The difference between MSU baseball and Ole Miss/USM baseball.....

[Goat 4 Eva]

If we were in Ole Miss's position, we'd get in the tournament.<div>
</div><div>If we were in USM's position, we'd be hosting a regional.</div><div>
</div><div>End of story.</div>

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

If we were in Ole Miss's position, we'd get in the tournament.<div>
</div><div>If we were in USM's position, we'd be hosting a regional.</div><div>
</div><div>End of story.</div>

 

[patdog]

For most of the last decade they've actually had pretty decent programs. Truth hurts. Guess which one of the 3 programs has gone longest without hosting a regional. That's the end of the story.</p>

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I doubt we'd be in the tournament with Ole Miss's resume...

 

[Todd4State]

that Ole Miss doesn't get a bid. It wouldn't shock me if they didn't, though.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

Mississippi State is viewed as a baseball school. Ole Miss and Southern are not. No matter what they've done the last decade.<div>
</div><div>There's a reason we got to host the super regional in 2007, and can get in the tournament without making Hoover. </div><div>
</div><div>All things being equal, we get the nod over them every time. People still recognize MSU baseball as better than anything Ole Miss or Southern can offer.</div>

 

[patdog]

We're not and we haven't been for a long time. UM and USM are both known as baseball schools just as much asMSU is these days, if not more so.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

nm

 

[patdog]

If Arkansas isn't hosting with thier resume, I highly doubt we'd be hosting with a worse one. And, while I do think we might get a bid with UM's resume, I think they probably will too. That's my opinion, and this post shows why I'm right.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

and where did Arkansas come from? I'm talking about USM, who's been in the hosting talk all season until now. I definitely think we host if we had USM's resume. Like I said, MSU baseball gets the nod when all things are equal.

 

[inforeb]

+++

 

[jacksonreb1]

one, to help you better understand college baseball the super regional hosts are based on the results of the regionals. there is very little "picking' there if any. you won your regional and got the super host spot designated.

and two, by your "logic" then ole miss is the football school based on our long past "history" and msu is not. if your opinion on baseball is correct, then you must agree with that. since i'm not holding my breath on that one, i'll figure the argument on baseball is over.

patdog has it right. and while it won't stem the flames, yes i realize the football argument is bogus.

 

[jacksonreb1]

deserve a bid. if we do get in, great but i'm not holding my breath and won't be righteously indignant if we're left out.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

no doubt at all. Problem is, Ole Miss hasn't really won anything in a long long time. MSU baseball just went to Omaha 4 years ago, and has been 3 times in the last 20 years. <div>
</div><div>That's why the football argument is not bogus - it's just apples to oranges.</div><div>
</div><div>And it definitely doesn't hurt that we've got a big stadium and big fanbase - and many people credit MSU baseball for being the first in alot of things in college baseball. We still own most attendance records - MSU is just a house hold name recognizable in the game.......just like Archie Manning, John Vaught and Ole Miss. That tradition is why the Grove is so popular.</div><div>
</div><div>In the end, both gaps have closed, but MSU is still the baseball program and Ole Miss is still the football program in the State of Mississippi. No matter how equal their current on-the-field accomplishments may be.</div>

 

[Orpheus]

If we were in Ole Miss's position, we'd get in the tournament.<div>
</div><div>If we were in USM's position, we'd be hosting a regional.</div><div>
</div><div>End of story.</div>

USM lost it's #2 and #3 pitchers. USM lost it's best player in Koelling and one of it's best players in Doleac. If MSU lost the same and fell apart at the end of the season, they would not be hosting either.

 

[Orpheus]

Mississippi State is viewed as a baseball school. Ole Miss and Southern are not. No matter what they've done the last decade.<div>
</div><div>There's a reason we got to host the super regional in 2007, and can get in the tournament without making Hoover. </div><div>
</div><div>All things being equal, we get the nod over them every time. People still recognize MSU baseball as better than anything Ole Miss or Southern can offer.</div>

This is USM's ninth straight trip to the NCAA's, with a trip to Omaha thrown in that streak. This is MSU's first trip in four years. You are living in the past. Facts don't come anywhere close to backing up your comment.

 

[patdog]

history, fan support, etc. as we do. If they didn't host with their resume, no way we would host with USM's resume (which was worse than Arkansas). The fact they put us as a #3 seed despite a #30 RPI shows that they're not really inclined to do us a lot of favors because we're a "baseball school."

