St. Joseph Prep 45. North Allegheny 23 Final

[EPC FAN]

Mercy Rule by Prep.

 

[Relayer]

If anyone is remotely curious, here's the SJP starters. Got this off of PaPreps, props to Rover for the research.

QB: Samaj Jones (Sr. 6’1 210; Cincinnati)
RB: Isaiah West (Jr. 6’0 215; Wisconsin/Kentucky offer)
RB: Kahseim Phillips (Sr. 5’9 190; Towson)
RB: Erik Sanchez (Sr. 5’11 190; Temple offer)
WR: David Washington (Sr. 6’0 185; Kentucky)
WR: Brandon Rehmann (Sr. 6’0 185; West Virginia)
WR: Elijah Jones (Sr. 5’11 190; Cincinnati)
TE: Denzel Felder (Sr. 6’2 230)
LT: Kevin Towns (Sr. 6’4 290; Fordham offer)
LG: John Paul Schrieber (Sr. 6’3 280)
C: Lakeem Steele (Sr. 6’2 300; Merrimack)
RG: Christian Leonard (Jr. 6’5 310; Kentucky, Syracuse, UConn interest)
RT: Shane Toolan (Sr. 6’4 250; Temple offer)
::::::
LT: Khalil Stewart (Jr. 6’5 310; Penn State, Maryland, Kentucky offers). --> they moved Schrieber from tackle to guard, Toolan from tight end to tackle, and plugged in Felder at tight end to. account for no Stewart.

DE: Alex Haskell (So. 6’4 240; Penn State/West Virginia offers)
DT: Maxwell Roy (Jr. 6’4 270; Georgia/Michigan offers)
DT: Ivan Bailey-Greene (Sr. 5’10 250)
DE: Sean McNulty (Sr. 6’2 225)
LB: Cameron Smith (Jr. 6’1 195; Penn State/Michigan/Rutgers offers)
LB: Anthony Sacca (Jr. 6’4 220; Georgia/Ohio State/Penn State offers)
LB: Nick McGlynn (Sr. 6’2 225; Army)
DB: Omillio Agaard (Sr. 5’11 160; Wisconsin)
DB: Shamir Johnson (Sr. 6’0 170; Maryland offer)
DB: Ryan McDonald (Jr. 6’0 180)
DB: Brandon Lockley (Fr. 6'1 210)

 

[Nothing Special]

I might offer Brandon Lockley sight unseen. Freshman starter at that school!

 

[LB99]

I attended last weekend’s St. Joe’s Prep- Central Bucks South semifinal game. Unfortunately, I walked away with a much different perspective on the St. Joe’s coaches than I thought I would. I lost a lot of respect for them. It was evident from the opening kickoff that that Prep was a few levels above CB South in size, speed, and athleticism. I think everyone knew that going into the game, including the CB South program. If you look at the roster mentioned above and the offers those kids have, it’s easy to see that. However, the way the game was coached irritated a lot of people and only fueled the argument that this team didn’t belong in the PIAA. South struggled to move the ball the entire first half and found itself down 27-0 pretty quickly. Prep scored again with just a few minutes left in the first half to go up 33-0. This is where the questionable coaching started. Prep’s HC Tm Roken decided to go for 2 here, which they made to go up 35-0. I believe the mercy rule starts at 35, so I somewhat understand the decision, but it still didn’t seem to be in good taste. What followed further evidenced the poor taste choices. After going up 35-0, Prep kicks off to South with a very short amount of time left in the half. South runs three consecutive times in an attempt to run the clock out and get to halftime. Facing a 4th down with 58 seconds left in the first half, South is forced to either run another play or punt. Prep decides to call a timeout, which is met with a barrage of boos. South punts and prep get the ball back at midfield. Prep then runs a play which goes for a big gain, then they run up to the line and spike the ball to stop the clock again. They follow that with a pass or two into the endzone to score again and go up 42-0 with just 23 seconds left in the half. The Prep sideline and fans obnoxiously cheered as though they just took the lead in a tight game, which wasn’t even remotely the case. Now, some may say if you don’t like it, stop it, but that’s easier said than done when the offense is the caliber of the Prep players. It just seemed unnecessary and overdone. When you go into a game with a clear advantage, and the game heavily plays out in your favor, I’m not sure the best thing to do is rub the nose of the public school kids in it with your recruited roster from several states. I’m not sure what it is going to take for the PIAA to put these private schools into a classification by themselves, but this is prime example of why this system isn’t working. I’ll get off my soapbox now.

