The Jim Harbaugh Model vs. the James Franklin Model

[LookSharp]

As you know Jim Harbaugh took a 50% pay cut to remain Michigan's head coach. Along with it he ceded authority and hired new assistants. The result: a playoff appearance. Contrast it to what Sandy did. She went the other way. She gave Franklin more money and therefore, more authority. Beginning today we're about to find out if it's the right decision.

Lastly, here's a shout out to #9 McCarthy of Michigan. He's the real deal. In him Michigan has a Ryan Day slayer.

 

[Nitt1300]

Georgia dismantles Michigan in Orange Bowl to set up rematch with Alabama for national title​

Georgia dismantles Michigan in Orange Bowl to set up rematch with Alabama for national title (yahoo.com)

 

[Nittlionfan1991]

As you know Jim Harbaugh took a 50% pay cut to remain Michigan's head coach. Along with it he ceded authority and hired new assistants. The result: a playoff appearance. Contrast it to what Sandy did. She went the other way. She gave Franklin more money and therefore, more authority. Beginning today we're about to find out if it's the right decision.

Lastly, here's a shout out to #9 McCarthy of Michigan. He's the real deal. In him Michigan has a Ryan Day slayer.

Do you think mighty Jim offered the pay cut? He has all the bells and whistles at his disposal (that we are now trying to play catch up) and was being paid crazy money for good but not great result. Michigan finally realized running through coaches was getting them nowhere. They made the right call and committed to stability. Penn State on the other hand had results greater than their commitment (or lack there of) to the program. We want Alabama results but were running a program with funding closer to the American Conference than the Big Ten. Sure Franklin’s pay was up there but everything else was not. This extension speaks more to committing to be Alabama from a program perspective than the money to Franklin. Stop trying to compare head coaches and compare programs. This is what Franklin has been fighting for.

 

[GrimReaper]

Do you think mighty Jim offered the pay cut? He has all the bells and whistles at his disposal (that we are now trying to play catch up) and was being paid crazy money for good but not great result. Michigan finally realized running through coaches was getting them nowhere. They made the right call and committed to stability. Penn State on the other hand had results greater than their commitment (or lack there of) to the program. We want Alabama results but were running a program with funding closer to the American Conference than the Big Ten. Sure Franklin’s pay was up there but everything else was not. This extension speaks more to committing to be Alabama from a program perspective than the money to Franklin. Stop trying to compare head coaches and compare programs. This is what Franklin has been fighting for.

You do know that PSU's football budget isn't that much less than OSU's? Well, now you do.

 

[NittanyBuff]

Not sure about models, but would like to be in the Playoffs someday..

 

[bbb2021]

Let's be honest, Michigan caught lightening in a bottle this year. They won close games against Nebraska and PSU that they could have very easily lost and even Rutgers played them tight. As for the Michigan - OSU game - the OSU staff just blew it and will simmer for a whole year thinking about it - just like the PSU staff. So before crowning Harbaugh as the next Nick Saban, let's see how 2022 plays out. Have a feeling there will be a few teams waiting on them next year - especially their game in Columbus.

But I will say this - I'm really glad for the Georgia beatdown last night. I know a few Michigan fans and their chest thumping and bragging over the last few weeks were just unreal. Definitely the worst I've ever experienced by any fan base.

 

[PSUFTG]

He has all the bells and whistles at his disposal (that we are now trying to play catch up) and was being paid crazy money for good but not great result. Michigan finally realized running through coaches was getting them nowhere. They made the right call and committed to stability. Penn State on the other hand had results greater than their commitment (or lack there of) to the program. We want Alabama results but were running a program with funding closer to the American Conference than the Big Ten. Sure Franklin’s pay was up there but everything else was not. This extension speaks more to committing to be Alabama from a program perspective than the money to Franklin. Stop trying to compare head coaches and compare programs. This is what Franklin has been fighting for.

Penn State pays their Head Coach more than Michigan does. They pay their staff more than Michigan does. They spend more on total football budget than Michigan does. They have spent more on football facilities than Michigan has. Penn State has run through 5 Offensive Coordinators - at ever increasing salaries - in the last 7 years. By every revenue and spending metric Penn State is Top Ten in the nation. Franklin's new "long term commitment contract" will have lower buy-out restrictions two years from now than his previous 6 year contract (which still had 4+ years to run) had attached - a 4+ year "commitment" that had him and his agent, once again, playing the free-agent-give-me-more game.

But, yes, obviously, other than all that, you're exactly right. I get it.

So - what is, obviously, missing?

 

[Bvillebaron]

You do know that PSU's football budget isn't that much less than OSU's? Well, now you do.

Citation?

