Staying or moving on, across college wrestling

[Tom McAndrew]

I just remembered that we usually have a thread after Nationals to identify wrestlers that are sticking around, moving on, etc. With the one year of added eligibility granted by the NCAA to athletes due to COVID, the dynamics are somewhat different (excluding last year).

Please use this thread to update us on those that have announced that they are staying and those that have announced that they are ending their college wrestling careers.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[AK1967]

Hope we get a similar tweet from RBY so he can cement his legacy and play a huge part of Cael’s 10th National Title at PSU.

 

[Lions1]

Max indicates he will return next season "I cannot wait to do it with you guys again next year"

 

[Got GSPs]

Max indicates he will return next season "I cannot wait to do it with you guys again next year"

Does Beard stay and challenge Max for the spot?

 

[clucas11]

Boom, one down and one to go. Wonder how his impacts Beard? How many years of eligibility does he have left? I'm guessing if only one after this year, he may bolt. If more than one, good chance he stays.

 

[Got GSPs]

Boom, one down and one to go. Wonder how his impacts Beard? How many years of eligibility does he have left? I'm guessing if only one after this year, he may bolt. If more than one, good chance he stays.

I think he would have more than one. Not sure if two or three...

 

[Bernard Shakey]

I think he would have more than one. Not sure if two or three...

So he gray shirted in 2019, red shirted in 2020, wrestled in 2021, but that was a free year, so only this year would count against his eligibility. So if he stuck around and doesn't start next year, he would still have 2 years of eligibility left after Max leaves. I think he does, historically we don't have many top level guys transfer out. Nicky 3 schools, but everyone knows the story/drama behind that and Teske, but I think that was more for personal reasons and wanting to be closer to his family. I might be paraphrasing or making this up entirely, but I thought I saw some interview from Cassar or Shak a few years back essentially saying that their goal is to be a National Champ. If they can't make the team, then they obviously aren't the best guy at the weight and staying a PSU gives them a better chance to accomplish that goal, even if it means riding the bench a few years.

 

[El_Jefe]

Boom, one down and one to go. Wonder how his impacts Beard? How many years of eligibility does he have left? I'm guessing if only one after this year, he may bolt. If more than one, good chance he stays.

In related news, Morgan McIntosh is homesick.

 

[El_Jefe]

Flo actually posted this for free -- non-paywalled:

Remaining years for all 330 national qualifiers.

2022 NCAA D1 Eligibility Tracker - FloWrestling

Tracking the years of eligibility left from the 2022 NCAA D1 national qualifiers

www.flowrestling.org

 

[El_Jefe]

I dumped that article + the PSWC individual points into a spreadsheet, and here are the way-too-early projected top 10 teams in 2023, based upon returning points:

Team	Returning Pts
Penn State	107.5
Oklahoma State	71.5
Arizona State	65.5
Minnesota	57.0
Missouri	57.0
Iowa	54.0
Cornell	52.0
Ohio State	44.0
Nebraska	44.0
Wisconsin	38.5
Virginia Tech	38.5

It's 2022 points for all returnees, plus 2021 pts for injured or shirting wrestlers who missed the 2022 postseason:
- PSU: Howard
- OKST: Ferrari, Wittlake
- Goofers: Lee
- Missouri: Mauller
- Iowa: Lee
- Nebraska: Dryden
- VT: Catka

Also assumes everyone with eligibility returns -- i.e., RBY is included with PSU.

Obviously subject to weight changes, transfers, incoming freshmen, etc.

 

[clucas11]

I dumped that article + the PSWC individual points into a spreadsheet, and here are the way-too-early projected top 10 teams in 2023, based upon returning points:

Team	Returning Pts
Penn State	107.5
Oklahoma State	71.5
Arizona State	65.5
Minnesota	57.0
Missouri	57.0
Iowa	54.0
Cornell	52.0
Ohio State	44.0
Nebraska	44.0
Wisconsin	38.5
Virginia Tech	38.5

It's 2022 points for all returnees, plus 2021 pts for injured or shirting wrestlers who missed the 2022 postseason:
- PSU: Howard
- OKST: Ferrari, Wittlake
- Goofers: Lee
- Missouri: Mauller
- Iowa: Lee
- Nebraska: Dryden
- VT: Catka

Also assumes everyone with eligibility returns -- i.e., RBY is included with PSU.

Obviously subject to weight changes, transfers, incoming freshmen, etc.

Michigan has All-American potential with all of the following:

Ragusin
Lewan
Amine
Parris

I'd venture a guess that they will be top 10. Totally understand your analysis is just based on the numbers.

 

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

Parris is gone?
I thought he had 1 more year

 

[Bernard Shakey]

Parris is gone?
I thought he had 1 more year

He does have 1 more year

 

[El_Jefe]

Michigan has All-American potential with all of the following:

Ragusin
Lewan
Amine
Parris

I'd venture a guess that they will be top 10. Totally understand your analysis is just based on the numbers.

Michigan was 14th = 36.5:
- Ragusin 2.0
- Lewan 10.0
- Amine 12.5
- Parris 12.0

I think they could slip into the very bottom ahead of Wisconsin/VT, but not much more than that.

I'm not sure how many more they'll get. Ragusin would have to get to 6th to significantly upgrade, with 5 placers + all 4 R12s returning. Lewan got a fortunate path. Amine is about where he should be. Parris needs to draw Cass or figure out Schultz to go further than this year. Of them, Parris is the only bonus threat.