 

[Bison13]

I attended last weekend’s St. Joe’s Prep- Central Bucks South semifinal game. Unfortunately, I walked away with a much different perspective on the St. Joe’s coaches than I thought I would. I lost a lot of respect for them. It was evident from the opening kickoff that that Prep was a few levels above CB South in size, speed, and athleticism. I think everyone knew that going into the game, including the CB South program. If you look at the roster mentioned above and the offers those kids have, it’s easy to see that. However, the way the game was coached irritated a lot of people and only fueled the argument that this team didn’t belong in the PIAA. South struggled to move the ball the entire first half and found itself down 27-0 pretty quickly. Prep scored again with just a few minutes left in the first half to go up 33-0. This is where the questionable coaching started. Prep’s HC Tm Roken decided to go for 2 here, which they made to go up 35-0. I believe the mercy rule starts at 35, so I somewhat understand the decision, but it still didn’t seem to be in good taste. What followed further evidenced the poor taste choices. After going up 35-0, Prep kicks off to South with a very short amount of time left in the half. South runs three consecutive times in an attempt to run the clock out and get to halftime. Facing a 4th down with 58 seconds left in the first half, South is forced to either run another play or punt. Prep decides to call a timeout, which is met with a barrage of boos. South punts and prep get the ball back at midfield. Prep then runs a play which goes for a big gain, then they run up to the line and spike the ball to stop the clock again. They follow that with a pass or two into the endzone to score again and go up 42-0 with just a few seconds left in the half. The Prep sideline and fans obnoxiously cheered as though they just took the lead in a tight game, which wasn’t even remotely the case. Now, some may say if you don’t like it, stop it, but that’s easier said than done when the offense is the caliber of the Prep players. It just seemed unnecessary and overdone. When you go into a game with a clear advantage, and the game heavily plays out in your favor, I’m not sure the best thing to do is rub the nose of the public school kids in it with your recruited roster from several states. I’m not sure what it is going to take for the PIAA to put these private schools into a classification by themselves, but this is prime example of why this system isn’t working. I’ll get off my soapbox now.

I do find it funny that in a PIAA championship there are multiple kids on a team who do not live in the state.

The obvious answer is to do what we do here in Maryland and have only public schools in four classifications and the private schools do their own thing with regard to championships.

 

[LB99]

I do find it funny that in a PIAA championship there are multiple kids on a team who do not live in the state.

The obvious answer is to do what we do here in Maryland and have only public schools in four classifications and the private schools do their own thing with regard to championships.

I think this was proposed in the PIAA a few years ago, but has yet to come to fruition. I believe there is a bigger private school league on the east coast that includes a few of the high profile NJ schools. This is where I believe SJP belongs. Beating your chest and padding your stats by repeatedly beating up on public schools seems useless. Put your money where your mouth is and go play other schools with similar programs and recruiting to yours.

 

[Ironman2]

Mercy Rule by Prep.

I attended last weekend’s St. Joe’s Prep- Central Bucks South semifinal game. Unfortunately, I walked away with a much different perspective on the St. Joe’s coaches than I thought I would. I lost a lot of respect for them. It was evident from the opening kickoff that that Prep was a few levels above CB South in size, speed, and athleticism. I think everyone knew that going into the game, including the CB South program. If you look at the roster mentioned above and the offers those kids have, it’s easy to see that. However, the way the game was coached irritated a lot of people and only fueled the argument that this team didn’t belong in the PIAA. South struggled to move the ball the entire first half and found itself down 27-0 pretty quickly. Prep scored again with just a few minutes left in the first half to go up 33-0. This is where the questionable coaching started. Prep’s HC Tm Roken decided to go for 2 here, which they made to go up 35-0. I believe the mercy rule starts at 35, so I somewhat understand the decision, but it still didn’t seem to be in good taste. What followed further evidenced the poor taste choices. After going up 35-0, Prep kicks off to South with a very short amount of time left in the half. South runs three consecutive times in an attempt to run the clock out and get to halftime. Facing a 4th down with 58 seconds left in the first half, South is forced to either run another play or punt. Prep decides to call a timeout, which is met with a barrage of boos. South punts and prep get the ball back at midfield. Prep then runs a play which goes for a big gain, then they run up to the line and spike the ball to stop the clock again. They follow that with a pass or two into the endzone to score again and go up 42-0 with just 23 seconds left in the half. The Prep sideline and fans obnoxiously cheered as though they just took the lead in a tight game, which wasn’t even remotely the case. Now, some may say if you don’t like it, stop it, but that’s easier said than done when the offense is the caliber of the Prep players. It just seemed unnecessary and overdone. When you go into a game with a clear advantage, and the game heavily plays out in your favor, I’m not sure the best thing to do is rub the nose of the public school kids in it with your recruited roster from several states. I’m not sure what it is going to take for the PIAA to put these private schools into a classification by themselves, but this is prime example of why this system isn’t working. I’ll get off my soapbox now.

