TFrank Analysis of the PSU loss to UMich

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The nature of the loss yesterday has a caused a lot of emotion as expected. Most of the posts, podcasts, etc are all pretty much emotional. Even Matt McGloin was pretty hard ball re the anger. Several sites talked about how Penn State recruiting is on par with UMich so this should not happen. On 247 they mentioned that the star rating of our players is on par with UMich.

We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.

It will be interesting to see how TFrank breaks down the game, especially the defense against the run. Even though we got dominated, the question is can this weakness be fixed in this season? Is it ability? Is it scheme? are there players that can be moved around or position changes? is is simply poor execution tackling? is it players playing the play incorrectly? How do we get bigger?
 

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The nature of the loss yesterday has a caused a lot of emotion as expected. Most of the posts, podcasts, etc are all pretty much emotional. Even Matt McGloin was pretty hard ball re the anger. Several sites talked about how Penn State recruiting is on par with UMich so this should not happen. On 247 they mentioned that the star rating of our players is on par with UMich.

We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.

It will be interesting to see how TFrank breaks down the game, especially the defense against the run. Even though we got dominated, the question is can this weakness be fixed in this season? Is it ability? Is it scheme? are there players that can be moved around or position changes? is is simply poor execution tackling? is it players playing the play incorrectly? How do we get bigger?
That was a poor excuse by JF, he has been the coach for 8 years and continually moves DE type bodies inside and doesn't play the big bodies we get (Brevard Cole) This is the Big 10 the one conference if you can't stop the run you are cooked! Michigan literally lined up and punched PSU in the mouth and there was no response. Getting the ball run down your throat is demoralizing and the worst way to get beat. Eldson was supposed to be a down hill thumper (Pop Warner maybe??) Yurich has not been an offensive genius and we are very unprepared offensively. I know you are never as bad as you seem but when was the last time during JF tenure we shut down a physical team who could only beat you if you let them cram the football down your throat for 4 brutal quarters, Illinois-no we lost Wisconsin-we won but they ran effectively, any trip to the Big House, Ohio State is the only team that gives us a balanced beat down SMH
 

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We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.
And when it was pointed out that there were big problems with the team despite the early wins against inferior competition it was dismissed with condescension and insults by many here.

The point was made that even though they beat team X it will not be the same against top competition.

Well, now we’ve hit the better competition. Everyone still think it’s not a problem?

The ‘get bigger’ statement made me think of the ‘run faster’ quote (by Narduzzi ???).
 

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The nature of the loss yesterday has a caused a lot of emotion as expected. Most of the posts, podcasts, etc are all pretty much emotional. Even Matt McGloin was pretty hard ball re the anger. Several sites talked about how Penn State recruiting is on par with UMich so this should not happen. On 247 they mentioned that the star rating of our players is on par with UMich.

We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.

It will be interesting to see how TFrank breaks down the game, especially the defense against the run. Even though we got dominated, the question is can this weakness be fixed in this season? Is it ability? Is it scheme? are there players that can be moved around or position changes? is is simply poor execution tackling? is it players playing the play incorrectly? How do we get bigger?
Based on the On3 Consensus, recruiting has been on par with Michigan since 2019 as it pertains to overall class ratings, at skill positions and for DB's. Despite the comparable overall rating, with the exception of an occasional Tengwall (who was injured pre-game yesterday) and Dennis-Sutton, PSU has clearly NOT recruited on the same level as Michigan along the OL and DL...again based on the On3 consensus, not a personal opinion.
 

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I’ve been asking how to get bigger for years, and I still have no answers. 😞
Hulk: A gamma radiation research scientist. After exposure and mutation to elevated gamma radiation levels, he becomes a huge green humanoid monster when enraged or agitated, and also had ability to grow larger in size and become stronger when angered in his Hulk form.
 
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It's simple -- getting blown off both sides of the line of scrimmage belies poor coaching and poor preparation. Not just Michigan, but you saw it against CMU and Northwestern too.

On the same campus -- yes, it's a different sport -- but Cael Sanderson recruits on a par with Iowa and Ohio State and wins national championships with superior coaching and superior preparation. It does happen in State College, but it's not happening in the football program.
 

