The death of college football is upon us

[18IsTheMan]

The feds have joined the lawsuit seeking to eliminate transfer rules entirely. If the feds are in on it, it’s toast. Notably, they refer to the “labor market” of college football.

Federal government joins lawsuit seeking to eliminate NCAA transfer rules

The federal government on Thursday announced it would join a multi-state lawsuit in an effort to bring competition for college athletes.

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[Yard_Pimps]

More of “the sky is falling” from chicken little.

 

[18IsTheMan]

More of “the sky is falling” from chicken little.

No, just an observation of the obvious.

you’re obviously not the kind to pay attention, but to get you up to speed, one-time transfers have been wreaking havoc on the sport. Unlimited transfers will be catastrophic.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

No, just an observation of the obvious.

you’re obviously not the kind to pay attention, but to get you up to speed, one-time transfers have been wreaking havoc on the sport. Unlimited transfers will be catastrophic.

I’m well aware what’s going on we just have a difference of opinion on what it’s doing. I hope they allow it because it will make this wrecking ball swing that much faster. I’m all for making them employees with profit sharing. Bring on a players union and negotiations. It’s the only way it legally gets fixed. I’m perfectly fine with that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I’m well aware what’s going on we just have a difference of opinion on what it’s doing. I hope they allow it because it will make this wrecking ball swing that much faster. I’m all for making them employees with profit sharing. Bring on a players union and negotiations. It’s the only way it legally gets fixed. I’m perfectly fine with that.

But that’s not college football so you aren’t a college football fan, so why are you even here? Are.

But that just goes to prove the point.

Not to mention that making them employees is not feasible under the framework they are going for. They want student athletes who can come and go as they please.

 

[KingWard]

But that’s not college football so you aren’t a college football fan, so why are you even here? Are.

But that just goes to prove the point.

Not to mention that making them employees is not feasible under the framework they are going for. They want student athletes who can come and go as they please.

He's messing with you. I've been at this a long time. You can't kid a kidder.

 

[Prestonyte]

With the direction this country is heading, college football is the least of our worries.

 

[CockofEarle…]

The feds have joined the lawsuit seeking to eliminate transfer rules entirely. If the feds are in on it, it’s toast. Notably, they refer to the “labor market” of college football.

Federal government joins lawsuit seeking to eliminate NCAA transfer rules

The federal government on Thursday announced it would join a multi-state lawsuit in an effort to bring competition for college athletes.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

It’ll outlive me.

 

[Guy in the Back]

Our federal government is a joke. Why is this even their concern?

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

I’m well aware what’s going on we just have a difference of opinion on what it’s doing. I hope they allow it because it will make this wrecking ball swing that much faster. I’m all for making them employees with profit sharing. Bring on a players union and negotiations. It’s the only way it legally gets fixed. I’m perfectly fine with that.

Players Union? They're college kids playing ball. It's not their career. What's going on now perfectly illustrates the adage if it ain't broke, don't fix it. They have irreparably broken CFB.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

Our federal government is a joke. Why is this even their concern?

It's all about unions and redistribution of wealth. It's also about distraction.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

But that’s not college football so you aren’t a college football fan, so why are you even here? Are.

But that just goes to prove the point.

Not to mention that making them employees is not feasible under the framework they are going for. They want student athletes who can come and go as they please.

That’s your opinion that’s not college football. Things change. Willingness to accept that change and go with the flow doesn’t make me less of a fan. That’s a pretty stupid take. Both can co exist. And if you think it can’t than…. Well bye. That’s what is going to happen. Coaches are already calling for it.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

He's messing with you. I've been at this a long time. You can't kid a kidder.

Not at all. I strongly believe in the things I said. I am all for profit sharing.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Our federal government is a joke. Why is this even their concern?

Labor laws shouldn’t be their concern, interesting.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Players Union? They're college kids playing ball. It's not their career. What's going on now perfectly illustrates the adage if it ain't broke, don't fix it. They have irreparably broken CFB.

They are not kids they are adults. If you want it to be fixed that’s your only option. It gives the colleges back some power.

