The morning after

[18IsTheMan]

Usually wake up the morning after a game like last night and start to see that maybe things aren’t as bad as they seemed. Not the case this time.

The thing is, ODU did not even play particularly well and they still gave us every little bit we could handle., They turned the ball over four times and we only eked out a four point win.

It’s not like they came in and just played out of their minds. If you had told me ahead of time, without telling me anything else about the game, that ODU would have four turnovers I would’ve guessed we would win by 30 points.

What makes this team even worse is that, at least after this game, there doesn’t appear to be any reason to even watch. We were not good last year, but we had Spencer and Xavier. The year prior we were not very good most of this season but had Spencer and Antwane. Presumably we have sanders this year, but with our offense of line, he’s not going anywhere.

 

[rockingamecock]

Usually wake up the morning after a game like last night and start to see that maybe things aren’t as bad as they seemed. Not the case this time.

The thing is, ODU did not even play particularly well and they still gave us every little bit we could handle., They turned the ball over four times and we only eked out a four point win.

It’s not like they came in and just played out of their minds. If you had told me ahead of time, without telling me anything else about the game, that ODU would have four turnovers I would’ve guessed we would win by 30 points.

What makes this team even worse is that, at least after this game, there doesn’t appear to be any reason to even watch. We were not good last year, but we had Spencer and Xavier. The year prior we were not very good most of this season but had Spencer and Antwane. Presumably we have sanders this year, but with our offense of line, he’s not going anywhere.

We have 2 players on offense and 3 or 4 on defense. That won't cut it.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

What I am about to post is not from a emotional perspective, but purely observational.

HC:
It would now be hard to imagine how anyone can not see the Beamer is clearly over his head. An alarming lack of imagination concerning game plan on both sides of the ball. It does not appear that the coordinators have a certain degree of autonomy concerning their game plans.

Talent Level:
This is a team with very little top talent. Watching the game yesterday I can't see any major programs wanting to poach any of players, certainly not to the exclusion of other players from other programs. Not that wont happen, but it would be isolated cases.

Overall:
With a visible lack of cohesion, and unless a major unexpected metamorphosis occurs immediately, it is hard to fathom this team winning any more than 4 games. Looking ahead at the schedule there is a good chance of some ugly losses at that.

Flame away.

 

[Fried Chicken]

Our defense got us our only 2 touchdowns.

Our defense bailed out the offense when we gave them the ball at the 8 yard line on a fumble.

that’s at minimum a 17 point swing. We easily could have lost by 2 scores.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Truth in advertising.

 

[USCEE82]

What I am about to post is not from a emotional perspective, but purely observational.

HC:
It would now be hard to imagine how anyone can not see the Beamer is clearly over his head. An alarming lack of imagination concerning game plan on both sides of the ball. It does not appear that the coordinators have a certain degree of autonomy concerning their game plans.

Talent Level:
This is a team with very little top talent. Watching the game yesterday I can't see any major programs wanting to poach any of players, certainly not to the exclusion of other players from other programs. Not that wont happen, but it would be isolated cases.

Overall:
With a visible lack of cohesion, and unless a major unexpected metamorphosis occurs immediately, it is hard to fathom this team winning any more than 4 games. Looking ahead at the schedule there is a good chance of some ugly losses at that.

Flame away.

Agree. Allow me to add on. Talent: There's lots of less glamorous programs than ours that manage to win more games than they lose with mediocre talent. Even at the FCS level. Okay, they don't play in the SEC but last night was not a SEC opponent. It seems like with a competent staff and mediocre talent, we should be able to win 7-8 games. Beating a dead horse: Get the right staff here, win with mediocre talent, consistently go bowling, pull off a few upsets, create a buzz, and better talent will follow. It starts with RT.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

What I am about to post is not from a emotional perspective, but purely observational.

HC:
It would now be hard to imagine how anyone can not see the Beamer is clearly over his head. An alarming lack of imagination concerning game plan on both sides of the ball. It does not appear that the coordinators have a certain degree of autonomy concerning their game plans.

Talent Level:
This is a team with very little top talent. Watching the game yesterday I can't see any major programs wanting to poach any of players, certainly not to the exclusion of other players from other programs. Not that wont happen, but it would be isolated cases.