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That was a poor excuse by JF, he has been the coach for 8 years and continually moves DE type bodies inside and doesn't play the big bodies we get (Brevard Cole) This is the Big 10 the one conference if you can't stop the run you are cooked! Michigan literally lined up and punched PSU in the mouth and there was no response. Getting the ball run down your throat is demoralizing and the worst way to get beat. Eldson was supposed to be a down hill thumper (Pop Warner maybe??) Yurich has not been an offensive genius and we are very unprepared offensively. I know you are never as bad as you seem but when was the last time during JF tenure we shut down a physical team who could only beat you if you let them cram the football down your throat for 4 brutal quarters, Illinois-no we lost Wisconsin-we won but they ran effectively, any trip to the Big House, Ohio State is the only team that gives us a balanced beat down SMH

Maybe it's just my imagination, but I think Franklin's preoccupation with chunk plays makes him overlook a key component in their creation - that being the ability to draw the defense up near the line of scrimmage to stop the bleeping run. This is college, you can still physically overwhelm a lot of teams. Those you can't at least have to respect the run. I will say this, for as frustrated as I was yesterday, the team still ran the ball from under center long after they would have abandoned it in previous years. That said, they are still suffering the effects from abandoning it for so long.
 

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This is still a 4-loss team on paper. Starting 5-0 made folks feel better and maybe they only lose 3, but the program isn’t good enough for the recruiting and resources present.

It needs to start with Pat Kraft. He must set the bar higher for this program and exercise reasonable accountability to get there.

Being totally uncompetitive against Michigan and OSU 4 of 5 years won’t cut it.
 

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With the experienced talent on the roster and coaching present, it’s a 4-loss team in 2022.

Nobody expected a great season this year given those factors. The 5-0 start may have masked some of that, but they’re in a rough stretch that will reframe how everyone feels about this season.
So the "on paper" phrase meant nothing and it's really just an opinion. I see a 10-2 team, as I have from the start of the season.
 

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So the "on paper" phrase meant nothing and it's really just an opinion. I see a 10-2 team, as I have from the start of the season.
The best talent on this roster is freshmen and sophomores. And the OL and DL are not Power 5 “high level” in terms of proven talent.

On paper, they’re not ready to win 10+ games. And everything discussed on this board is opinion. That’s why it’s fun!
 
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So the "on paper" phrase meant nothing and it's really just an opinion. I see a 10-2 team, as I have from the start of the season.
I see a win over Minny (especially if they don't have Morgan), a loss to OSU, then win 3 out of the final 4. Would not be surprised if they drop one to IN, MD, or even a crappy MSU team that always gives us fits, no matter what their record or how many starters they have injured.
 
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And when it was pointed out that there were big problems with the team despite the early wins against inferior competition it was dismissed with condescension and insults by many here.

The point was made that even though they beat team X it will not be the same against top competition.

Well, now we’ve hit the better competition. Everyone still think it’s not a problem?

The ‘get bigger’ statement made me think of the ‘run faster’ quote (by Narduzzi ???).
Yeppers. Brought up a bunch vs cmu and people were like, do you think he was showing all of his plays? Or as you said just wait until. Better competition. Or it wasn’t there because we beat them. Blah blah blah.
 

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I see a win over Minny (especially if they don't have Morgan), a loss to OSU, then win 3 out of the final 4. Would not be surprised if they drop one to IN, MD, or even a crappy MSU team that aways gives us fits, no matter what their record or how many starters they have injured.
I’m in that general camp. Throw in typical bowl game struggles and that may be the difference between 3 and 4 losses.

In all, not a disaster, but it won’t leaving fans feeling rosy about the trajectory of the program. So much rides on Allar for the next two years.
 

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It needs to start with Pat Kraft. He must set the bar higher for this program and exercise reasonable accountability
Kraft might be a good AD, but he was hired with a set of financial handcuffs and leg irons. The only thing that would motivate Franklin to accept a reduced buyout in order to leave State College is suffocating public pressure.
 

