Tennessee in NCAA trouble (NOT)

[Harvard Gamecock]

NCAA Slams Tennessee With 18 Infractions Under Former Coach Jeremy Pruitt​

https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/...t-wife-staff-recuiting-violations-ncaa-report

Despite the 18 Level I violations—one of the highest totals in recent years considering LSU received eight Level 1s in March—the university was not hit with the “lack of institutional control,” largely because of its transparency and integrity in promptly handling the wrongdoing, NCAA documents say.

Call me simple minded, because I just don't get it.

 

[Rogue Cock]

NCAA Slams Tennessee With 18 Infractions Under Former Coach Jeremy Pruitt​

https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/...t-wife-staff-recuiting-violations-ncaa-report

Despite the 18 Level I violations—one of the highest totals in recent years considering LSU received eight Level 1s in March—the university was not hit with the “lack of institutional control,” largely because of its transparency and integrity in promptly handling the wrongdoing, NCAA documents say.

Call me simple minded, because I just don't get it.

Comparing this to the GaTech case, it sounds like the new paradigm is cooperate or suffer the consequences.

 

[Horseshoe04]

Makes you miss Butch Jones

 

[Gamecock122]

The UNC Cheaters fight like hell and butt heads with NCAA…nothing at all happens to them.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Makes you miss Butch Jones

 

[Horseshoe04]

The UNC Cheaters fight like hell and butt heads with NCAA…nothing at all happens to them.

I have been telling y’all about blue schools and the Ncaa being in udder fear of them for ages

 

[Psycock]

UcheaT at it again

 

[Rogue Cock]

The UNC Cheaters fight like hell and butt heads with NCAA…nothing at all happens to them.

Because the academic scandal at UNC wasn't an NCAA issue, it was a SACS issue.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I have been telling y’all about blue schools and the Ncaa being in udder fear of them for ages

SACA issue, not NCAA. NCAA has no authority over what courses schools offer their students.

 

[Horseshoe04]

SACA issue, not NCAA. NCAA has no authority over what courses schools offer their students.

No one dares cross or penalize the blue schools

 

[vacock]

SACA issue, not NCAA. NCAA has no authority over what courses schools offer their students.

What is SACA? What did they do to penalize unc?

 

[Sparklecity]

Meet the culprits in Jeremy Pruitt's Tennessee football recruiting scandal

Tennessee fired coach Jeremy Pruitt after uncovering serious recruiting violations in its football program. Here's what the NCAA discovered.

www.knoxnews.com

Drew Hughes named in this as well. Is he still on staff?

 

[Forkcock]

SACA issue, not NCAA. NCAA has no authority over what courses schools offer their students.

Giving athletes grades in order to keep them eligible won them championships.

 

[Spinal Tap]

Meet the culprits in Jeremy Pruitt's Tennessee football recruiting scandal

Tennessee fired coach Jeremy Pruitt after uncovering serious recruiting violations in its football program. Here's what the NCAA discovered.

www.knoxnews.com

Drew Hughes named in this as well. Is he still on staff?

Nope.

Drew Hughes is in his second season with the Jacksonville Jaguars as the team's player personnel coordinator. He brings more than a decade of experience leading personnel departments in the southeast.

He most recently served as the director of player personnel with the University of South Carolina in 2020. Previously he managed the recruiting efforts at the University of Tennessee and was the director of player personnel at Florida from 2014-17. Hughes held similar roles at North Carolina State in 2013 and Central Florida in 2012. He also served as a recruiting specialist at Alabama from 2007-11. Since 2012, Hughes has helped his teams prepare more than 40 NFL Draft picks, including 12 in the 2018 draft.
The Montgomery, Ala. native graduated from the University of Alabama in 2011. He and his wife, Rebekah, have one son, Rhett, and one daughter, Riley Anne.

