co-sign thisQuitting has consequences. Awful character flaws. The ones who encourage it are even worse. Awful. Just awful.
Why would you just play one half?and Nick E
Impressionable generation playing follow the leader (Cam Ward).Why would you just play one half?
Can't say that I blame them given what bowl games (without championship implications) have become.
THAT SAID, a potential fix to this is to have their NIL money tied to participation until the completion of the season. You want to voluntarily sit-out? No problem we understand. Just don't expect that last paycheck.
....and the consequence??? Some random guy on social media doesn't call them Good Gamecocks? I'm sure they are crushed.Quitting has consequences. Awful character flaws. The ones who encourage it are even worse. Awful. Just awful.
Whoah whoah there Mr Apologist! These guys are clearly quitters; ain’t a debate. But they were also portal rentals, so there wasn’t going to be any loyalty other than to themselves. We used them, they used us. Still, a rental usually finishes out the contract…these guys were pivotal to a 10-win season, and they didn’t finish the commitment. They suck. For real.....and the consequence??? Some random guy on social media doesn't call them Good Gamecocks? I'm sure they are crushed.
Not an apologist here. Just saying these temper tantrums on the heels of a loss mean nothing. They are gone. We lost. The season is over and we move on to next year. Never been impressed by the pressure tactics of fans. It's bullying. Didn't like it when I was growing up. Don't like it now. ... and it can have the opposite impact that you intend. I know I'm the type of guy that if I were on the fence and in a situation like a Kennard, etc., talk like this would make me leave just because I could. Pressure tactics never work on men. Men are stubborn. That's all I'm saying.Whoah whoah there Mr Apologist! These guys are clearly quitters; ain’t a debate. But they were also portal rentals, so there wasn’t going to be any loyalty other than to themselves. We used them, they used us. Still, a rental usually finishes out the contract…these guys were pivotal to a 10-win season, and they didn’t finish the commitment. They suck. For real.
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At the end of the day, this is the answer. Getting a contractual obligation if the bowl game is important to you. There are broken promises on both sides in this Wild, Wild West of college athletics right now. FSU's basketball coach is getting sued. Florida is getting sued and pretty soon some players, who don't have the money to pay a significant judgment will get sued. This is what all of this is going to come down to.There has to be some type of connection between NIL contracts and playing all the games. This option of sitting out is ridiculous with the amount of money this people are getting now. Before NIL, fine quit if you want to but I just don't think it is fair now. It is like getting your cake and eating it too....the rest of the party goers are just SOL.
Cute yes, but that was the game before last; all momentum lost for the off season in such a humiliating manner. Way to show up on national tv. Feels like the Ole Miss game again where Kiffin played with us. Maybe the NIL should pay for a bowl win, like $10K per player.Cute.
Rhymes with 17-14, so maybe you can have someone write you a song about it?
Cute yes, but that was the game before last; all momentum lost for the off season in such a humiliating manner. Way to show up on national tv. Feels like the Ole Miss game again where Kiffin played with us. Maybe the NIL should pay for a bowl win, like $10K per player.
People will just focus on CFP games nowCan't tie participation/performance to pay, as "pay-for-play" is "against the rules" (and can anyone tell me what the rules are? They seem to change every week with another court ruling).
This nonsense will play itself out at some point - they'll either have to install limitations on things to ensure sustainability/accountability or, if they don't, people with money will tire of wasting it on low-character kids conning them out of their money and close the wallets.
The consequence is your team losing. - But don't you worry, there will be the participation trophy crowd along shortly to coddle them, and their blatant selfishness..........and the consequence??? Some random guy on social media doesn't call them Good Gamecocks? I'm sure they are crushed.
It's not "bullying" - it's teaching a valuable life lesson - YOU DO NOT QUIT ON YOUR TEAM - EVER.....Not an apologist here. Just saying these temper tantrums on the heels of a loss mean nothing. They are gone. We lost. The season is over and we move on to next year. Never been impressed by the pressure tactics of fans. It's bullying. Didn't like it when I was growing up. Don't like it now. ... and it can have the opposite impact that you intend. I know I'm the type of guy that if I were on the fence and in a situation like a Kennard, etc., talk like this would make me leave just because I could. Pressure tactics never work on men. Men are stubborn. That's all I'm saying.