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The nature of the loss yesterday has a caused a lot of emotion as expected. Most of the posts, podcasts, etc are all pretty much emotional. Even Matt McGloin was pretty hard ball re the anger. Several sites talked about how Penn State recruiting is on par with UMich so this should not happen. On 247 they mentioned that the star rating of our players is on par with UMich.

We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.

It will be interesting to see how TFrank breaks down the game, especially the defense against the run. Even though we got dominated, the question is can this weakness be fixed in this season? Is it ability? Is it scheme? are there players that can be moved around or position changes? is is simply poor execution tackling? is it players playing the play incorrectly? How do we get bigger?

I think it's both ... They need to get bigger and stronger but also need better gap assignment and tackling. Their basic fundamentals are really lacking right now
 

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Franklin: coming out of sanctions we need time to build a team with star recruits not walk-one.
Franklin: We need to build depth we will not be elite until we build depth
Franklin: We are not big enough.
I am getting tired of the excuses. I wonder what it will be next year….We are a young team?
 

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That was a poor excuse by JF, he has been the coach for 8 years and continually moves DE type bodies inside and doesn't play the big bodies we get (Brevard Cole) This is the Big 10 the one conference if you can't stop the run you are cooked! Michigan literally lined up and punched PSU in the mouth and there was no response. Getting the ball run down your throat is demoralizing and the worst way to get beat. Eldson was supposed to be a down hill thumper (Pop Warner maybe??) Yurich has not been an offensive genius and we are very unprepared offensively. I know you are never as bad as you seem but when was the last time during JF tenure we shut down a physical team who could only beat you if you let them cram the football down your throat for 4 brutal quarters, Illinois-no we lost Wisconsin-we won but they ran effectively, any trip to the Big House, Ohio State is the only team that gives us a balanced beat down SMH

If CJF really does think it’s a size issue then I have a solution I’d like to propose and it’s something I’ve been saying for years. Stop recruiting kids that play different positions and converting them. Stop recruiting safeties to play LBer. Stop recruiting LBers to play DE and stop recruiting DE’s to play DT.
 

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Franklin: coming out of sanctions we need time to build a team with star recruits not walk-one.
Franklin: We need to build depth we will not be elite until we build depth
Franklin: We are not big enough.
I am getting tired of the excuses. I wonder what it will be next year….We are a young team?
We need better nutrition. A mister softee ice cream machine perhaps?
 
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If CJF really does think it’s a size issue then I have a solution I’d like to propose and it’s something I’ve been saying for years. Stop recruiting kids that play different positions and converting them. Stop recruiting safeties to play LBer. Stop recruiting LBers to play DE and stop recruiting DE’s to play DT.
this does seem to be a tendency. We also really seem to not recruit 1-tech DTs on defense, which is why there is no real backup to PJ Mustipher.

The UMich DE's were actually bigger than most of our DTs.
 
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The nature of the loss yesterday has a caused a lot of emotion as expected. Most of the posts, podcasts, etc are all pretty much emotional. Even Matt McGloin was pretty hard ball re the anger. Several sites talked about how Penn State recruiting is on par with UMich so this should not happen. On 247 they mentioned that the star rating of our players is on par with UMich.

We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.

It will be interesting to see how TFrank breaks down the game, especially the defense against the run. Even though we got dominated, the question is can this weakness be fixed in this season? Is it ability? Is it scheme? are there players that can be moved around or position changes? is is simply poor execution tackling? is it players playing the play incorrectly? How do we get bigger?
I don't know what 247 *ratings were or are but whomever is evaluating the OL recruits needs to be re-assigned.
We have at least 4 that aren't contributing at all.
 

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The nature of the loss yesterday has a caused a lot of emotion as expected. Most of the posts, podcasts, etc are all pretty much emotional. Even Matt McGloin was pretty hard ball re the anger. Several sites talked about how Penn State recruiting is on par with UMich so this should not happen. On 247 they mentioned that the star rating of our players is on par with UMich.

