The rumor I'm hearing is Greg Hardy might be out 6-8 weeks
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That's the word. The one positive is that it's one of the positions I feel like where we can live with an injury like that. Losing a guy like Hardy is never good, but we've got enough depth at DE to be ok without him. Serious injuries at DB, LB, or OL would be much worse for us.
Deep enough that Hardy was still running 2nd team when he got hurt. Obviously, most thought he'd move up to 1st team at some point, but it's not like we have a bunch of walk ons at DE.
DE is definitely our deepest position. You're right that bodies don't equal depth, but we were deep enough that they moved Tillman to DT because they thought it gave us a better chance to get our best 11 on the field.
DE is definitely our deepest position. You're right that bodies don't equal depth, but we were deep enough that they moved Tillman to DT because they thought it gave us a better chance to get our best 11 on the field.
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When Tillman moved inside to DT, our starting DEs were Lockett and Stephens. Lockett and Hardy are playing on the same side of the ball. Tillman and Stephens were playing the opposite DE spot. They moved Tillman inside to get Stephens on the field. He's a Juco transfer DE that arrived in January and supposedly was doing well this fall as well.
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I can remember having this same discussion about a certain linemen that MSU lost and the Rebels declared imminent doom, our line will suck without him even when Croom said we would ok without said lineman.
Yet they lose an All-SEC player and can "live" without him.
Holy **** I wish the season would hurry up and start.
Yet they lose an All-SEC player and can "live" without him.
Holy **** I wish the season would hurry up and start.
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Laurent is injured and may miss the first game or two. Jerry is starting at DT, though he's injured and is going to miss about 2 weeks of practice. He should be back for the opener. Powe is still rusty and hasn't been playing well enough to earn a starting spot. When your two starting DTs aren't practicing, you have to move someone to the spot.
Edited to add: We have a very solid 2 deep at both DT and DE when healthy, but when we have 3 or 4 of those guys sitting out, our depth isn't nearly as good. That's really a pretty simple concept.
and that UM should be ok there with Lockett, etc. Safety is MSU's strongest position and losing Pegues for the La Tech game has me worried. Much less, losing him for 2 months. </p>
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Notice that I said we'd be OK at DE. I didn't say we'd be great. We lose Hardy, and yes it's not good. I said that much. However, it's not like DE will automatically become a glaring weakness to be exploited just because Hardy is out. We do have other capable players at the position. We don't have another Greg Hardy, but we're good enough at DE to be able to play without him.
What did you expect me to say? That the loss of Hardy is so bad that we're going to forfeit the first half of the season?
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I'll put it this way for you Goat. Us losing Hardy is similar for our defense as you losing Mike Brown is to your offense.
had been benched last year for attitude problems and was currently running second team safety. Neither of those are true.
Sure we have lots of servicable safeties and we would be "ok" at that position. But we only have one Pegues. Losing him would be a big blow to our defense just as losing Hardy is a big blow to their defense.
although Mike Brown is a terrible example, that was a huge loss for us. Although maybe you're making a reference to something somebody else said about him, I don't keep up with yalls personal catfights.
Anyway, I think what you mean is if you had to pick a position to lose a really good player, it would be DE.
Anyway, I think what you mean is if you had to pick a position to lose a really good player, it would be DE.
going from a first round pick and an experienced player at the DE (in Tillman and Hardy) vs. now starting 2 guys with virtually no experience in Lockett (7 games played, 7 tackles recorded) and Stephens.
they may be good, but damn, I wouldn't be this calm about Hardy's injury.
they may be good, but damn, I wouldn't be this calm about Hardy's injury.
I doubt freaking out will make anyone better. If I had to choose one position to lose someone, it would have been DE. Also, he should be back for the meat of the SEC schedule.
I hate it because I don't think there is any question that he is our most dominant player. He is a game changer and obviously we can't just plug somebody in and replace a preseason all american. That being said, I think the Glanton /Pegues comparison is a good one. We can at least put a somewhat capable body out there whereas at other positions we would be repacing an injured starer with a freshman.
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No. But Stephens was good enough in the spring and first week to split time with Tillman until they moved him inside and Lockett was highly recruited and has been pushing Hardy. We will miss a beat. There is no way around that. But if we were going to lose one of our 3 or 4 all sec caliber players, I suppose I would rather it be Hardy than Peria Jerry (also hurt but suppose to be minor) Oher, or John Jerry. It sucks and it will hurt our team. But supposedly we have capable backups there, whereas our coaches have little confidence in our backup OL. We will find out soon enough.
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