 

[engie]

The Mississippi school are all 3 "baseball schools" on the national radar, and are considered top 30ish programs, even when the wheels fall off. State has the longer tradition, yes...and also the longest run of mediocrity. I could go further on this topic, but I'll save it for another thread.

This year's selection committee doesn't appear to have taken the fiscal effects into account. It's either a nice "pure" approach or fiscally irresponsible, depending on your viewpoint on the matter. Personally I'm shocked that "on the bubble" Ole Miss and LSU teams got left out. The NCAA will lose a considerable amount of money for not including them while giving St John's, etc...a bid. Without knowing/looking at numbers, I'd go as far as to say that those schools would bring the same money/people to a road regional that half of these regional hosts will bring to their home series. This is another reason it's shocking to me that Arky isn't hosting...

Regional/SuperRegional host sites are based on "bids" by the school to the NCAA, basically saying "we can bring in this much money, so we will pay this to host." We didn't get the Super Regional in 07 by default, we outbid Clemson for it(they were the more highly ranked team). Rightly so, with the crowds that show up at Dudy Noble for such events. In the past, anytime we finished in the top 25, I'd feel good about hosting for this reason*assuming OM or USM wasn't more highly rated at the time*.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

<div>You are living in the past. Facts don't come anywhere close to backing up your comment.</div>

Well no ****. In the past, we've been the better baseball school. The future's looking bright too. We'll likely be the superior team Friday. <div>
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[RougeDawg]

in a ****** Conference USA year in and year out, than it is to compete in one of the most talendrich leagues in the country. CUSA only has 4 teams with winning records. The talent discrepancy between the two leagues is apparent. If MSU played in CUSA, we'd probably be hosting at least every other year.

 

[Orpheus]

in a ****** Conference USA year in and year out, than it is to compete in one of the most talendrich leagues in the country. CUSA only has 4 teams with winning records. The talent discrepancy between the two leagues is apparent. If MSU played in CUSA, we'd probably be hosting at least every other year.

And on the other hand, if USM had MSU's SEC money and ability to recruit players to play in the SEC, we probably would have won the CWS by now. We swept a highly rated Florida at their house three years ago to get to the CWS. That door swings both ways.

 

[Orpheus]

<div>You are living in the past. Facts don't come anywhere close to backing up your comment.</div>

Well no ****. In the past, we've been the better baseball school. The future's looking bright too. We'll likely be the superior team Friday. <div>
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That's why they play the game, to see who the best team is.

 

[RougeDawg]

as well as and sometimes better thanMSU.I'm from the coast originally so I keep up with USM pretty closely. For instance, Vollmuth, State barely looked at him. I think that is a big mistake.State barely recruits south of I-20 and I think that is a huge mistake as well. USM has done well IMO in the recruiting lately. There is plenty of talent in South Mississippi and Southern Alabama that MS State, for some reason, thinks they are "not worth" recruiting. I was just stating the depths of the conference competition.

 

[patdog]

we'd have been out of the tournament the last 3 years anyway. And we'd still have only 1 CWS appearance in the last 12 years. CUSA was down this year, but for most of the past decade it's been a pretty decent baseball conference. We'll have our hands full Friday (I'm betting we lose), but we should win the rematchin the 1stSunday game.

 

[KurtRambis4]

that regional sites are selected based on bids, the committee has stated that this isn't the case (and hasn't been for the last 4 years).

 

[lxadawg]

You mean FSU?

 

[Bubba Ray Eagle]

Rouge, I went to both MSU and graduated from USM. Love both schools, but support the Eagles more. You mention that CUSA is not equal to the SEC in baseball. I agree, but think that CUSA is coming on fast, reference Ron Polk's comments on this subject last wk., and you do need to remember that CUSA went 15-14 against the SEC this yr in mid wk games. And don't come with that **** that CUSA throws their studs against the SEC in mid wk. games. Doesn't happen. no difference than with you guys. Good Luck in Atlanta except against the Golden Eagles. My last yr at MSU was in '68. My favorite spot there was a beer joint up toward West Point, named Lenlews. Is it still there? If not, MSU students don't know what they're missing.

 

[Todd4State]

as far as recruiting the coast:

Wes Rea- Harrison Central
Jonathan Holder- Gulfport
Jacob Lindgren- St. Stanislaus
Next year, we will also likely get Myles Gentry from Gulfport as well.