We have seen some issues n the earlier games this year where an opponent did run the ball more than expected. Maybe there is something going on there. JF for the first time talked about our team size on defense.

It will be interesting to see how TFrank breaks down the game, especially the defense against the run. Even though we got dominated, the question is can this weakness be fixed in this season? Is it ability? Is it scheme? are there players that can be moved around or position changes? is is simply poor execution tackling? is it players playing the play incorrectly? How do we get bigger?
I'm not sure the issues at WR can be fixed this year. I think it will have to come from the portal next year. Same with some OL and yea I'm done with Ivy league transfers on the line.
 

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Michigan Football Roster:
18 scholarship kids checking in at 300+ pounds
2022 Football Roster - University of Michigan Athletics (mgoblue.com)

Ohio State Football Roster:
16 scholarship kids checking in at 300+ pounds
Football Roster – Ohio State Buckeyes

Penn State Football Roster:
15 scholarship kids checking in at 300+ pounds
2022 Football Roster - Penn State University Athletics (gopsusports.com)

"Not being big enough" is, maybe, the silliest excuse to date.

Are Penn State's "big guys" as effective as those on other teams? That is a different question, obviously.
 

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Franklin: coming out of sanctions we need time to build a team with star recruits not walk-one.
Franklin: We need to build depth we will not be elite until we build depth
Franklin: We are not big enough.
I am getting tired of the excuses. I wonder what it will be next year….We are a young team?
Mister Excuse
 

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Michigan Football Roster:
18 scholarship kids checking in at 300+ pounds
2022 Football Roster - University of Michigan Athletics (mgoblue.com)

Ohio State Football Roster:
16 scholarship kids checking in at 300+ pounds
Football Roster – Ohio State Buckeyes

Penn State Football Roster:
15 scholarship kids checking in at 300+ pounds
2022 Football Roster - Penn State University Athletics (gopsusports.com)

"Not being big enough" is, maybe, the silliest excuse to date.

Are Penn State's "big guys" as effective as those on other teams? That is a different question, obviously.
They play like there coach coaches SOFT
 
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I’ve been asking how to get bigger for years, and I still have no answers. 😞
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On the Venn diagram of strange animal mating behaviors — from lobster golden showers to garter-snake orgies — duck sex is on the border between cartoonish and sadistic.

That’s right, our beloved mallards engage in some seriously disturbing mating behavior. The “dark side” of duck mating has its own chapter in the new book “The Evolution of Beauty: How Darwin’s Forgotten Theory of Mate Choice Shapes the Animal World — and Us” by Yale ornithology professor Richard O. Prum. It’s a controversial subject, earning notoriety in 2013 after news leaked that the federal government contributed $400,000 to study the mating habits of ducks — dubbed “duckpenisgate” by Mother Jones.

But Prum, recipient of a MacArthur “genius grant,” believes that understanding duck sex might better help us understand evolution. And it all begins with the duck penis.

Ducks, for one, are outliers within the avian population. Unlike 97 percent of birds, ducks have penises — super-long ones. They are among the best endowed (in terms of ratio of body to member) of all vertebrates. For example, the 1-pound, foot-long Argentinian lake duck has the longest of all with a member that is 4 inches longer than its body.

Duck penises regrow every mating season. Once the season ends, the penis begins to shrink and regress until it’s 10 percent of its full-grown size. They are stored inside the duck’s body, waiting to emerge only during copulation. “The process generally resembles a cross between using your arm to evert a sweater sleeve that is inside out and unfurling the soft, motorized roof of a convertible sports car with a hydraulic drive,” writes Prum.

And it only gets weirder.

The duck penis is not straight, but sppirals counterclockwise (!) from its base to its tip. The Muscovy duck penis completes six to 10 full twists over its 20-centimeter (7.8-inch) length.

“Like a selection of sex toys from a vending machine in a strange alien bar,” writes Prum, “duck penises come in ribbed, ridged and even toothy varieties” to hook into a female’s reproductive tract, which is as long and convoluted as the penis.

Female reproductive tracts are full of twists and turns or, as Prum puts it, “dead-end side pockets or cul-de-sacs,” and some spiral clockwise in the “opposite direction of the counter-clockwise spiraling duck penis.”