Overall:
With a visible lack of cohesion, and unless a major unexpected metamorphosis occurs immediately, it is hard to fathom this team winning any more than 4 games. Looking ahead at the schedule there is a good chance of some ugly losses at that.

Flame away.

I agree with your points, and I am most disappointed with the ''unorganized mess'' we call a team which was on the field last night.
No excuse for the kind of confusion we saw from the coaches and the team.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What I am about to post is not from a emotional perspective, but purely observational.

HC:
It would now be hard to imagine how anyone can not see the Beamer is clearly over his head. An alarming lack of imagination concerning game plan on both sides of the ball. It does not appear that the coordinators have a certain degree of autonomy concerning their game plans.

Talent Level:
This is a team with very little top talent. Watching the game yesterday I can't see any major programs wanting to poach any of players, certainly not to the exclusion of other players from other programs. Not that wont happen, but it would be isolated cases.

Overall:
With a visible lack of cohesion, and unless a major unexpected metamorphosis occurs immediately, it is hard to fathom this team winning any more than 4 games. Looking ahead at the schedule there is a good chance of some ugly losses at that.

Flame away.

Last night was incompetence in action.

Not just bad coaching but a coach who truly doesn’t know what he’s doing.

I hate to say it, but that’s where we are with Beamer. Most people in professional fields have at some had something called imposter syndrome, where you fear that you’re going to be exposed as an imposter who doesn’t know what you’re doing. For most people it’s an imaginary fear…kind of helps keep you honest and always working harder.

However, I feel in this case we have a true imposter.

 

[Piscis]

Last night was incompetence in action.

Not just bad coaching but a coach who truly doesn’t know what he’s doing.

I hate to say it, but that’s where we are with Beamer. Most people in professional fields have at some had something called imposter syndrome, where you fear that you’re going to be exposed as an imposter who doesn’t know what you’re doing. For most people it’s an imaginary fear…kind of helps keep you honest and always working harder.

However, I feel in this case we have a true imposter.

I think Beamer has the opposite; he actually believes he knows what he's doing and is totally competent.

Hiring a head coach based on his last name and a hope that coaching is somehow a genetic trait is not a good way to run a football program.

 

[gamecock stock]

Agree. Allow me to add on. Talent: There's lots of less glamorous programs than ours that manage to win more games than they lose with mediocre talent. Even at the FCS level. Okay, they don't play in the SEC but last night was not a SEC opponent. It seems like with a competent staff and mediocre talent, we should be able to win 7-8 games. Beating a dead horse: Get the right staff here, win with mediocre talent, consistently go bowling, pull off a few upsets, create a buzz, and better talent will follow. It starts with RT.

IF last night was an indication of the season we will have, recruiting, which is not going well, as is, will hit the dumpster bottom. Beamer may be burying our program so deep, we will be battling Vanderbilt, for ages, to stay out of the cellar. Does the faction on the Board Of Trustees who are actually the culprits that gave us Beamer, strong enough to admit their mistake, cut their losses and get us a real football coach? I'm pessimistic that they are.

 

[Bubba Fett]

If our offensive talent was in that Chadwell/Korn offense, we would have put 60 on OD.

I just have no idea what these coaches are doing. We have better talent than this.

 

[gamecock stock]

In Muschamp's 4th season, we lost the opening game to North Carolina in Charlotte 24-20. I honestly believe we are worse off under Beamer than we were under Muschamp. That's incredible.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Here's Chadwell the morning after a 41-24 win...

"If we do what we did tonight, we will not win another game, and then you’ll be looking for a new coach in another year. That’s what’s going to happen. We’ve gotta do a better job of why we play and not doing foolish stuff. Again, it’s on me and that’s the big picture of it. I’m thankful for the win, but I’m frustrated because that’s not who we are. We will get better."

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

IF last night was an indication of the season we will have, recruiting, which is not going well, as is, will hit the dumpster bottom. Beamer may be burying our program so deep, we will be battling Vanderbilt, for ages, to stay out of the cellar. Does the faction on the Board Of Trustees who are actually the culprits that gave us Beamer, strong enough to admit their mistake, cut their losses and get us a real football coach? I'm pessimistic that they are.

If our offensive talent was in that Chadwell/Korn offense, we would have put 60 on OD.

I just have no idea what these coaches are doing. We have better talent than this.

Under Chadwell we would be winning 8 games a year and probably winning our bowl games for 9. Everything about his 20 years before applying for our job indicated he wins everywhere he goes at every level.

