation is the best means of controlling a Nash Equilibrium that hurts everyone. Still don’t think there’s a way to stop NIL, even without good NIL uses that exist for some of these teams, but I’m certainly in favor of regulating it significantly

 

[pseudonym]

NIL now is "supposed" to be name, image, and likeness. but it's not. and won't be going forward. The courts have made it clear that you can't restrict a player from earning income however they choose to earn it. NIL will be used to sweeten deals to get players, and it'll be used just like it is now. pay for play. Rev sharing is not going to do one thing to change this situation. Everyone will be giving out the rev sharing money, PLUS they'll still be begging for money from us to give them for NIL, because the UGAs, Bama's, OSU's, etc... will be dishing out pay for play NIL money left and right. Just like they do now. The whole rev sharing thing is a stupid concept. NCAA has some dubmasses running it.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but fair market value NIL is being discussed as part of the House settlement. I'm making no claim that this is how it plays out in practice.

Settlement Documents Filed in College Athletics Class-Action Lawsuits - NCAA.org

Formal settlement documents were filed with the Northern District Court of California Friday to advance the settlement approval process to resolve class-action lawsuits

www.ncaa.org

 

[WranglerofDawgs]

I wish they’d hurry up and call me so I can remove my name from their list. Getting free from this frustrating mess. Y’all have fun.

 

[MSUDOG24]

My understanding is that NIL in the new rev sharing scenario will be back to real NIL instead of the pay for play packages it is now. To control abuse it will have a clearing house to determine fair market value for the activity. NFL has a similar clearing house to prevent teams from using endorsements to violate the salary cap. So in theory, Ole Miss will not be able to pay someone $1,000,000 to do a car commercial if the clearing house determines that fair market value at $50K

My understanding as well. Lot of details to be worked out but at least in concept.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

But i just got a call from the state excellence fund.

according to the lady, who seemed very knowledgeable, we are headed to rev sharing and the max any school can give out is $25 million in NIL. That max may increase over the years but it will be across the board.

75% football
15% basketball
10% all other sports

she claims baseball roster will all be full scholarships

some rosters will reduce in size

says that Alabama (for example) can’t pay anymore than we can assuming our budget allows for the max.

Did i misunderstand?

ETA: also all money to excellence fund is tax deductible

Very few players get meaningful NIL deals, most of the money that players receive comes from the collective.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Very few players get meaningful NIL deals, most of the money that players receive comes from the collective.

 

[blacklistedbully]

I'm on record from the beginning this was going to be a disaster for us and schools like us. Frankly, I can't believe anybody on here with common sense ever thought this could be good for us. Some thought it would close the spending gap some.

Any of you guys or gals still think that is true?

I've posted numerous times that this **** has ruined college sports &, if not corrected might eventually end it altogether as more and more fans lose interest. Fans lose interest, television loses interest. Television loses interest, companies helping with sponsorships, etc. will lose interest.

But for me, the biggest blow has always been that this is making the players "them" and not "us". To whatever degree that was different before...even if it was mostly just perception, the bloom has gone from that proverbial rose. At a minimum we're watching the petals fall off before our eyes.

The "us" and/or "we" part of college sports is the main thing that made it special...made it better than the NFL. With that going away what strong connections remain for most fans? Sure, the ones getting paid are wearing our uniforms, but so do the maintenance workers, and I don't get pumped following them. It's just a job for them. This BS now is making athletics little more than a job, or worse, contract work.

All this said, I suppose if you're still interested in possible rule changes that might actually close the gap, how about a Luxury Tax? Make it so the big-spenders are helping schools with less resources be competitive. Make it so all deals with athletes have to be approved by a board, Athletic Department, school president, etc. There may be no restrictions on what the athletes can be paid, but schools have the ability to decide if they want to invite those athletes to be a part of their rosters. If they approve the offers, then they do so knowing a significant chunk of their money over the limit goes right to their less-fortunate competitors.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Or....by all means continue talking and prove to us how big of an idiot you are.

 

[paindonthurt17]

I'm on record from the beginning this was going to be a disaster for us and schools like us. Frankly, I can't believe anybody on here with common sense ever thought this could be good for us. Some thought it would close the spending gap some.

Any of you guys or gals still think that is true?

I've posted numerous times that this **** has ruined college sports &, if not corrected might eventually end it altogether as more and more fans lose interest. Fans lose interest, television loses interest. Television loses interest, companies helping with sponsorships, etc. will lose interest.

But for me, the biggest blow has always been that this is making the players "them" and not "us". To whatever degree that was different before...even if it was mostly just perception, the bloom has gone from that proverbial rose. At a minimum we're watching the petals fall off before our eyes.

The "us" and/or "we" part of college sports is the main thing that made it special...made it better than the NFL. With that going away what strong connections remain for most fans? Sure, the ones getting paid are wearing our uniforms, but so do the maintenance workers, and I don't get pumped following them. It's just a job for them. This BS now is making athletics little more than a job, or worse, contract work.

All this said, I suppose if you're still interested in possible rule changes that might actually close the gap, how about a Luxury Tax? Make it so the big-spenders are helping schools with less resources be competitive. Make it so all deals with athletes have to be approved by a board, Athletic Department, school president, etc. There may be no restrictions on what the athletes can be paid, but schools have the ability to decide if they want to invite those athletes to be a part of their rosters. If they approve the offers, then they do so knowing a significant chunk of their money over the limit goes right to their less-fortunate competitors.

i don’t know if it will close the spending gap with us but it certainly is going to help spread the talent around more.

we don’t have have to get any of the top talent either to close the gap.

If bama and Georgia and ohio state get less top talent and we get the same as we have historically, we have closed the gap some.