They may look cute, but experts say ducks have disturbing mating habits.Shutterstock
Here’s where evolutionary biology and mate selection comes in — and where the story gets dark. Many duck species skew male, meaning females can be pickier in their choice of mate. For a male duck to land a female, he must boast colorful plumage plus have an elaborate dance mating ritual and beautiful mating calls. In other words, he needs to be a beauty, plus a great singer and dancer.

Most males don’t measure up. So what’s a mediocre guy to do?

Forced copulations are “pervasively common in many species of ducks,” writes Prum. These are socially organized “gang rapes” that are “violent, ugly, dangerous and even deadly” and even sometimes end in the death of the female.

This represents a “selfish male evolutionary strategy that is at odds with the evolutionary interests of its female victims and possibly with the evolutionary interests of the entire species,” Prum writes. To spread their seed, these ducks are upsetting the natural order of selection.

But the females have mounted their own defense with an increasingly elaborate anatomy — including, in some cases, sharp turns in her reproductive canal that act almost as teeth, making it harder for ducks to inseminate during forced copulations.
“Male ducks had evolved penises that would enable them to force their way into an unwilling female’s ******, and the females in turn had evolved a new way — an anatomical mechanism — to counter the action of the explosive corkscrew erections of male ducks and prevent the males from fertilizing their eggs by force,” writes Plum.

This helps explain why duck vaginas are so elaborate and why duck penises have evolved to keep up — a kind of sexual evolution arms race called antagonistic coevolution.

It’s pretty depressing to know how those ducklings are made. But it’s not all bad, Prum adds. Some ducks and most birds have called off the arms race and dispensed with a penis entirely — no more forced copulations, no more elaborate reproductive tracts.

Instead, female and penis-less male birds rub their cloaca (openings that house testes or ovaries) together in what’s called a “cloacal kiss” — an act that shows the power of natural selection. And how both beauty and brutality guide evolution.
 

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And when it was pointed out that there were big problems with the team despite the early wins against inferior competition it was dismissed with condescension and insults by many here.

The point was made that even though they beat team X it will not be the same against top competition.

Well, now we’ve hit the better competition. Everyone still think it’s not a problem?

The ‘get bigger’ statement made me think of the ‘run faster’ quote (by Narduzzi ???).
The ‘we need to run faster’ comment was made by Dave Wannstadt at halftime of a Pitt game. When I heard James say we need to be bigger, that was the first thing I thought of.
 
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This is still a 4-loss team on paper. Starting 5-0 made folks feel better and maybe they only lose 3, but the program isn’t good enough for the recruiting and resources present.

It needs to start with Pat Kraft. He must set the bar higher for this program and exercise reasonable accountability to get there.

Being totally uncompetitive against Michigan and OSU 4 of 5 years won’t cut it.
Being 5-0 is a function of the schedule. Just look at the teams that start 3-0. Once you start to play the conference schedule things get sorted out. I think this was an 8 to 8.5 win team (predictions) from most "experts" before the year started. If anyone thought this was a playoff team....well LOL LOL
What this team can still be is 9-3, with some pretty good weapons for the next two years.
If PSU loses Saturday, It's gonna be another tailspin year (likely). If they can squeeze out a win they could be 10-3 or 9-4 which I believe is about what this talent equates to.
I'm not disappointed at all that they lost to Michigan. I'm disappointed in how they played. Let's see if they have any pride.
I know that people who want to be upset don't want to listen to facts but.......Penn State has not had a dominant football team since 1994. That's a long time ago. Perhaps there are more reasons than the current coach. I know that's difficult to consider.
 
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🤔

On the Venn diagram of strange animal mating behaviors — from lobster golden showers to garter-snake orgies — duck sex is on the border between cartoonish and sadistic.

