A fumble forward out of bounds anywhere else on the field. goes back to the spot of the fumble and the offensive team keeps the ball. So if they change the rule, it would be the Chiefs ball at the 1 yard line.
You’re oversimplifying it of course to try to make your point. But the two are not the same. The sideline and the end zone aren’t the same in many ways not just this one
Where the ball was last possessed. Just because it bounced out of their endzone should not automatically change possessions. Personally, I think all fumbles should return to the point the offensive guy fumbled it if it is not recovered or the offense recovers it. No advancement should be allowed on offense.
The one that was really negative for us was the the one against Arkansas at home.
Yeah, in Mullen’s 2nd year in OT? That really sucked. But, the Pigs weren’t nearly as bad as Maine at that point, like they are now.***
The 20....so it would be like a 20 yard penalty. Defense is rewarded for causing the fumble out of bounds but offense keeps the ball 1st and goal from the 20.
Vic Ballard approves too (against Arkansas, I think). Cost us a bowl game that year.
Yeah was at that game. Wasn't it Vic Ballard or someone like him trying to reach the ball out to the goal line marker?
It’s a goofy rule that was put in because of the Raiders Holy Roller incident but it contradicts the no advancement on a forward rolling fumble rule.
Ball dead behind the goal line one of only three things can result. Touchdown, touchback, safety. Makes perfect sense. The offense literally put the ball out of bounds behind the goal line, and people think that shouldn't matter. I don't get that. A grounded fumble touched by the defense (edited to add. touched in the field of play) that goes out of bounds behind the goal line would be a safety.
This. There is a specific reason the rule exists and why it's different there versus some arbitrary place within the field of play.
I am sure it was because you can try to fumble into the endzone and get a better spot
Once they made the rule that a fumble that goes out of bounds forward is placed at the spot of the fumble and is retained by the offense, that should also hold true here. That rule changed because of the famous Raiders fumble forward play. So that whole touchback rule was in place to discourage the offense from intentionally fumbling into the endzone when it was legal. The problem was if it was 4th down, it was worth the risk and that brought on the spot of the fumble rule. Now if you fumble backwards, the ball is placed there but you keep possession. This even happens if you fumble backwards into your endzone, the ball is actually retained by the offense where it went out, but it is a safety because that is what happens when an offensive play ends in your own endzone.
Once they made the rule that a fumble that goes out of bounds forward is placed at the spot of the fumble and is retained by the offense, that should also hold true here. That rule changed because of the famous Raiders fumble forward play. So that whole touchback rule was in place to discourage the offense from intentionally fumbling into the endzone when it was legal. The problem was if it was 4th down, it was worth the risk and that brought on the spot of the fumble rule. Now if you fumble backwards, the ball is placed there but you keep possession. This even happens if you fumble backwards into your endzone, the ball is actually retained by the offense where it went out, but it is a safety because that is what happens when an offensive play ends in your own endzone.
We beat Michigan in the Gator Bowl that year. The Arkansas game cost us a Cotton Bowl
The object of the game is to put the ball behind your opponent's goal line while in your possession. I think the fumble rule you are talking about is the 4th down rule where only the player who fumbles may advance a fumble on 4th down. The fumble forward out of bounds back to the spot of the fumble is unrelated because this rule concerns balls dead behind the goal line. That is a special class of dead ball. It is behind a goal line. The literal object of the game. It can only be a touchdown, safety, or touchback. Touchdown and safety make no sense since the offense put to ball behind the goal line but don't possess it. Using the philosophy that yall seem to be advocating if you kick the ball out of the endzone, you should tee it back up and rekick from the same spot since a free kick or scrimmage kick is a type of offensive play (you are advancing the ball).