It can be hard to stop them when one team has players from outside the state and the other team's players are from one specific school district. No way prep should be allowed to play in the PIAA playoffs.

 

[Strick73]

Tough for a single community team to be competitive against a team with players from multiple states. Don’t know why the PIAA justifies this.

 

[Bwifan]

Tough for a single community team to be competitive against a team with players from multiple states. Don’t know why the PIAA justifies this.

Exactly then it goes up another notch if St Joe's were to come down here to Florida to take on IMG Academy with the best athletes from all over the country St Joe's would be the underdog against them

 

[LB99]

Exactly then it goes up another notch if St Joe's were to come down here to Florida to take on IMG Academy with the best athletes from all over the country St Joe's would be the underdog against them

Prep’s only loss this year was to IMG to kick off the season. 17-14.

 

[Alphalion75]

If anyone is remotely curious, here's the SJP starters. Got this off of PaPreps, props to Rover for the research.

QB: Samaj Jones (Sr. 6’1 210; Cincinnati)
RB: Isaiah West (Jr. 6’0 215; Wisconsin/Kentucky offer)
RB: Kahseim Phillips (Sr. 5’9 190; Towson)
RB: Erik Sanchez (Sr. 5’11 190; Temple offer)
WR: David Washington (Sr. 6’0 185; Kentucky)
WR: Brandon Rehmann (Sr. 6’0 185; West Virginia)
WR: Elijah Jones (Sr. 5’11 190; Cincinnati)
TE: Denzel Felder (Sr. 6’2 230)
LT: Kevin Towns (Sr. 6’4 290; Fordham offer)
LG: John Paul Schrieber (Sr. 6’3 280)
C: Lakeem Steele (Sr. 6’2 300; Merrimack)
RG: Christian Leonard (Jr. 6’5 310; Kentucky, Syracuse, UConn interest)
RT: Shane Toolan (Sr. 6’4 250; Temple offer)
::::::
LT: Khalil Stewart (Jr. 6’5 310; Penn State, Maryland, Kentucky offers). --> they moved Schrieber from tackle to guard, Toolan from tight end to tackle, and plugged in Felder at tight end to. account for no Stewart.

DE: Alex Haskell (So. 6’4 240; Penn State/West Virginia offers)
DT: Maxwell Roy (Jr. 6’4 270; Georgia/Michigan offers)
DT: Ivan Bailey-Greene (Sr. 5’10 250)
DE: Sean McNulty (Sr. 6’2 225)
LB: Cameron Smith (Jr. 6’1 195; Penn State/Michigan/Rutgers offers)
LB: Anthony Sacca (Jr. 6’4 220; Georgia/Ohio State/Penn State offers)
LB: Nick McGlynn (Sr. 6’2 225; Army)
DB: Omillio Agaard (Sr. 5’11 160; Wisconsin)
DB: Shamir Johnson (Sr. 6’0 170; Maryland offer)
DB: Ryan McDonald (Jr. 6’0 180)
DB: Brandon Lockley (Fr. 6'1 210)

They recruit very well.

 

[Alphalion75]

I attended last weekend’s St. Joe’s Prep- Central Bucks South semifinal game. Unfortunately, I walked away with a much different perspective on the St. Joe’s coaches than I thought I would. I lost a lot of respect for them. It was evident from the opening kickoff that that Prep was a few levels above CB South in size, speed, and athleticism. I think everyone knew that going into the game, including the CB South program. If you look at the roster mentioned above and the offers those kids have, it’s easy to see that. However, the way the game was coached irritated a lot of people and only fueled the argument that this team didn’t belong in the PIAA. South struggled to move the ball the entire first half and found itself down 27-0 pretty quickly. Prep scored again with just a few minutes left in the first half to go up 33-0. This is where the questionable coaching started. Prep’s HC Tm Roken decided to go for 2 here, which they made to go up 35-0. I believe the mercy rule starts at 35, so I somewhat understand the decision, but it still didn’t seem to be in good taste. What followed further evidenced the poor taste choices. After going up 35-0, Prep kicks off to South with a very short amount of time left in the half. South runs three consecutive times in an attempt to run the clock out and get to halftime. Facing a 4th down with 58 seconds left in the first half, South is forced to either run another play or punt. Prep decides to call a timeout, which is met with a barrage of boos. South punts and prep get the ball back at midfield. Prep then runs a play which goes for a big gain, then they run up to the line and spike the ball to stop the clock again. They follow that with a pass or two into the endzone to score again and go up 42-0 with just 23 seconds left in the half. The Prep sideline and fans obnoxiously cheered as though they just took the lead in a tight game, which wasn’t even remotely the case. Now, some may say if you don’t like it, stop it, but that’s easier said than done when the offense is the caliber of the Prep players. It just seemed unnecessary and overdone. When you go into a game with a clear advantage, and the game heavily plays out in your favor, I’m not sure the best thing to do is rub the nose of the public school kids in it with your recruited roster from several states. I’m not sure what it is going to take for the PIAA to put these private schools into a classification by themselves, but this is prime example of why this system isn’t working. I’ll get off my soapbox now.