That’s right, our beloved mallards engage in some seriously disturbing mating behavior. The “dark side” of duck mating has its own chapter in the new book “The Evolution of Beauty: How Darwin’s Forgotten Theory of Mate Choice Shapes the Animal World — and Us” by Yale ornithology professor Richard O. Prum. It’s a controversial subject, earning notoriety in 2013 after news leaked that the federal government contributed $400,000 to study the mating habits of ducks — dubbed “duckpenisgate” by Mother Jones.

But Prum, recipient of a MacArthur “genius grant,” believes that understanding duck sex might better help us understand evolution. And it all begins with the duck penis.

Ducks, for one, are outliers within the avian population. Unlike 97 percent of birds, ducks have penises — super-long ones. They are among the best endowed (in terms of ratio of body to member) of all vertebrates. For example, the 1-pound, foot-long Argentinian lake duck has the longest of all with a member that is 4 inches longer than its body.

Duck penises regrow every mating season. Once the season ends, the penis begins to shrink and regress until it’s 10 percent of its full-grown size. They are stored inside the duck’s body, waiting to emerge only during copulation. “The process generally resembles a cross between using your arm to evert a sweater sleeve that is inside out and unfurling the soft, motorized roof of a convertible sports car with a hydraulic drive,” writes Prum.

And it only gets weirder.

The duck penis is not straight, but sppirals counterclockwise (!) from its base to its tip. The Muscovy duck penis completes six to 10 full twists over its 20-centimeter (7.8-inch) length.

“Like a selection of sex toys from a vending machine in a strange alien bar,” writes Prum, “duck penises come in ribbed, ridged and even toothy varieties” to hook into a female’s reproductive tract, which is as long and convoluted as the penis.

Female reproductive tracts are full of twists and turns or, as Prum puts it, “dead-end side pockets or cul-de-sacs,” and some spiral clockwise in the “opposite direction of the counter-clockwise spiraling duck penis.”

They may look cute, but experts say ducks have disturbing mating habits.Shutterstock
Here’s where evolutionary biology and mate selection comes in — and where the story gets dark. Many duck species skew male, meaning females can be pickier in their choice of mate. For a male duck to land a female, he must boast colorful plumage plus have an elaborate dance mating ritual and beautiful mating calls. In other words, he needs to be a beauty, plus a great singer and dancer.

Most males don’t measure up. So what’s a mediocre guy to do?

Forced copulations are “pervasively common in many species of ducks,” writes Prum. These are socially organized “gang rapes” that are “violent, ugly, dangerous and even deadly” and even sometimes end in the death of the female.

This represents a “selfish male evolutionary strategy that is at odds with the evolutionary interests of its female victims and possibly with the evolutionary interests of the entire species,” Prum writes. To spread their seed, these ducks are upsetting the natural order of selection.

But the females have mounted their own defense with an increasingly elaborate anatomy — including, in some cases, sharp turns in her reproductive canal that act almost as teeth, making it harder for ducks to inseminate during forced copulations.


This helps explain why duck vaginas are so elaborate and why duck penises have evolved to keep up — a kind of sexual evolution arms race called antagonistic coevolution.

It’s pretty depressing to know how those ducklings are made. But it’s not all bad, Prum adds. Some ducks and most birds have called off the arms race and dispensed with a penis entirely — no more forced copulations, no more elaborate reproductive tracts.

Instead, female and penis-less male birds rub their cloaca (openings that house testes or ovaries) together in what’s called a “cloacal kiss” — an act that shows the power of natural selection. And how both beauty and brutality guide evolution.

ew do not want GIF by Arika Sato
 

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🤔

On the Venn diagram of strange animal mating behaviors — from lobster golden showers to garter-snake orgies — duck sex is on the border between cartoonish and sadistic.

That’s right, our beloved mallards engage in some seriously disturbing mating behavior. The “dark side” of duck mating has its own chapter in the new book “The Evolution of Beauty: How Darwin’s Forgotten Theory of Mate Choice Shapes the Animal World — and Us” by Yale ornithology professor Richard O. Prum. It’s a controversial subject, earning notoriety in 2013 after news leaked that the federal government contributed $400,000 to study the mating habits of ducks — dubbed “duckpenisgate” by Mother Jones.