 

[18IsTheMan]

For those interested in reading the DOJ filing: https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1334371/dl?inline

Essentially a dismantling of college athletics, major college athletics anyway.

Whatever sport emerges from this ash heap, it won't be college football. It'll sill be branded "college football" but those of us with at least one brain cell (that excludes one of the posters above....) will know otherwise.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It’ll outlive me.

Not in any form that's recognizable to anyone who has been a true college football fan.

 

[cockyferg]

I’m well aware what’s going on we just have a difference of opinion on what it’s doing. I hope they allow it because it will make this wrecking ball swing that much faster. I’m all for making them employees with profit sharing. Bring on a players union and negotiations. It’s the only way it legally gets fixed. I’m perfectly fine with that.

I hope that means you're perfectly fine with us having even less of a chance of ever being successful than we've ever been

 

[DeBoer31]

The feds have joined the lawsuit seeking to eliminate transfer rules entirely. If the feds are in on it, it’s toast. Notably, they refer to the “labor market” of college football.

Federal government joins lawsuit seeking to eliminate NCAA transfer rules

The federal government on Thursday announced it would join a multi-state lawsuit in an effort to bring competition for college athletes.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

You are absolutely correct .... despite what the naysayers will say in this thread.
It will only get worse, and yes, the language used is a big part of the problem....and very telling. Much like the last five years a lot of entitled people and politically-aligned BS backs this overall play. It's funny nobody is wanting Pop Warner kids to get paid $84 a year based off the annual tickets sales to games. This is typical greed with a touch of welfare mentality thrown in and it is ruining and will ultimately ruin the sport.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I hope that means you're perfectly fine with us having even less of a chance of ever being successful than we've ever been

He's not a college football fan.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Not in any form that's recognizable to anyone who has been a true college football fan.

But you could say that football in 2019 wasn't recognizable to "true college football fans" of the 1990's. And the same could be said of the 90's for the fans of the 70's. It's always been changing as the money grew.

First no one made any money - it was a part of campus life that the schools paid for. Then only the schools made money as they raked in money from boosters, fans, TV, conferences, etc. Then the coaches started getting their share (and then some) - so you had the schools and coaches making money. (Even then people were mad at coaches for making so much - they were supposed to be doing it for the love of shaping young men into adults.) Now there is so much money it's finally trickled down to the kids. Now everyone will get a piece of the pie. Game is still the same.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

He's not a college football fan.

lol as if you get to make that determination.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Our federal government is a joke. Why is this even their concern?

They are just joining the suit - it's the states that are spearheading this (and it's an almost even split of red and blue states).

 

[DeBoer31]

I’m well aware what’s going on we just have a difference of opinion on what it’s doing. I hope they allow it because it will make this wrecking ball swing that much faster. I’m all for making them employees with profit sharing. Bring on a players union and negotiations. It’s the only way it legally gets fixed. I’m perfectly fine with that.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. These words that have been said hundreds/thousands of times in media and by idiot current and former players and supporters like: Employees, Profit-Sharing, Slavery, business, brands, player unions, etc.
What a gd joke. In five years we will have numerous headlines around former college football players being fined, maybe jailed for non payment of taxes, assets repossessed, etc. This is all part of the redistribution of wealth and modern day reparations that recent societal groups/movements championed. In other words- a modern day stick-up without the ski mask.

 

[18IsTheMan]

But you could say that football in 2019 wasn't recognizable to "true college football fans" of the 1990's. And the same could be said of the 90's for the fans of the 70's. It's always been changing as the money grew.

First no one made any money - it was a part of campus life that the schools paid for. Then only the schools made money as they raked in money from boosters, fans, TV, conferences, etc. Then the coaches started getting their share (and then some) - so you had the schools and coaches making money. (Even then people were mad at coaches for making so much - they were supposed to be doing it for the love of shaping young men into adults.) Now there is so much money it's finally trickled down to the kids. Now everyone will get a piece of the pie. Game is still the same.

Totally false on all counts.