 

[Fried Chicken]

Man, for years the center of that wall was a memorial to the students that were murdered at the hands of a serial killer in the early 90’s. Unless they eventually painted over it already…that’s kind of messed up to paint over that.

 

[Fried Chicken]

In Muschamp's 4th season, we lost the opening game to North Carolina in Charlotte 24-20. I honestly believe we are worse off under Beamer than we were under Muschamp. That's incredible.

Do you remember that Ole Miss game with Lane throwing the clipboard? Muschamp, the defensive mastermind, could not stop those guys. And while they were decent, that wasn’t the team Kiffin has built now.

We’re arriving at hopelessness with Beamer. But with Muschamp, there was no hope. None. At best we’re on par with where we were under him. But can’t be worse.

 

[gamecock stock]

Do you remember that Ole Miss game with Lane throwing the clipboard? Muschamp, the defensive mastermind, could not stop those guys. And while they were decent, that wasn’t the team Kiffin has built now.

We’re arriving at hopelessness with Beamer. But with Muschamp, there was no hope. None. At best we’re on par with where we were under him. But can’t be worse.

FC, I don't remember us ever being this bad under Chump. But, maybe we were and, I have chosen to erase all bad memories. That was a pitiful performance last night.

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

FC, I don't remember us ever being this bad under Chump. But, maybe we were and, I have chosen to erase all bad memories. That was a pitiful performance last night.

The Muschamp years in hindsight seemed so bad mostly bc the Clemson games were absolute slaughters. Their best teams of all time and we remember that harsh feeling. Other than those games, I think the Muschamp years were not any worse. At least he ran a more serious program in the Saban/Kirby/Harbaugh model rather than the laid back baseball atmosphere we have now

 

[18IsTheMan]

FC, I don't remember us ever being this bad under Chump. But, maybe we were and, I have chosen to erase all bad memories. That was a pitiful performance last night.

I mean, we were pretty bad. That App State game was an abysmal performance. Nevertheless, one thing that frustrated me with Muschamp is that he actually seemed to understand football. It was clear when he talked about the game. He just was a bad coach.

Not only is Beamer a bad coach, I also have less and less confidence that he actually understands football.

 

[gamecock stock]

The Muschamp years in hindsight seemed so bad mostly bc the Clemson games were absolute slaughters. Their best teams of all time and we remember that harsh feeling. Other than those games, I think the Muschamp years were not any worse. At least he ran a more serious program in the Saban/Kirby/Harbaugh model rather than the laid back baseball atmosphere we have now

When Muschamp was here, Clemson annually finished in the Top 5 of the nation. Beamer is lucky they have fallen off relatively badly. If they returned to how good they were in the Muschamp era, the pressure on Beamer would be even greater. And I think the pressure on Beamer now is huge, as is.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

When Muschamp was here, Clemson annually finished in the Top 5 of the nation. Beamer is lucky they have fallen off relatively badly. If they returned to how good they were in the Muschamp era, the pressure on Beamer would be even greater. And I think the pressure on Beamer now is huge, as is.

I don't think he feels any pressure. I think Ray has already told him not to worry. He'll be here until Rain-man is gone. By then, so will our football program.

 

[gamecock stock]

I mean, we were pretty bad. That App State game was an abysmal performance. Nevertheless, one thing that frustrated me with Muschamp is that he actually seemed to understand football. It was clear when he talked about the game. He just was a bad coach.

Not only is Beamer a bad coach, I also have less and less confidence that he actually understands football.

18, thanks for bringing Brent Key's name to my attention. If we have to make a move on Beamer at the end of this season, Key would be a GREAT replacement. He is offensive-minded, runs a great offense, runs a balanced offense and produces a good defense. He checks a lot of boxes. In addition to winning at Tech as Head Coach, he has been an Offensive Coordinator and a Recruiting Coordinator. He has worked for Saban. But most importantly, he is producing as a Head Coach. He is fairly young at 46 and makes less than half that Beamer does. I still like Chadwell a lot. But Key also has a lot going for him, as well. But the question remains that IF we continue on the course that we saw last night, would the "powers that be" @USC pull the trigger at the end of this season? I don't know.

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

I don't think he feels any pressure. I think Ray has already told him not to worry. He'll be here until Rain-man is gone. By then, so will our football program.