But Prum, recipient of a MacArthur “genius grant,” believes that understanding duck sex might better help us understand evolution. And it all begins with the duck penis.

Ducks, for one, are outliers within the avian population. Unlike 97 percent of birds, ducks have penises — super-long ones. They are among the best endowed (in terms of ratio of body to member) of all vertebrates. For example, the 1-pound, foot-long Argentinian lake duck has the longest of all with a member that is 4 inches longer than its body.

Duck penises regrow every mating season. Once the season ends, the penis begins to shrink and regress until it’s 10 percent of its full-grown size. They are stored inside the duck’s body, waiting to emerge only during copulation. “The process generally resembles a cross between using your arm to evert a sweater sleeve that is inside out and unfurling the soft, motorized roof of a convertible sports car with a hydraulic drive,” writes Prum.

And it only gets weirder.

The duck penis is not straight, but sppirals counterclockwise (!) from its base to its tip. The Muscovy duck penis completes six to 10 full twists over its 20-centimeter (7.8-inch) length.

“Like a selection of sex toys from a vending machine in a strange alien bar,” writes Prum, “duck penises come in ribbed, ridged and even toothy varieties” to hook into a female’s reproductive tract, which is as long and convoluted as the penis.

Female reproductive tracts are full of twists and turns or, as Prum puts it, “dead-end side pockets or cul-de-sacs,” and some spiral clockwise in the “opposite direction of the counter-clockwise spiraling duck penis.”

They may look cute, but experts say ducks have disturbing mating habits.Shutterstock
Here’s where evolutionary biology and mate selection comes in — and where the story gets dark. Many duck species skew male, meaning females can be pickier in their choice of mate. For a male duck to land a female, he must boast colorful plumage plus have an elaborate dance mating ritual and beautiful mating calls. In other words, he needs to be a beauty, plus a great singer and dancer.

Most males don’t measure up. So what’s a mediocre guy to do?

Forced copulations are “pervasively common in many species of ducks,” writes Prum. These are socially organized “gang rapes” that are “violent, ugly, dangerous and even deadly” and even sometimes end in the death of the female.

This represents a “selfish male evolutionary strategy that is at odds with the evolutionary interests of its female victims and possibly with the evolutionary interests of the entire species,” Prum writes. To spread their seed, these ducks are upsetting the natural order of selection.

But the females have mounted their own defense with an increasingly elaborate anatomy — including, in some cases, sharp turns in her reproductive canal that act almost as teeth, making it harder for ducks to inseminate during forced copulations.


This helps explain why duck vaginas are so elaborate and why duck penises have evolved to keep up — a kind of sexual evolution arms race called antagonistic coevolution.

It’s pretty depressing to know how those ducklings are made. But it’s not all bad, Prum adds. Some ducks and most birds have called off the arms race and dispensed with a penis entirely — no more forced copulations, no more elaborate reproductive tracts.

Instead, female and penis-less male birds rub their cloaca (openings that house testes or ovaries) together in what’s called a “cloacal kiss” — an act that shows the power of natural selection. And how both beauty and brutality guide evolution.
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That's just quackers! Lol
 
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Hulk: A gamma radiation research scientist. After exposure and mutation to elevated gamma radiation levels, he becomes a huge green humanoid monster when enraged or agitated, and also had ability to grow larger in size and become stronger when angered in his Hulk form.
Hulk, ducks, say what?

It's whacky Monday again.

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If you look on Spotrac, PSU has 38 players on active NFL rosters, tied for 7th with Oklahoma, and one behind Michigan. On the lines, we have a total of 3 DT (Daquan Jones, Austin Johnson and Kevin Givens), 5 OL (Donovan Smith, Rasheed Walker, Ryan Bates, Will Fries, and Connor McGovern), and 4 DE (Nassib, Gross-Matos, Toney and Ebiketie). Pretty sure Donovan Smith was the only one picked in the 1st round.

For comparison, OSU has 13 OL, 6DE and 5 DT, Michigan with 10 OL, 3 DT and 7 DE. With all the talk about recruiting, we're not keeping up on the lines.
 

