There were two "must have" defensive coordinators available last year
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they both had horrible and similar game plans against UM
But I like Manny
But I like Manny
They both inherited challenged defensive rosters but in different positions.
Well both seeminly had bad game plans against Michigan. For PSU against OSU it was more an offensive meltdown that caused that loss as OSU offense was given good field position by PSU offensive mistakes.
I think Diaz's defense has steadily improved as the younger players started to grasp his scheme. OSUs secondary was their problem all year and was really exploited by UM.
1. You could perhaps look at the 2 Maryland games for a comparison.
2. Manny's defense never played against Knowles' defense. So how is it relevant that Ohio State won the game?
I'm simply saying that 2 DCs don't scheme against each other.
Seems more logical to compare DCs by judging how their defenses performed against common opponents.
I gave the example of Maryland, where Diaz's D pulled a shutout, while Knowles' D gave up 30 points.
Abdul Carter from week 1 to yesterday, that's coaching. Give Manny a couple more players like that and see what happens.
OSU is loaded with 5 stars doing less with more.
OSU is loaded with 5 stars doing less with more.
I look at head to head.
His defense shutdown our offense
Yeah you can look at common opponents but when you play them matters to.
They played Marilyn the weekend before Michigan, when some could have been looking ahead. Also TT looked healthier than he did again PS. Lots of variables, Manny did a great job also. You can’t blame him for pick6 and fumbles on offense.
With all due respect, ChiTownLionPSU asked who was the better hire, not who was the most vaunted...DON. BROWN.
Our defense got better from last season while tOSU's seemingly got worse.
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This and PSU got dramatically better from game 1 to game 12 on defense, Ohio State defense had the same issues in game 12.
How did Knowle's defense shut down our offense? We had 482 yards offense in that game.
While Knowles v Diaz is certainly somewhat interesting, for obvious reasons, I expect there were a lot of "at least as good, if not better" possibilities that could have been pursued by either team - or any team, for that matter. How any of them would have worked out, or would work out moving forward, had they landed at either OSU or PSU? Who knows?
Zach Arnett
Tony Gibson
Joe Rossi and Jim Leonhard (my personal favorite) - both in the Big Ten
All guys with a track record of doing more with less.
Just a few OTTOMH who likely could have been wooed and landed by programs of the level of OSU or PSU (Leonhard maybe being the one exception, given his long ties to UW, and possibility that his next move could be to a HC position).
Mike Tressel, the guy Michigan signed this year, Minter (though he's a bit harder to project, with much of his experience coming at the NFL level - and, of course, he had a Harbaugh Connection), and Scalley at Utah would probably be a couple more OTTOMH, that one could debate about.
Plenty of guys out there with solid resumes.
Okay .. then who’s defense made more play’s?
We can go back and forth, but both guy’s have done well. PS for a variety of reasons comes up small in the 2 games we all want to win. Until James, Manny and Mike find away to win those games 50% of the time at a minimum, It’s not good enough.
Except i don't accept failure.Congratulations you excepted failure
It amazes me how many people defend the constant losing to these 2 schools. Saying stupid things like wait until the playoffs get expanded. So what if we can’t beat top 5 teams. Maybe your fine with being good. That’s okay if you are. I’m not, if you want donors to step up the staff hast to also. A win here or there isn’t going to do that.
It’s the chicken and the egg. To many want the egg while the rest of us wants the chicken. Disagree if you like but I stand on my opinion of this team. Good but not great
Geez! This thread was about two defensive coordinators. It had nothing to do with accepting failure or defending losing.
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Funny how I say the team is good but not great and people act like I said their Butgers level.
Manny did well, not fantastic … guess what, it’s not like I’m cutting my yearly donation because of it. I’ve gave the same amount the past 15 years. I’m giving the same amount next year. 1 win or 10 wins it doesn’t matter.
I don’t care who gives & who doesn’t, that’s up to them. I don’t care how much money James or his assistants make. Their entitled to receive fair or better compensation for their work.
He keeps saying WE need to step up to be competitive. To me that’s paying for something that might happen. His record against top 10teams is outright awful. 2-17 against Michigan 4-6, Ohio St 1-9 for 5-15.
I run our family business, I don’t use the we can’t when speaking to clients or our our employees when visiting different offices. Why? It just sets a tone that excuses are except able. If James wants more money then he needs to beat top teams not lose. Some people on here have a different philosophy then me. Okay that’s fine, I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion.
PennState is the 3rd best team in the conference. Until they get better (coaches & players) they’ll remain 3rd.
Manny did well, not fantastic … guess what, it’s not like I’m cutting my yearly donation because of it. I’ve gave the same amount the past 15 years. I’m giving the same amount next year. 1 win or 10 wins it doesn’t matter.
I don’t care who gives & who doesn’t, that’s up to them. I don’t care how much money James or his assistants make. Their entitled to receive fair or better compensation for their work.
He keeps saying WE need to step up to be competitive. To me that’s paying for something that might happen. His record against top 10teams is outright awful. 2-17 against Michigan 4-6, Ohio St 1-9 for 5-15.
I run our family business, I don’t use the we can’t when speaking to clients or our our employees when visiting different offices. Why? It just sets a tone that excuses are except able. If James wants more money then he needs to beat top teams not lose. Some people on here have a different philosophy then me. Okay that’s fine, I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion.
PennState is the 3rd best team in the conference. Until they get better (coaches & players) they’ll remain 3rd.
As is usually the case, there are two sides to the coin (although many folks will see one side, and deny the existence of the other).
The Good:
Penn State faced 10 bad/mediocre teams - and held 9 of those 10 opponents to 17 points or less (Purdue scored 31). That is pretty impressive, even if it was against the Maryland's and Indiana's of the world.
The Bad:
Penn State faced 2 good (very good, in this case) teams, and gave up 41 points and 45 points. Obviously, better teams are tougher to stop - but, regardless, 40+ makes it just about impossible to beat the really good teams, and is not OK.
The "Good" leads to Diaz consistently being able to get new jobs
The "Bad" leads to Diaz regularly being "moved on" from jobs with high expectations
This should not have been an unexpected occurrence - either for the Good or the Bad. That has been the VERY consistent MO of Diaz led defenses for two decades. It would only be a surprise if that tradition were to suddenly reverse itself.
You commented a couple of years ago you don't attend games anymore. Do you now attend in the suite?
Excepted? Please tell me you didn’t graduate from Penn State.Congratulations you excepted failure
I hit the wrong button on the like instead of reply. Your argument is not valid. We scored 31 Points and had 480+ Yards. They won the turnover battle. they won fair & square, but did not dominate.
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