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I thought this guy was off the team.</p>
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I thought this guy was off the team.</p>
South Carolina lets QB Stephen Garcia back on the team
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if you compare him to other coaches AND look at the actual crime + time done. He believes his players and as long as the law supports it, he doesn't punish them too hard. This Garcia guy has been in trouble since he got there.
F**k any Ole Miss fan that comes over here and says different.
F**k any Ole Miss fan that comes over here and says different.
I agree with you. The only difference is that Croom talks about discipline and doing things the right way so much that he almost asks to be held to a higher standard. Coaches like Spurrier, Meyer, Saban, Tubberville, Miles, even Nutt, spend very little time if any talking about character, doing things the right way, etc. because they know that their fanbases don't give a crap about that stuff, and they know that they are in place to win. Spurrier lets this guy back on the team because he likes his ability as a QB. If the guy sucked, he wouldn't be let back.
Most coaches weigh benefits and costs. For example, guys like Garcia and Perilloux at LSU are allowed to stick around as long as their off field antics don't outweigh what they bring to the team on the field. Same goes with walk ons, though the walk ons bring very little to the team on the field, and therefore, they are more easily dispensible. Croom just took longer to figure this out. Now he just needs to figure out how to quit talking about character, the right way, etc. Then he'll be fine.
Most coaches weigh benefits and costs. For example, guys like Garcia and Perilloux at LSU are allowed to stick around as long as their off field antics don't outweigh what they bring to the team on the field. Same goes with walk ons, though the walk ons bring very little to the team on the field, and therefore, they are more easily dispensible. Croom just took longer to figure this out. Now he just needs to figure out how to quit talking about character, the right way, etc. Then he'll be fine.
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that's where we differ. And you're loyalty to Ole Miss will never allow you to see that. If you notice, I hardly ever post about off the field stuff, Powe, etc. Because we never know the whole story. But from what I've seen of Croom, he's handled every situation that he's faced pretty good.
He tries to recruit guys with character that want to be at MSU. You can't ALWAYS tell if you're getting a good guy from the limited contact they have with recruits. And you can't control what the players do, that's where, in my opinion, alot of coaches catch heat for something that they just flat out don't have that much power over.
And he doesn't cheat in recruiting. I refuse to believe Croom knowingly takes part in cheating.
Every guy that's gotten in trouble under Croom has paid for it. The punishment always fit the crime. I don't expect our rival school's fans to see that though. He's running a clean program, and we don't have a bunch of thugs. I've actually never seen a more behaved bunch of players for Mississippi State.
He tries to recruit guys with character that want to be at MSU. You can't ALWAYS tell if you're getting a good guy from the limited contact they have with recruits. And you can't control what the players do, that's where, in my opinion, alot of coaches catch heat for something that they just flat out don't have that much power over.
And he doesn't cheat in recruiting. I refuse to believe Croom knowingly takes part in cheating.
Every guy that's gotten in trouble under Croom has paid for it. The punishment always fit the crime. I don't expect our rival school's fans to see that though. He's running a clean program, and we don't have a bunch of thugs. I've actually never seen a more behaved bunch of players for Mississippi State.
To add to Goat Holder's point, there is something to be said for second chances. I don't think Johnson, Prince, or Hughes did anything wrong. I think they were in a lose-lose situation and chose to support their teammates. This may sound stupid, but I think Croom has sympathy when players do things to support each other, even if it involves backing them up in a fight at Level III or not initially cooperating with authorities in an investigation. I think they should be punished, but please don't act like you wouldn't have backed your buddies up in a bar fight or played dumb when the cops came looking for a weapon. I know I would have. If you say otherwise, you're probably a ***** or a Lambda Chi.
And these guys do deserve another chance, after punishment. Being forced to give up hopes of a professional career and/or a college degree is not punishment fit for their crime. Many of these players come from rough backgrounds and are rough around the edges. You have to expect some minor slip ups. However, many of them also represent hope for their families and communities. And by hope, I don't necessarily mean NFL dollars, I mean hope for a man who can stand up and be counted upon to be a leader, be successful, and be a role model in families and communities where few may exist. Like making sausage or laws, the process ain't pretty but it can work out pretty well in the end.
And these guys do deserve another chance, after punishment. Being forced to give up hopes of a professional career and/or a college degree is not punishment fit for their crime. Many of these players come from rough backgrounds and are rough around the edges. You have to expect some minor slip ups. However, many of them also represent hope for their families and communities. And by hope, I don't necessarily mean NFL dollars, I mean hope for a man who can stand up and be counted upon to be a leader, be successful, and be a role model in families and communities where few may exist. Like making sausage or laws, the process ain't pretty but it can work out pretty well in the end.
...you are a joke on this board. Nobody cares what you say because you are a flaming hom...er. You try to veil your flames and we all know it. You "come to the rescue" every single *#!%*!@ time we post something about mississippi. save the last bit of integrity you may have and STOP. I actually feel sorry for you. Both, because of the aforementioned ...and you like it up the ***.
I agree with nuther t on the lose-lose situation. Where some of these guys come from, if you dont stand up for your teammate or whatever, it tells the teammate that is in the ****** situation that you dont care about his well-being. I mean f*ck, they go through alot of **** together and what they look forward to, is playing the game. I know ****** situations arise, its just the world we live in now. That being said I am pretty pumped that Zulu, AJ, and Rodney are allowed back in school and rebelbruiser go choke on a dick
the documented factual cases of Croom's players getting into trouble or the documented cases of Croom's punishment? It's not even close.