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On the Venn diagram of strange animal mating behaviors — from lobster golden showers to garter-snake orgies — duck sex is on the border between cartoonish and sadistic.

That’s right, our beloved mallards engage in some seriously disturbing mating behavior. The “dark side” of duck mating has its own chapter in the new book “The Evolution of Beauty: How Darwin’s Forgotten Theory of Mate Choice Shapes the Animal World — and Us” by Yale ornithology professor Richard O. Prum. It’s a controversial subject, earning notoriety in 2013 after news leaked that the federal government contributed $400,000 to study the mating habits of ducks — dubbed “duckpenisgate” by Mother Jones.

But Prum, recipient of a MacArthur “genius grant,” believes that understanding duck sex might better help us understand evolution. And it all begins with the duck penis.

Ducks, for one, are outliers within the avian population. Unlike 97 percent of birds, ducks have penises — super-long ones. They are among the best endowed (in terms of ratio of body to member) of all vertebrates. For example, the 1-pound, foot-long Argentinian lake duck has the longest of all with a member that is 4 inches longer than its body.

Duck penises regrow every mating season. Once the season ends, the penis begins to shrink and regress until it’s 10 percent of its full-grown size. They are stored inside the duck’s body, waiting to emerge only during copulation. “The process generally resembles a cross between using your arm to evert a sweater sleeve that is inside out and unfurling the soft, motorized roof of a convertible sports car with a hydraulic drive,” writes Prum.

And it only gets weirder.

The duck penis is not straight, but sppirals counterclockwise (!) from its base to its tip. The Muscovy duck penis completes six to 10 full twists over its 20-centimeter (7.8-inch) length.

“Like a selection of sex toys from a vending machine in a strange alien bar,” writes Prum, “duck penises come in ribbed, ridged and even toothy varieties” to hook into a female’s reproductive tract, which is as long and convoluted as the penis.

Female reproductive tracts are full of twists and turns or, as Prum puts it, “dead-end side pockets or cul-de-sacs,” and some spiral clockwise in the “opposite direction of the counter-clockwise spiraling duck penis.”

They may look cute, but experts say ducks have disturbing mating habits.Shutterstock
Here’s where evolutionary biology and mate selection comes in — and where the story gets dark. Many duck species skew male, meaning females can be pickier in their choice of mate. For a male duck to land a female, he must boast colorful plumage plus have an elaborate dance mating ritual and beautiful mating calls. In other words, he needs to be a beauty, plus a great singer and dancer.

Most males don’t measure up. So what’s a mediocre guy to do?

Forced copulations are “pervasively common in many species of ducks,” writes Prum. These are socially organized “gang rapes” that are “violent, ugly, dangerous and even deadly” and even sometimes end in the death of the female.

This represents a “selfish male evolutionary strategy that is at odds with the evolutionary interests of its female victims and possibly with the evolutionary interests of the entire species,” Prum writes. To spread their seed, these ducks are upsetting the natural order of selection.

But the females have mounted their own defense with an increasingly elaborate anatomy — including, in some cases, sharp turns in her reproductive canal that act almost as teeth, making it harder for ducks to inseminate during forced copulations.


This helps explain why duck vaginas are so elaborate and why duck penises have evolved to keep up — a kind of sexual evolution arms race called antagonistic coevolution.

It’s pretty depressing to know how those ducklings are made. But it’s not all bad, Prum adds. Some ducks and most birds have called off the arms race and dispensed with a penis entirely — no more forced copulations, no more elaborate reproductive tracts.

Instead, female and penis-less male birds rub their cloaca (openings that house testes or ovaries) together in what’s called a “cloacal kiss” — an act that shows the power of natural selection. And how both beauty and brutality guide evolution.
 
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We need better nutrition. A mister softee ice cream machine perhaps?
Hell no. The team has clearly had too much mister softer ice cream under Franklin.
The ‘we need to run faster’ comment was made by Dave Wannstadt at halftime of a Pitt game. When I heard James say we need to be bigger, that was the first thing I thought of.
Thanks. I new it had some Pitt connection. It was the first thing I thought of too. ;)
 
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