We've also gotten several players from the southern part of the state and from south Alabama- Daryl Norris, Hunter Renfroe, Demarcus Henderson, and we will likely get Chase Domino from Fairhope as well.

Recruiting Mississippi was an issue with the previous staff period.

 

[Todd4State]

Heck, he has at least three players that were either MSU recruits of players- I'm pretty sure he considered them "SEC caliber" even though they weren't except for Patrick Palmeiro. But most of them sucked. He also said that he was the athletic director of baseball at MSU and that Greg Byrne didn't know what he was doing. I would certainly take his comments with a grain of salt- just like I would take advice from a patient at Whitfield with a grain of salt.

I don't see how a conference can say that they're catching up to the SEC when three of the schools don't even play baseball. Two of the schools are in Texas and one is in Oklahoma- not exactly baseball dead regions.

Also, I went to the C-USA tournament and saw USM, Tulane, Houston, and ECU play. If those teams were in the SEC, they would be in the bottom half of the league. They have a few players that could play in the SEC, sure- but it's more than a few pitchers that those teams are lacking. Vanderbilt, Florida, and South Carolina would have probably swept any team in C-USA and would have done no worse than two out of three on a bad weekend.

I disagree with Polk- the difference is the athleticism in the SEC. If MSU or Ole Miss were in C-USA, they would finish somewhere between 1-3 in the conference. And I'm talking about this year. Most of the teams I saw reminded me of Tennessee or Kentucky. I think USM and Rice were the better teams I saw- ECU didn't impress me at all. I'm giving USM a pass because I know about their pitching situation. Tulane should be a lot better than they are. UAB is on the way up, and I'm not sure what to make of Memphis. They had a better year than usual, but I'm not sold on them long term.

 

[patdog]

it's that he doesn't have a 17ing clue what an SEC baseball player looks like.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Just calling a spade a spade.

When have you ever finished 10th in the SEC with a bubble RPI and made the field?

USM had an RPI of 20 and finished as the 2 seed in CUSA. You might have a bit of an argument about the USM thing, but even with that type of resume, you'd have been a bubble team for hosting at best.

ETA: If LSU, with better tradition and better support than you with a better resume than ours got left out of the field, I guarantee you wouldn't have come close to making the field with our resume.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

ETA: If LSU, with better tradition and better support than you

Shouldn't you be trying to tear down your real rival, instead of building them up?

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

that doesn't want to "be mean" to his players.<div>
</div><div>I'm pretty sure Ron Polk knows a thing or two about college baseball in the SEC. Geez.</div>

 

[Todd4State]

and not have been mean to them.

Watch the MLB draft this year and see how many players we have that get drafted vs last year and also how many recruits that we have that get drafted vs Polk's last year.

For the record, last year we had three guys- Whitney, Conner Powers, and Jet Butler. Four if you want to include Forrest Moore.

In Polk's last class, he had one guy drafted out of high school- and that was Devin Jones. The only other player on the team that was drafted out of high school when Cohen took over was the now infamous Forrest Moore- and he probably only got drafted because his Dad threatened to sue the scout.

This year, I'm thinking that Jones, Routt, possibly Wes Thigpen, Vickerson, possibly Parks, Ogden, Jaron, and possibly Brownlee. Jones, Brownlee, and Routt were Polk recruits, but they spent their entire career under Cohen. We will have no fewer than three guys out of our current class that get drafted and probably somewhere between 3-5 for this year.

 

[State82]

he had a good interview with Eric Sorenson of collegebaseballtoday.com. He said that the committee never even looked at the bid amounts submitted for regionals. I think the minimum is in the $30,000 range or so. He said LSU used to submit ridiculous bids and pretty much hosted for years because of it. Not so anymore. Money amounts have no bearing when it comes to site selection. And when you think about it, those sums are paltry when compared to the money generated by football, basketball, and most of all, tv contracts. Even ticket sales to baseball are inconsequential when compared to the big college sports picture. In baseball, the NCAA is only concerned with fairness and equality across the board now. That being said, it is still my favorite.

 

[dawgstudent]

I catch myself listening to him more and more.

 

[Todd4State]

as well.

I do agree with you about the NCAA trying to be fair across the board with baseball. But, it seems like some years they end up putting teams that really don't deserve to be in and water down the tournament in the name of fairness. See St. John's.

I wish the NCAA would just come to terms with the fact that college baseball will never be popular in the north and that it is always going to be stronger in the south and west.