So reb..you wanna talk **** about OUR program..on the pack
bring some damn examples to back your claim.
dont stir **** and not bring any proof.
I'm not going to find any to prove he isn't...the burden is on you..good <17>'n luck.
you wanna call croom out as not being a disciplinarian and call him a liar, then you better back it up with documented proof and examples of your slander.
Those are the things that the mainstream media love about him, he might not be the brightest rock at times..but he does things right, and demands the same of his players..no matter who they are.
bring some damn examples to back your claim.
dont stir **** and not bring any proof.
I'm not going to find any to prove he isn't...the burden is on you..good <17>'n luck.
you wanna call croom out as not being a disciplinarian and call him a liar, then you better back it up with documented proof and examples of your slander.
Those are the things that the mainstream media love about him, he might not be the brightest rock at times..but he does things right, and demands the same of his players..no matter who they are.
- I mean do we really need to move beyond assault of a police officer (multiple players)
- shooting a gun on campus (2 players)
- helping hide a gun that was shot illegally on campus (three players)
- signing a player mere days or even hours after he left jail for breaking his girlfriends arm (the ***** probably had it coming)
Need we go on? DUI or rape anyone...I think there are some of those. Winston Churchill say %%%% that's a lot of **** for a "character coach". Oh and I love how goat says "and I refuse to believe he cheats in recruiting" so therefore he doesn't cheat. If you really believe that any major university doesn't "cheat" in recruiting you're worthless. Nothing about Robert Elliot was anything but straight up recruiting. I mean obviously when the kids excuse for switching so late in the game is that he gets to wear a jersey number...well that's your first sign that everything is on the up and up. Come the %%%% on.</p>
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Honestly, I don't think Croom handles discipline much different than other coaches in the SEC. He may be slightly more strict about some things, but when it comes to suspensions, he hasn't treated his players differently than other SEC coaches. I don't really blame him either.
When you sign a kid, you feel responsible for trying to get the guy through school. If you kick him off at the first mistake he makes, then you're basically throwing him back out on the street. It's much better to try to give him as many chances as possible. Croom has shown that with his recruits, he's willing to give them multiple chances, and that's fine. Speaking at least for myself, the only problem I have with it is that he keeps running his mouth about character and discipline.
If you're going to preach about holding your players to a higher standard, you better actually do it. As far as I've seen, he doesn't do all that much more than the rest of the SEC coaches. They all put winning first, and they all hate to have to kick guys off their team. As for Nutt, I don't think he's a harsh disciplinarian, though the difference is he doesn't pretend to be handling his team differently than the rest of the SEC and never has. All coaches preach going to class and staying out of trouble. Croom is just the only one to speak so much about it publicly. I'm not even going to get onto him for Johnson, Prince, and Hughes. However, you have to admit that he's handled that situation in the same manner that most other SEC coaches would've handled it.
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- Cop beatdown: This cop, my friend, deserved every thing he got. Not that it makes it legal, but he started it. The players were defending themselves. Armstead has never been one to keep quiet. I know him well, and though I didn't see it that way at the time, it's obvious now that that mfer started it all. Second, it was a friggin' misdemeanor that most college kids get. In no way shape or form should they have been kicked off the team. **** happens.
- Shooting a gun on campus: Those 2 players were kicked off the team.
- Helping hide a gun: Are you kidding me? Another misdemeanor. They got their law punishments and are sitting out 2008. What else to you want? Line them up in front of the firing squad? Moron.
- Jail signing: Are you kidding me? He wasn't even on Croom's time yet. And you for damn sure don't know the whole story.
- D.U.I.: Riddell got suspended. Why else do you think Henig stayed in the whole effing LSU game and massacred our chances? He missed his shot to take over as starter. He later got another chance and got hurt, but that's after Carroll had his chance.
- Rape: You are an idiot.
- Robert Elliot: We beat you for a recruit that you thought you had in the bag. Stings doesn't it?
Finally, you are a moron, and I sincerely hope the entire Ole Miss fanbase isn't as stupid and full of penis-envy as you are. I am not optimistic about that, because you all can transform the minute MSU has any type of success.
- Shooting a gun on campus: Those 2 players were kicked off the team.
- Helping hide a gun: Are you kidding me? Another misdemeanor. They got their law punishments and are sitting out 2008. What else to you want? Line them up in front of the firing squad? Moron.
- Jail signing: Are you kidding me? He wasn't even on Croom's time yet. And you for damn sure don't know the whole story.
- D.U.I.: Riddell got suspended. Why else do you think Henig stayed in the whole effing LSU game and massacred our chances? He missed his shot to take over as starter. He later got another chance and got hurt, but that's after Carroll had his chance.
- Rape: You are an idiot.
- Robert Elliot: We beat you for a recruit that you thought you had in the bag. Stings doesn't it?
Finally, you are a moron, and I sincerely hope the entire Ole Miss fanbase isn't as stupid and full of penis-envy as you are. I am not optimistic about that, because you all can transform the minute MSU has any type of success.
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