St. Joe's is a good Pennsylvania private school. But they don't fair well when they play southern schools, including public schools. They traveled to Georgia over the past few years and lost to two public schools.

 

[TheBigUglies]

St. Joe's Prep should not be able to participate in the PIAA along with any other school that has students that are not a resident in a PA school district for at least they year prior to them playing for a PA school.

 

[Alphalion75]

If anyone is remotely curious, here's the SJP starters. Got this off of PaPreps, props to Rover for the research.

QB: Samaj Jones (Sr. 6’1 210; Cincinnati)
RB: Isaiah West (Jr. 6’0 215; Wisconsin/Kentucky offer)
RB: Kahseim Phillips (Sr. 5’9 190; Towson)
RB: Erik Sanchez (Sr. 5’11 190; Temple offer)
WR: David Washington (Sr. 6’0 185; Kentucky)
WR: Brandon Rehmann (Sr. 6’0 185; West Virginia)
WR: Elijah Jones (Sr. 5’11 190; Cincinnati)
TE: Denzel Felder (Sr. 6’2 230)
LT: Kevin Towns (Sr. 6’4 290; Fordham offer)
LG: John Paul Schrieber (Sr. 6’3 280)
C: Lakeem Steele (Sr. 6’2 300; Merrimack)
RG: Christian Leonard (Jr. 6’5 310; Kentucky, Syracuse, UConn interest)
RT: Shane Toolan (Sr. 6’4 250; Temple offer)
::::::
LT: Khalil Stewart (Jr. 6’5 310; Penn State, Maryland, Kentucky offers). --> they moved Schrieber from tackle to guard, Toolan from tight end to tackle, and plugged in Felder at tight end to. account for no Stewart.

DE: Alex Haskell (So. 6’4 240; Penn State/West Virginia offers)
DT: Maxwell Roy (Jr. 6’4 270; Georgia/Michigan offers)
DT: Ivan Bailey-Greene (Sr. 5’10 250)
DE: Sean McNulty (Sr. 6’2 225)
LB: Cameron Smith (Jr. 6’1 195; Penn State/Michigan/Rutgers offers)
LB: Anthony Sacca (Jr. 6’4 220; Georgia/Ohio State/Penn State offers)
LB: Nick McGlynn (Sr. 6’2 225; Army)
DB: Omillio Agaard (Sr. 5’11 160; Wisconsin)
DB: Shamir Johnson (Sr. 6’0 170; Maryland offer)
DB: Ryan McDonald (Jr. 6’0 180)
DB: Brandon Lockley (Fr. 6'1 210)

St.Joe's maybe the elite team in Pennsylvania but they don't fair very well against public schools in the south. A few years ago they lost to Marietta, Georgia, and before that Milton, Ga....both public schools.

 

[Relayer]

St.Joe's maybe the elite team in Pennsylvania but they don't fair very well against public schools in the south. A few years ago they lost to Marietta, Georgia, and before that Milton, Ga....both public schools.

....and two years ago they also lost to Mount Lebanon.

 

[Alphalion75]

....and two years ago they also lost to Mount Lebanon.

Well there you go.

 

[LB99]

They won 8 of the last 11 PIAA state championships in their classification.

PIAA football championship notebook: Despite criticism, St. Joseph's Prep coach proud of powerhouse team's achievements

Dec. 11—St. Joseph's Prep football has dominated the state's largest classification for over a decade, and the Philadelphia team's coach isn't about to apologize for the school's success.

lancasteronline.com

 

[Alphalion75]

They won 8 of the last 11 PIAA state championships in their classification.

PIAA football championship notebook: Despite criticism, St. Joseph's Prep coach proud of powerhouse team's achievements

Dec. 11—St. Joseph's Prep football has dominated the state's largest classification for over a decade, and the Philadelphia team's coach isn't about to apologize for the school's success.

lancasteronline.com

That's a nice record. Are you familiar with the records of Valdosta High in Georgia and Massillon in Ohio?