 

[Bvillebaron]

Penn State pays their Head Coach more than Michigan does. They pay their staff more than Michigan does. They spend more on total football budget than Michigan does. They have spent more on football facilities than Michigan has. Penn State has run through 5 Offensive Coordinators - at ever increasing salaries - in the last 7 years. By every revenue and spending metric Penn State is Top Ten in the nation. Franklin's new "long term commitment contract" will have lower buy-out restrictions two years from now than his previous 6 year contract (which still had 4+ years to run) had attached - a 4+ year "commitment" that had him and his agent, once again, playing the free-agent-give-me-more game.

But, yes, obviously, other than all that, you're exactly right. I get it.

So - what is, obviously, missing?

A clue by you. Before he took a pay cut in lieu of being fired, Harbaugh was the highest paid coach in the Big Ten. You can look it up.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

I will say this - I'm really glad for the Georgia beatdown last night. I know a few Michigan fans and their chest thumping and bragging over the last few weeks were just unreal. Definitely the worst I've ever experienced by any fan base.

I disagree based on the board (have we seen a Wolverine fan here since the move?) and social media friends. Most of them I know were thrilled to end the losing streak (who wouldn't), I didn't see any gloating.

I found it strange. Buckeye fans were super annoying until that loss. Very quiet since.

 

[Ceasar]

I am not sure Harbaugh ceded authority, though that has been a media talking point for the past month. Onthe other hand, he cleaned out some of the dead wood on the coaching staff such as Brown and Mattison.. I believe I heard UM had 6 new assistant coaches this year. Ryan Day did the same when he took over from Meyer. This reinforces my belief that "we" tend to make excuses for PSU with respect to narratives such as Trautwein needs time to get his own players, Clifford had yet another new OC, etc...

 

[Nittlionfan1991]

You do know that PSU's football budget isn't that much less than OSU's? Well, now you do.

Apples and oranges my friend. All these athletic budgets are a big shell game But yes PSU spends yearly no Doubt. That increase came with the first Franklin extension. Again, everyone points to Franklin’s contract but that is a small piece. It’s the staff sizes not counting the coaches. Alabama has an army at their disposal and we have a couple of snipers. Housing for athletes. Lasch upgrades (now finally starting). The fact that you don’t openly agree and admit we are playing catch up puzzles me.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

he cleaned out some of the dead wood on the coaching staff such as Brown

How is Don Brown dead weight? He was the greatest DC of all time until the covid year. Don. Brown. Defense! should have been .

 

[Got GSPs]

As you know Jim Harbaugh took a 50% pay cut to remain Michigan's head coach. Along with it he ceded authority and hired new assistants. The result: a playoff appearance. Contrast it to what Sandy did. She went the other way. She gave Franklin more money and therefore, more authority. Beginning today we're about to find out if it's the right decision.

Lastly, here's a shout out to #9 McCarthy of Michigan. He's the real deal. In him Michigan has a Ryan Day slayer.

How does more money equate to more authority? CJF was already in charge, using the CEO model of head coaching. Also, paying a coach more money is a gesture of confidence while accepting a pay cut in place of firing is a sign of lowered expectations.

it really seems like you are a Michigan fan. Why not post on the Michigan board? Did it completely melt down last night?

 

[LookSharp]

Let's be honest, Michigan caught lightening in a bottle this year. They won close games against Nebraska and PSU that they could have very easily lost and even Rutgers played them tight. As for the Michigan - OSU game - the OSU staff just blew it and will simmer for a whole year thinking about it - just like the PSU staff. So before crowning Harbaugh as the next Nick Saban, let's see how 2022 plays out. Have a feeling there will be a few teams waiting on them next year - especially their game in Columbus.

But I will say this - I'm really glad for the Georgia beatdown last night. I know a few Michigan fans and their chest thumping and bragging over the last few weeks were just unreal. Definitely the worst I've ever experienced by any fan base.

Anyone who couldn't see that beatdown coming last night was being disingenuous. Not claiming Harbaugh to be the next Saban, but there's a noticeable difference in his sideline behavior. He's less animated and more detached from the play. It could be due to delegating responsibility.

 

[LookSharp]

How does more money equate to more authority? CJF was already in charge, using the CEO model of head coaching. Also, paying a coach more money is a gesture of confidence while accepting a pay cut in place of firing is a sign of lowered expectations.

it really seems like you are a Michigan fan. Why not post on the Michigan board? Did it completely melt down last night?

For the same reason money bestows power and authority in Washington, DC. Bureaucratic kingdoms form every time Congress increases spending.

Here's a question for you. Both Harbaugh and Franklin have similar winning percentages, both in the neighborhood of 67%. Why should expectations be lower here than there?