 

[vacock]

NCAA Slams Tennessee With 18 Infractions Under Former Coach Jeremy Pruitt​

https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/...t-wife-staff-recuiting-violations-ncaa-report

Despite the 18 Level I violations—one of the highest totals in recent years considering LSU received eight Level 1s in March—the university was not hit with the “lack of institutional control,” largely because of its transparency and integrity in promptly handling the wrongdoing, NCAA documents say.

Call me simple minded, because I just don't get it.

“Most notably, the investigation found that he failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance in the football program and monitor staff, which encompasses all 18 violations.”
Sounds like institutional lack of control to me.

 

[Rogue Cock]

What is SACA? What did they do to penalize unc?

Pardon...was on my phone when I typed it....SACS (Southern Association of Colleges and Schools) the accrediting organization.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Giving athletes grades in order to keep them eligible won them championships.

Offered the classes to ALL students and some took the courses and didn't graduate as a result. USC could offer "Paint By Numbers for Beginners 101" and open it up to all students and the NCAA couldn't say a word about it.

 

[Rogue Cock]

“Most notably, the investigation found that he failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance in the football program and monitor staff, which encompasses all 18 violations.”
Sounds like institutional lack of control to me.

Used to be. GaTech got slammed for stonewalling the NCAA more than the failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. As I said the new paradigm.

Honestly, those charges sound similar to those that were leveled against us in 2012...the primary difference being the involvement of the HC.

 

[Forusc]

Giving athletes grades in order to keep them eligible won them championships.

NCAA ruled that did not give them competitive advantage.

 

[Rogue Cock]

NCAA ruled that did not give them competitive advantage.

That wasn't the NCAAs ruling. This was:
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"[T]he N.C.A.A. announced....that it could not punish the university or its athletics program because the “paper” classes were not available exclusively to athletes. Other students at North Carolina had access to the fraudulent classes, too.

Noting that distinction, the panel that investigated the case “could not conclude that the University of North Carolina violated N.C.A.A. academic rules,” the N.C.A.A. said in a statement."

 

[Gamecock122]

Because the academic scandal at UNC wasn't an NCAA issue, it was a SACS issue.

Ok pleas explain this, if the classes were fake (and understand they admitted as much) then they dont exist and nor does that beautiful “A’“ they received. Without those fake classes and high BS grades they cannot stay eligible. Not eligible means no play and no title….what am i missing on that issue.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Ok pleas explain this, if the classes were fake (and understand they admitted as much) then they dont exist and nor does that beautiful “A’“ they received. Without those fake classes and high BS grades they cannot stay eligible. Not eligible means no play and no title….what am i missing on that issue.

As I previously noted, the class was opened to ALL students to sign up for and many did. That becomes a SACS issue and takes it out of the purview of the NCAA. NCAA can't and doesn't get involved in how easy or hard a class is that is offered to all students.

IF is the class was only offered to athletes, then it is an NCAA issue.

 

[Gamecock122]

As I previously noted, the class was opened to ALL students to sign up for and many did. That becomes a SACS issue and takes it out of the purview of the NCAA. NCAA can't and doesn't get involved in how easy or hard a class is that is offered to all students.

IF is the class was only offered to athletes, then it is an NCAA

 

[vacock]

As I previously noted, the class was opened to ALL students to sign up for and many did. That becomes a SACS issue and takes it out of the purview of the NCAA. NCAA can't and doesn't get involved in how easy or hard a class is that is offered to all students.

IF is the class was only offered to athletes, then it is an NCAA issue.

So the classes counted even though it was a sham for all the students, not just the athletes. In other words SACS did nothing. I agree with the previous post that the credits should not count. It should not be used to calculate their GPA and maybe they fell below their credit hours to keep their scholarships.

 

[Prestonyte]

“Most notably, the investigation found that he failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance in the football program and monitor staff, which encompasses all 18 violations.”
Sounds like institutional lack of control to me.