They'll also return Mattin, Embree, and Striggow to the lineup -- those 3 combined probably round out any error in predicting the top 4 -- they probably don't combine for 10 pts.

 

[Michnit]

I think he would have more than one. Not sure if two or three...

Agreed, but not sure exactly how many

 

[jack66]

I'm not sure why Brucki wouldn't have another year.

Normally a 5th year Sr would be done, but with the covid year, we now see guys extending eligibility into their 6th year and beyond.

He and Spencer Lee both started in 2018. After wrestling 4 straight years then taking a RS this year, Spencer gets to come back for another season (his 5th competitive season). Brucki wrestled his 1st 3 years, took a RS last year, then wrestled this year (his 4th competitive season)

Does the fact that he didn't wrestle during the covid year mean he loses his chance at the same 5th year of competition everyone else seems to be getting?

Can someone help me out here?

 

[El_Jefe]

I'm not sure why Brucki wouldn't have another year.

Normally a 5th year Sr would be done, but with the covid year, we now see guys extending eligibility into their 6th year and beyond.

He and Spencer Lee both started in 2018. After wrestling 4 straight years then taking a RS this year, Spencer gets to come back for another season (his 5th competitive season). Brucki wrestled his 1st 3 years, took a RS last year, then wrestled this year (his 4th competitive season)

Does the fact that he didn't wrestle during the covid year mean he loses his chance at the same 5th year of competition everyone else seems to be getting?

Can someone help me out here?

That's a good question. Presumably because he shirted last year instead of competing.

 

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

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Does Cael have Nicholas for another year.

 

[WV lion]

I'm not sure why Brucki wouldn't have another year.

Normally a 5th year Sr would be done, but with the covid year, we now see guys extending eligibility into their 6th year and beyond.

He and Spencer Lee both started in 2018. After wrestling 4 straight years then taking a RS this year, Spencer gets to come back for another season (his 5th competitive season). Brucki wrestled his 1st 3 years, took a RS last year, then wrestled this year (his 4th competitive season)

Does the fact that he didn't wrestle during the covid year mean he loses his chance at the same 5th year of competition everyone else seems to be getting?

Can someone help me out here?

I think if you redshirted the covid year you lost the free year. I think that is why so many wrestlers that would have normally redshirted wrestled. I don't think you would have seen Bartlett or Howard if it wasn't a free year.

 

[jack66]

I think if you redshirted the covid year you lost the free year. I think that is why so many wrestlers that would have normally redshirted wrestled. I don't think you would have seen Bartlett or Howard if it wasn't a free year.

Could be, I think Nick Lee was set to RS also.

I guess if what you say is the true, Ivy schools got the short end of the stick.

 

[razpsu]

He does have 1 more year

So he wrestled against snyder then all years against Stevenson and still has eligibility. Is he like 33 now?

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

I’m going to add to the confusion. I read where athletes could receive an extra year of eligibility IN ADDITION TO the free year of eligibility. I thought to myself, could Carter Starocci become a 6-time champ (assuming a crazy level of continuing success)? So I called the NCAA. I did not get the most straightforward answer, but it seems that individual schools have some discretion to ADD an extra year of eligibility based on Covid circumstances. Based on all the variables provided to me by the NCAA rep, my takeaway was that Carter wouldn’t be a candidate for an extra year.

My best guess based on the conversation was that, depending on the sport/season, an athlete who may have competed and then was affected in some way by Covid could apply to his/her school for an EXTRA year of eligibility, but the decision to allow this or grant this is on a school-by-school basis.

Bottom line, we may have to settle for just a plain old 5-time champion.

 

[manatree]

So he wrestled against snyder then all years against Stevenson and still has eligibility. Is he like 33 now?

Coon wrestled against Snyder, not Parris.

 

[razpsu]

Coon wrestled against Snyder, not Parris.

Oh you are right. But it does seem lol or he has been there forever. I know they have 3 7th year guys

 

[Mrpinkac]

Oh you are right. But it does seem lol or he has been there forever. I know they have 3 7th year guys

Paris wrestled as a true freshman in 2019. With the 2021 not counting, 2023 is his last year

 

[ptomaselli]

Could be, I think Nick Lee was set to RS also.

I guess if what you say is the true, Ivy schools got the short end of the stick.

I guess that's why Dean left Cornell.

 

[J.E.B]

I dumped that article + the PSWC individual points into a spreadsheet, and here are the way-too-early projected top 10 teams in 2023, based upon returning points:

Team	Returning Pts
Penn State	107.5
Oklahoma State	71.5
Arizona State	65.5
Minnesota	57.0
Missouri	57.0
Iowa	54.0
Cornell	52.0
Ohio State	44.0
Nebraska	44.0
Wisconsin	38.5
Virginia Tech	38.5

It's 2022 points for all returnees, plus 2021 pts for injured or shirting wrestlers who missed the 2022 postseason:
- PSU: Howard
- OKST: Ferrari, Wittlake
- Goofers: Lee
- Missouri: Mauller
- Iowa: Lee
- Nebraska: Dryden
- VT: Catka

Also assumes everyone with eligibility returns -- i.e., RBY is included with PSU.

Obviously subject to weight changes, transfers, incoming freshmen, etc.

Wow... looks pretty competitive after PSU who is in a world of their own. I’m expecting plenty of portal action and a lot of freshmen getting quality mat time next year for many teams. It wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of Nits who have a redshirt do so next year...

 

[Tom McAndrew]