Amen!Can't say that I blame them given what bowl games (without championship implications) have become.
THAT SAID, a potential fix to this is to have their NIL money tied to participation until the completion of the season. You want to voluntarily sit-out? No problem we understand. Just don't expect that last paycheck for services unrendered.
Well that's the conundrum isn't it? These athletes are not crushed, because it's all about them. Screw everyone else.....and the consequence??? Some random guy on social media doesn't call them Good Gamecocks? I'm sure they are crushed.
The people you seem to be mad at are no longer a part of team. So, what does losing this game today really mean to a Rocket Sanders or a Kyle Kennard. Obviously not enough or they would have played. It's like continuously being mad at the girl that dumped you for another guy. What does she care or in this case what do they care. Just saying being this much in your feelings over people that obviously don't care is wasted energy.The consequence is your team losing. - But don't you worry, there will be the participation trophy crowd along shortly to coddle them, and their blatant selfishness......
Try all you want to, there is absolutely no excuse for quitting on your team - None. Ever.
People will just focus on CFP games now
Fans should have known that as we see players shout out their Middle Schools as much as they shout their college. For most, it's a pit stop to get where they really want to be for those that are good enough.Well that's the conundrum isn't it? These athletes are not crushed, because it's all about them. Screw everyone else.
You are not their Dad or their coach. You are being real dramatic right now.It's not "bullying" - it's teaching a valuable life lesson - YOU DO NOT QUIT ON YOUR TEAM - EVER.....
And quitters are not men. Never will be. You can spin this however you would like but in the very end, you are wrong. Flat out wrong.
That's a wonderful life lesson, isn't it??? I mean, the goal of college is to teach these young people.... right????? (yep)Well that's the conundrum isn't it? These athletes are not crushed, because it's all about them. Screw everyone else.
You must not have children or raised teenage children. Sometimes they don't listen. Sometimes, you have to get out of the way, let them bump their head and be there to dust them off as they learn the lesson.That's a wonderful life lesson, isn't it??? I mean, the goal of college is to teach these young people.... right????? (yep)
What is being taught to these young people today is just indefensible. Atrocious. Awful. Disgusting. But hey, as long as they're coddled in the end, that's all that matters to some.
2 sons. Aged 24 and 25. They're not quitters. I wouldn't allow thatYou must not have children or raised teenage children. Sometimes they don't listen. Sometimes, you have to get out of the way, let them bump their head and be there to dust them off as they learn the lesson.
Wow, good one. You must be a professional comedian. At least if I were gonna drink it I wouldn’t quit at the half way point. In the end, tonight’s L is for loser…Drink bleach.
Well it doesn’t appear to be happening to the CFP teamsSerious question - why would anyone think this sort of stuff won't affect the CFP? What's to keep a player from threatening to "opt-out" of a CFP game unless they give him enough additional money, a "ransom" if you will? There's no less health risk to them and they aren't paid bonuses for it, so it seems like a logical next tactic, especially for low-character, "It's all about me" characters who have zero disincentive to not do it, due to a lack of rules/consequences.
YETWell it doesn’t appear to be happening to the CFP teams
Good for you and your kids are not living in the same set of facts as these players. However, you would probably be lying if you said they did everything you told them. Most parents have that period where you are not their hero and they buck against your instruction. Mine are 24 and 20. One is a graduate of USC. The other has two more years. He is talking about going to get his MBA though. We butt heads because they are like me. They ask why about everything and they are not going to do it because I am Dad. That's life. So, the reason I am on you is because you don't know anything about these kids. You don't know their parents. You don't know their circumstances. Yet, you are making value judgments over a decision you don't like. What makes it worse is that is over a game. I know we all want to win, but allowing the actions of a 20 year old you don't know affect you this way says something about character going the other way. Just saying.2 sons. Aged 24 and 25. They're not quitters. I wouldn't allow that
Keep spinning. You're still wrong. I will never, ever, agree with you. You are flat out wrong. Period. Absolutely awful lesson to teach young people, You have come up with analogy and rationalization after analogy and rationalization and you will never be right.