Had college football changed from the 1990s to 2019? Of course. The game changed from the 1970s to the 1990s as well. But it still retained the same basic underpinnings that made it college football. For sure, by 2019, some of the rot had begun to set in and you could see the identity of the sport being eroded away. Nevertheless, it was still clinging to some vestiges of its past.

With these changes, anything that made college football recognizable as college football is being wiped away.

But I know some people simply exist to take the contrary point of view on every issue. You could replace the football with a stuffed animal and play the game on a triangular field and some like your post would say "ahhh, you're an alarmist. it's still college football."

 

[18IsTheMan]

lol as if you get to make that determination.

It's apparent you're not. It's like saying your favorite pizza restaurant is a restaurant that sells only tacos. You may love the tacos and tell yourself that it's delicious pizza, but it doesn't change the reality that it's not pizza.

But if folks can't tell a boy and girl apart these days, I suppose it should not be surprising that others can't identify college football.

 

[ToddFlanders]

I’m well aware what’s going on we just have a difference of opinion on what it’s doing. I hope they allow it because it will make this wrecking ball swing that much faster. I’m all for making them employees with profit sharing. Bring on a players union and negotiations. It’s the only way it legally gets fixed. I’m perfectly fine with that.

100%. Some people have been conditioned to freak out upon the mere mention of the word "union" (and it's usually people that aren't getting paid enough because they have no bargaining power, but that's for another "non sports" thread).

But I totally agree: a union, with a collective bargaining agreement, is the only way this gets solved. Then you can have uniform rules across the country on payments, transfers, etc. And it will be air tight and legal.

It will actually make college football look more like the past than ever. Then everyone will have an "even playing field" (at least on paper) - and the NCAA can go back to their job of going after those providing extra benefits.

 

[18IsTheMan]

100%. Some people have been conditioned to freak out upon the mere mention of the word "union" (and it's usually people that aren't getting paid enough because they have no bargaining power, but that's for another "non sports" thread).

But I totally agree: a union, with a collective bargaining agreement, is the only way this gets solved. Then you can have uniform rules across the country on payments, transfers, etc. And it will be air tight and legal.

It will actually make college football look more like the past than ever. Then everyone will have an "even playing field" (at least on paper) - and the NCAA can go back to their job of going after those providing extra benefits.

What you describe is not feasible within the framework proposed in the lawsuit. Obviously.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Totally false on all counts.

Had college football changed from the 1990s to 2019? Of course. The game changed from the 1970s to the 1990s as well. But it still retained the same basic underpinnings that made it college football. For sure, by 2019, some of the rot had begun to set in and you could see the identity of the sport being eroded away. Nevertheless, it was still clinging to some vestiges of its past.

With these changes, anything that made college football recognizable as college football is being wiped away.

But I know some people simply exist to take the contrary point of view on every issue. You could replace the football with a stuffed animal and play the game on a triangular field and some like your post would say "ahhh, you're an alarmist. it's still college football."

Ok, then it will be different. And better. Next season will be the most anticipated, most watched and most exciting season in history - garnering interest from even the casual sports fan. The 12 team playoff (which I'm not for, but understand the ramifications), will change everything and boost interest in the game while they figure out all this fallout from "O'Bannon."

 

[ToddFlanders]

What you describe is not feasible within the framework proposed in the lawsuit. Obviously.

Of course it is. Groups can collectively bargain for any number of rules that go against traditional statutory and common law protections for employees. Just look at the professional sports leagues - most of those rules in the CBA wouldn't be allowed outside of an agreement between the employers and the unions.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Ok, then it will be different. And better. Next season will be the most anticipated, most watched and most exciting season in history - garnering interest from even the casual sports fan. The 12 team playoff (which I'm not for, but understand the ramifications), will change everything and boost interest in the game while they figure out all this fallout from "O'Bannon."

Not arguing any of those points.

It just won't be college football once these changes take root.

Watch it. Love it. Support it. But it's not college football.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Of course it is. Groups can collectively bargain for any number of rules that go against traditional statutory and common law protections for employees. Just look at the professional sports leagues - most of those rules in the CBA wouldn't be allowed outside of an agreement between the employers and the unions.