The problem as always is the NCAA is too slow and the culprit is no longer the coach. They are punishing the right school but the wrong coach.
What is more disturbing about this is the coach's wife's involvement - getting your wife involved in cheating at your job is pretty low. Will he ever coach again?

 

[Rogue Cock]

So the classes counted even though it was a sham for all the students, not just the athletes. In other words SACS did nothing. I agree with the previous post that the credits should not count. It should not be used to calculate their GPA and maybe they fell below their credit hours to keep their scholarships.

Credits didn't count. There were a couple or more students who couldn't graduate because they didn't have the required credits after those were disallowed. The school reimbursed them for the class and paid for the additional classes....the remainder of the settlement was kept quiet to the best of may knowledge.

SACS did put UNC on academic probation for a year which did affect their academic standing. Was it enough? I didn't think so....I thought they should lose their accreditation for a year, but that will almost sink a school financially....it is sorta like the death penalty for sports.

 

[Whatever1]

Offered the classes to ALL students and some took the courses and didn't graduate as a result. USC could offer "Paint By Numbers for Beginners 101" and open it up to all students and the NCAA couldn't say a word about it.

If you actually believe that the NCAA wouldn't say something if South Carolina did the same thing based on their comments regarding the UNC case, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

 

[Rogue Cock]

If you actually believe that the NCAA wouldn't say something if South Carolina did the same thing based on their comments regarding the UNC case, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

Believe what you wish, but legally they can't. The university presidents which comprise the NCAA governing board never gave them that authority.

 

[Whatever1]

Believe what you wish, but legally they can't. The university presidents which comprise the NCAA governing board never gave them that authority.

Oh, ok. I'll sell you this property for $350,000. It is 3 bed, 2 bath with 1700 square ft. On a quarter acre lot overlooking the Atlantic in Wichita.

 

[vacock]

That was the penalty for, what, 18 years of basically fraud? They had to be politically correct due to the subject area.

 

[Rogue Cock]

That was the penalty for, what, 18 years of basically fraud? They had to be politically correct due to the subject area.

It obviously wasn't due to political correctness. UNC took a lot of heat because the school shut down the whole major the classes were in. From my understanding higher ups knew all about it, but did nothing (lack of proof), which may be why the punishment from SACS wasn't worse. The professor sounds more like a scapegoat although there is little doubt she was involved. There is a long article in the Chronicle of Higher Education on it.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Oh, ok. I'll sell you this property for $350,000. It is 3 bed, 2 bath with 1700 square ft. On a quarter acre lot overlooking the Atlantic in Wichita.

Hope you find someone as gullible as you then.

 

[Whatever1]

Hope you find someone as gullible as you then.

Hey, I'm not the one who believes the NCAA would do nothing to a non blue blood school. Talk about gullible.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Hey, I'm not the one who believes the NCAA would do nothing to a non blue blood school. Talk about gullible.

But you seem to believe that the NCAA has the authority to do anything in this matter. They simply do not.

 

[Whatever1]

But you seem to believe that the NCAA has the authority to do anything in this matter. They simply do not.

Just as it had no authority in anything related to Jerry Sandusky...you seem to believe that the hypocrital, money hungry organization that is the NCAA won't just ignore their own bylaws.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Just as it had no authority in anything related to Jerry Sandusky...you seem to believe that the hypocrital, money hungry organization that is the NCAA won't just ignore their own bylaws.

FYI, University Presidents ARE the governing board of the NCAA. It is not independant of the schools that comprise its membership.

Here is a article regarding the Sandusky/NCAA matter that explains the issue. In the UNC matter, NO school believes that the NCAA has any authority over its general curriculum (as there is a seperate organization that does have that authority) and would, without any doubt, challenge any proposed action and win.

Internal emails show NCAA discussing lack of authority to sanction Penn State over Sandusky

Internal NCAA emails released as part of a lawsuit over sanctions given to Penn State for the Jerry Sandusky scandal reveal that the organization doubted it had the authority to punish the school, even characterizing its attempts as a "bluff."

www.si.com