As long as Beamer keeps the baseball culture Ray will be happy. Laid back, jokes, dancing, etc etc; Ray wont tolerate a football coach who yells a lot.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

As long as Beamer keeps the baseball culture Ray will be happy. Laid back, jokes, dancing, etc etc; Ray wont tolerate a football coach who yells a lot.

He definitely neutered Muchchamp.

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

18, thanks for bringing Brent Key's name to my attention. If we have to make a move on Beamer at the end of this season, Key would be a GREAT replacement. He is offensive-minded, runs a great offense, runs a balanced offense and produces a good defense. He checks a lot of boxes. In addition to winning at Tech as Head Coach, he has been an Offensive Coordinator and a Recruiting Coordinator. He has worked for Saban. But most importantly, he is producing as a Head Coach. He is fairly young at 46 and makes less than half that Beamer does. I still like Chadwell a lot. But Key also has a lot going for him, as well. But the question remains that IF we continue on the course that we saw last night, would the "powers that be" @USC pull the trigger at the end of this season? I don't know.

I doubt he would leave Ga Tech for SC. They are a more prestigious program than us, with an easier schedule.

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

He definitely neutered Muchchamp.

Yep and I’ll always sort of defend Muschamp for that. Yes Muschamp lost too much and it didnt work, however, when you get hired and your boss immediately tells you “You will not act like…yourself…while coaching here or else” then he was setup for failure already.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I doubt he would leave Ga Tech for SC. They are a more prestigious program than us, with an easier schedule.

Do REAL coaches have a hyper competitive drive or do they look for the easy way out?

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

Do REAL coaches have a hyper competitive drive or do they look for the easy way out?

They look for smart moves. And he definitely hasnt had it easy at Ga Tech, he inherited a mess.

But Ga Tech has a national championship in 1990 and several ACC championships, and are in a top 3 recruiting state. Why leave there for South Carolina?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

They look for smart moves. And he definitely hasnt had it easy at Ga Tech, he inherited a mess.

But Ga Tech has a national championship in 1990 and several ACC championships, and are in a top 3 recruiting state. Why leave there for South Carolina?

Why did Spurrier come here?

 

[Bubba Fett]

Why did Spurrier come here?

Lou Holtz

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Lou Holtz

Why did Lou come here?

 

[gamecock stock]

Yep and I’ll always sort of defend Muschamp for that. Yes Muschamp lost too much and it didnt work, however, when you get hired and your boss immediately tells you “You will not act like…yourself…while coaching here or else” then he was setup for failure already.

Frank Martin sure seemed to get away with a lot.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Both coaches came here because they wanted to prove something. You can't really prove it at an easy place to do so.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Why did Lou come here?

Mike McGee

 

[Bubba Fett]

Both coaches came here because they wanted to prove something. You can't really prove it at an easy place to do so.

Maybe, but both came here mainly because of personal relationships and being wooed into it.

McGee>Holtz
Holtz > Spurrier

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Maybe, but both came here mainly because of personal relationships and being wooed into it.

McGee>Holtz
Holtz > Spurrier

What were their personal relationships? Did Holtz or Spurrier ever say that?

 

[gamecock stock]

We were able to attract national championship winner Frank McGuire and "big name" at the time Bill Foster and Eddie Fogler in men's basketball, nationally known Dawn Staley in women's basketball, legendary baseball player Bobby Richardson and national championship winner Paul Mainieri in baseball, national championship winners Paul Dietzel, Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier in football. I would never, never sell short the University of South Carolina in attracting any coach to come here. EVER!!!!! But, that's me.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

We were able to attract national championship winner Frank McGuire and "big name" at the time Bill Foster and Eddie Fogler in men's basketball, nationally known Dawn Staley in women's basketball, legendary baseball player Bobby Richardson and national championship winner Paul Mainieri in baseball, national championship winners Paul Dietzel, Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier in football. I would never, never sell short the University of South Carolina in attracting any coach to come here. EVER!!!!! But, that's me.

Bet we had a real AD back then.

 

[Bubba Fett]

What were their personal relationships? Did Holtz or Spurrier ever say that?

AD Mike McGee was friends with Holtz and recruited him to be the head coach. Holtz was friends with Spurrier and with Holtz' help McGee recruited and hired Spurrier.

This isn't a secret. It was common knowledge at the time. McGee was darned good AD.