Meatchicken hardly "melted down" last night. They don't recruit at Georgia's level; in fact, only a handful of teams do. The results were pretty much expected.

 

[nepalion]

Citation?

why don't you give a citation to the contrary, then?

 

[Liontown]

why don't you give a citation to the contrary, then?

nm

 

[nittanyfan333]

why don't you give a citation to the contrary, then?

Soooooo anyone can claim anything they want, and it’s on everyone else to prove them wrong? That’s how this goes?

 

[bbb2021]

I disagree based on the board (have we seen a Wolverine fan here since the move?) and social media friends. Most of them I know were thrilled to end the losing streak (who wouldn't), I didn't see any gloating.

I found it strange. Buckeye fans were super annoying until that loss. Very quiet since.

Buckeye fans gloat about the football program - as do most major CF powers.

The problem with Michigan is that I have to hear about their football and academics - how they do things the right way. After all, they're the Harvard of the Midwest. Just ask them

 

[Got GSPs]

For the same reason money bestows power and authority in Washington, DC. Bureaucratic kingdoms form every time Congress increases spending.

Here's a question for you. Both Harbaugh and Franklin have similar winning percentages, both in the neighborhood of 67%. Why should expectations be lower here than there?

Meatchicken hardly "melted down" last night. They don't recruit at Georgia's level; in fact, only a handful of teams do. The results were pretty much expected.

you aren’t very good at drawing comparisons and your knowledge of whether the Michigan board melted down or not tells me you are a Michigan fan. Go away. Maybe to the board of your second favorite team, Ohio State.

 

[PSUFTG]

A clue by you. Before he took a pay cut in lieu of being fired, Harbaugh was the highest paid coach in the Big Ten. You can look it up.

Great. But that wasn't the topic.

Well, he wasn't anymore. So, obviously, I was 100% accurate, I get it, fair question.

But maybe if they just paid Franklin more the program wouldn't be such a **** show. Obviously

 

[PSUFTG]

The fact that you don’t openly agree and admit we are playing catch up puzzles me.

Because "admitting" that would be absolutely incorrect? Obviously. (Penn State spends more than Michigan, and about $1 million, about 2% of total budget, less than OSU)

 

[GrimReaper]

Soooooo anyone can claim anything they want, and it’s on everyone else to prove them wrong? That’s how this goes?

Okay, so the poster who stated that "we want Alabama results but were running a program with funding closer to the American Conference than the Big Ten should provide data to back that up? Sounds good to me.

 

[SurgeOne]

You do know that PSU's football budget isn't that much less than OSU's? Well, now you do.

Don’t be bamboozled by accounting, OSU way outspends on capex vs penn st

 

[PSUFTG]

Citation?

EADA (Dept of Education / Title IX) numbers:
No one - not even Alabama and Clemson - are spending significantly more money on football than Penn State is.
In the last reported year (not including the COVID year of 2020), the only four bigger spenders, nationwide, were Ohio State (by $2 million), Florida State (due to the one-time contract buy-out of $20 million for their fired head coach), and Alabama and Clemson - by $6-$8 million, due to the expenses incurred in their two CFP trips. That is it, This is consistent over the last several years (while, of course, total spending nationwide has all been creeping up).


Big Ten Football spending:
Ohio State $52.6 Million
Penn State $50.6 Million
Michigan $44.7 Million (for what it is worth, that figure for Michigan includes Harbaugh's old - higher - contract salary)

Other Big Ten Teams:
Michigan State $44 Million
Iowa $41.7 Million,
Minnesota $34.2 Million
Northwestern $33.1 Million
Rutgers $32.9 Million
Nebraska $31.6 Million
Indiana $29.4 Million
Wisconsin $29.3 Million
Illinois $26.7 Million
Purdue $23,8 Million
Maryland $21.4 Million


Programs Nationwide that spent more than Penn State:
Florida State $67.8 Million (this was a one-time outlier due to the large buyout of the fired Head Coach - something like $20 million or so)
Alabama $58.5 Million
Clemson $55.9 Million (Both Alabama and Clemson had large Travel expenses - due to each playing in both CFP games)

Other Big Spenders - that didn't spend as much as Penn State:
Miami $48.9 Million
Georgia $48.5 Million
Auburn $46 Million
Arkansas $43.6 Million
Oklahoma $41.5 Million
LSU $41.4 Million
TCU $41.1 Million
Texas A&M $40.6 Million
Mississippi $40.4 Million
Texas $39.5 Million
Washington $38.4 Million
Tennessee $38.1 Million
Florida $37.6 Million,
USC $36.4 Million
Virginia Tech $35.6 Million
Baylor $35.4 Million
South Carolina $34.2 Million
Oregon $32.7 Million
Pitt $32.5 Million
Arizona State $32 Million
Utah $31.8 Million
Kentucky $30.6 Million
North Carolina $30.5 Million
Iowa State $29.4 Million
Louisville $24.7 Million
Oklahoma State $24.4 Million
Colorado $22.7 Million

Where does your school rank among richest and poorest Power 5 college football programs? New revenue figures for all 65 (msn.com)

Is this the point where someone says "But, Penn State is playing "catch up"", or needs to spend even more than $100+ million on a football building renovation, or some such thing.