You're misunderstanding the issue. As usual.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. These words that have been said hundreds/thousands of times in media and by idiot current and former players and supporters like: Employees, Profit-Sharing, Slavery, business, brands, player unions, etc.
What a gd joke. In five years we will have numerous headlines around former college football players being fined, maybe jailed for non payment of taxes, assets repossessed, etc. This is all part of the redistribution of wealth and modern day reparations that recent societal groups/movements championed. In other words- a modern day stick-up without the ski mask.

Needs some tinfoil? Also I can’t think of a better place to learn about taxes.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

It's apparent you're not. It's like saying your favorite pizza restaurant is a restaurant that sells only tacos. You may love the tacos and tell yourself that it's delicious pizza, but it doesn't change the reality that it's not pizza.

But if folks can't tell a boy and girl apart these days, I suppose it should not be surprising that others can't identify college football.

Well that’s like your opinion man. After looking up all the definitions to the words college football fan I’m 100% positive I check all those boxes.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

100%. Some people have been conditioned to freak out upon the mere mention of the word "union" (and it's usually people that aren't getting paid enough because they have no bargaining power, but that's for another "non sports" thread).

But I totally agree: a union, with a collective bargaining agreement, is the only way this gets solved. Then you can have uniform rules across the country on payments, transfers, etc. And it will be air tight and legal.

It will actually make college football look more like the past than ever. Then everyone will have an "even playing field" (at least on paper) - and the NCAA can go back to their job of going after those providing extra benefits.

I’m glad someone gets it other than me. Blows my mind that the Supreme Court basically all but unanimously agreed that taking NIL was unconstitutional and against the law, but people would still suppress these adults rights. All for the sake of what they believe college football should be.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I’m glad someone gets it other than me. Blows my mind that the Supreme Court basically all but unanimously agreed that taking NIL was unconstitutional and against the law, but people would still suppress these adults rights. All for the sake of what they believe college football should be.

I'm gonna step out and let y'all get a room haha

 

[ToddFlanders]

I’m glad someone gets it other than me. Blows my mind that the Supreme Court basically all but unanimously agreed that taking NIL was unconstitutional and against the law, but people would still suppress these adults rights. All for the sake of what they believe college football should be.

It's funny how some people are ascribing all of their enjoyment of college football to the players playing for free. As if that's the only reason they watched. Rooting for your alma mater - meaningless. All of the wonderful Fall Saturdays with friends and family at the games, or watching on tv - not important. Tailgating - only fun if the players don't get paid. Taunting your rivals - how can you think of a rivalry when the left guard is going to get a small piece of a huge pie?

I'll enjoy it regardless of the tax bracket the players are in.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. These words that have been said hundreds/thousands of times in media and by idiot current and former players and supporters like: Employees, Profit-Sharing, Slavery, business, brands, player unions, etc.
What a gd joke. In five years we will have numerous headlines around former college football players being fined, maybe jailed for non payment of taxes, assets repossessed, etc. This is all part of the redistribution of wealth and modern day reparations that recent societal groups/movements championed. In other words- a modern day stick-up without the ski mask.

Do you work for free? When you get paid do you call that a "redistribution of wealth," or do you call it "getting paid?"

 

[Deleted11512]

Apparently a lot of people need to hear this: College football is not dying. It died when TV networks figured out they could make massive amounts of money televising every game. It died when school officials figured out they could make massive amounts of money selling tickets for "amateur" events. College football hasn't been "amateur" for decades. The schools just needed everyone to keep believing that so they could keep all the money. One of the more impressive scams in our country's history if you ask me.

This past year the vast majority of programs increased their attendance. Viewership had a huge increase as well. Whatever you want to call it, it's more popular than it's been in a long time, and doesn't seem to be losing popularity any time soon.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Not arguing any of those points.

It just won't be college football once these changes take root.

Watch it. Love it. Support it. But it's not college football.

Only by your definition which I hate to break it to you, means nothing. The masses will continue given that viewership in 2023 was among the highest it’s ever been. But it’s ok chicken little the sky will still be up there in the morning.