Quitters are low character people - period. The end. There is no debate.
More rationalizations. I know they are low character quitters. That's all I need to know.Good for you. However, you would probably be lying if you said they did everything you told them. Most parents have that period where you are not their hero and they buck against your instruction. Mine are 24 and 20. One is a graduate of USC. The other has two more years. He is talking about going to get his MBA though. We butt heads because they are like me. They ask why about everything and they are not going to do it because I am Dad. That's life. So, the reason I am on you is because you don't know anything about these kids. You don't know their parents. You don't know their circumstances. Yet, you are making value judgments over a decision you don't like. What makes it worse is that is over a game. I know we all want to win, but allowing the actions of a 20 year old you don't know affect you this way says something about character going the other way. Just saying.
That was a good speech and all, but we aren't talking about some poor kids who need to protect themselves for the NFL money. They already have more money than I will ever have, so save me the boo-hoo BS about their circumstances!Good for you. However, you would probably be lying if you said they did everything you told them. Most parents have that period where you are not their hero and they buck against your instruction. Mine are 24 and 20. One is a graduate of USC. The other has two more years. He is talking about going to get his MBA though. We butt heads because they are like me. They ask why about everything and they are not going to do it because I am Dad. That's life. So, the reason I am on you is because you don't know anything about these kids. You don't know their parents. You don't know their circumstances. Yet, you are making value judgments over a decision you don't like. What makes it worse is that is over a game. I know we all want to win, but allowing the actions of a 20 year old you don't know affect you this way says something about character going the other way. Just saying.
Before it goes any further - let me just say this - I like you, adcoop....Good for you and your kids are not living in the same set of facts as these players. However, you would probably be lying if you said they did everything you told them. Most parents have that period where you are not their hero and they buck against your instruction. Mine are 24 and 20. One is a graduate of USC. The other has two more years. He is talking about going to get his MBA though. We butt heads because they are like me. They ask why about everything and they are not going to do it because I am Dad. That's life. So, the reason I am on you is because you don't know anything about these kids. You don't know their parents. You don't know their circumstances. Yet, you are making value judgments over a decision you don't like. What makes it worse is that is over a game. I know we all want to win, but allowing the actions of a 20 year old you don't know affect you this way says something about character going the other way. Just saying.
Only one that’s wrong here is you.It's not "bullying" - it's teaching a valuable life lesson - YOU DO NOT QUIT ON YOUR TEAM - EVER.....
And quitters are not men. Never will be. You can spin this however you would like but in the very end, you are wrong. Flat out wrong.
He’s right for once actually.The people you seem to be mad at are no longer a part of team. So, what does losing this game today really mean to a Rocket Sanders or a Kyle Kennard. Obviously not enough or they would have played. It's like continuously being mad at the girl that dumped you for another guy. What does she care or in this case what do they care. Just saying being this much in your feelings over people that obviously don't care is wasted energy.
i didn't say that. Actually, I was saying the opposite. With that money comes a level of freedom where the social rules that we all live by don't apply. You think a father working a regular 9-5 can really make his football playing son that is already making more than him to play in his last college game so he can honor the lesson of not quitting. That child could simply tell you to go to that Hot place we all talk about. Agents are in his ear. Girls. Hangers-on. All having more influence than the parent. My point is that it is folly to judge a position that you have never been in yourself. Yes, you can be mad. Yes, you can not like it, but it is very little you can do about it besides not watching the sports anymore. Feel free to do that, but hollering on a message board is whistling in the wind.That was a good speech and all, but we aren't talking about some poor kids who need to protect themselves for the NFL money. They already have more money than I will ever have, so save me the boo-hoo BS about their circumstances!