Where does your school rank among richest and poorest Power 5 college football programs? New revenue figures for all 65 (msn.com)

 

[PSUFTG]

Don’t be bamboozled by accounting, OSU way outspends on capex vs penn st

No, they don't. Not for football facilities anyway.

Every university has unique parameters, obviously, but as just one (major) for instance, Woody Hayes Center got $45 million upgrade in 2014, and a couple of lesser upgrades - on the order of $10 million - since then.
Penn State has spent, what, $80 Million on Lasch in recent years, with another $30 million in process?

Of course, obviously, I get it, BOTH Penn State and Ohio State spend a lot more - a lot, lot, lot more - than just about any other programs in the country. Ohio State, of course, obviously, I get it, has also won a truckload full of trophies for Big Ten and National Championships. Penn State, obviously, has a truckload of trophies for being "Family", and loving one another - or so someone says.

 

[Catch1lion]

Link to what I believe are total athletic department budgets, not specifically football.

Top 25 highest spending college football programs in the nation

Sportico compiled the data for every college athletics department to compare spending at each one, from Ohio State all the way down to ULM.

www.on3.com

 

[Catch1lion]

Recruiting budgets ……

Ranking college football programs in recruiting spending

Here's what public Power 5 conference programs told the NCAA they spent on football recruiting during the 2019 fiscal year.

www.on3.com

Talent pool….

2021 College Football Team Talent Composite

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

247sports.com

We are the Land Rover of College Football . Expensive product with less than expected reliability and results .

 

[GrimReaper]

No, they don't. Not for football facilities anyway.

Every university has unique parameters, obviously, but as just one (major) for instance, Woody Hayes Center got $45 million upgrade in 2014, and a couple of lesser upgrades - on the order of $10 million - since then.
Penn State has spent, what, $80 Million on Lasch in recent years, with another $30 million in process?

Of course, obviously, I get it, BOTH Penn State and Ohio State spend a lot more - a lot, lot, lot more - than just about any other programs in the country. Ohio State, of course, obviously, I get it, has also won a truckload full of trophies for Big Ten and National Championships. Penn State, obviously, has a truckload of trophies for being "Family", and loving one another - or so someone says.

Yup, it's not as if anyone is hiding these projects and their costs.

 

[Hotshoe]

So, we've been behind for the last 20 plus years, and because we just started spending, we are now on a level playing field? Our facilities aren't even in the top 25, our housing is arguably, the worst in the nation.

 

[GrimReaper]

So, we've been behind for the last 20 plus years, and because we just started spending, we are now on a level playing field? Our facilities aren't even in the top 25, our housing is arguably, the worst in the nation.

The Lasch Building opened in 2000. How oftebn is the facility supposed to be upgraded/redone?

 

[PSUJam]

As you know Jim Harbaugh took a 50% pay cut to remain Michigan's head coach. Along with it he ceded authority and hired new assistants. The result: a playoff appearance. Contrast it to what Sandy did. She went the other way. She gave Franklin more money and therefore, more authority. Beginning today we're about to find out if it's the right decision.

Lastly, here's a shout out to #9 McCarthy of Michigan. He's the real deal. In him Michigan has a Ryan Day slayer.

Yo where you at LookDull?

 

[Midnighter]

 

[dcf4psu]

Let's be honest, Michigan caught lightening in a bottle this year. They won close games against Nebraska and PSU that they could have very easily lost and even Rutgers played them tight. As for the Michigan - OSU game - the OSU staff just blew it and will simmer for a whole year thinking about it - just like the PSU staff. So before crowning Harbaugh as the next Nick Saban, let's see how 2022 plays out. Have a feeling there will be a few teams waiting on them next year - especially their game in Columbus.

But I will say this - I'm really glad for the Georgia beatdown last night. I know a few Michigan fans and their chest thumping and bragging over the last few weeks were just unreal. Definitely the worst I've ever experienced by any fan base.

Similar to the way PSU caught lightning in a bottle in 2016. I'd love to see another stroke of lightning for PSU football. I'm not sure there's any other way it's going to happen. It's a resume of eight seasons now for Coach Franklin and personally I'm not seeing it any other way.