This is Good, But it Shows How Thin the Financial Razor's Edge is

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For the first time in several years, USC athletics ended it fiscal year with a slight surplus.

When athletes become employees very few colleges will ever show a surplus. Look for lots of schools to drop lots of sports.
 

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Does football still donate some of their money to the university? I wonder if they would have even higher surplus.
 

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I don't really get why people worry about the AD showing a profit. It's not a company. There isn't an ownership group they're trying to enrich. Nobody owns stock in the USC AD. RT's job is to raise as much money as he can so he can spend it. All that surplus means is that spending in the following year will increase.
 
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I don't really get why people worry about the AD showing a profit. It's not a company. There isn't an ownership group they're trying to enrich. Nobody owns stock in the USC AD. RT's job is to raise as much money as he can so he can spend it. All that surplus means is that spending in the following year will increase.
I think because the money from a loss has to come from somewhere. Either the school has to raise athletic fees on students, which I think is very unfair, or ticket prices or donation levels have to go up.
 

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I don't really get why people worry about the AD showing a profit. It's not a company. There isn't an ownership group they're trying to enrich. Nobody owns stock in the USC AD. RT's job is to raise as much money as he can so he can spend it. All that surplus means is that spending in the following year will increase.
What it means depends on the particular school. Maryland, for example, jumped the ACC before the current GOR because they were literally going broke and cutting sports. Big 10 affiliation was the only way they were going to fund what had been an ACC sports structure. I think they call that "irony". 😁
 
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When athletes become employees very few colleges will ever show a surplus. Look for lots of schools to drop lots of sports.
Not inconceivable, but there's no one to benchmark. Schools will have to find out the hard way.
 

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What it means depends on the particular school. Maryland, for example, jumped the ACC before the current GOR because they were literally going broke and cutting sports. Big 10 affiliation was the only way they were going to fund what had been an ACC sports structure. I think they call that "irony". 😁
That's a revenue problem. Not a profit problem. They were spending all their money. They wanted to spend more, so they went to get more. My guess is they're not turning any more profit than they were.
 

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Not inconceivable, but there's no one to benchmark. Schools will have to find out the hard way.
I'm pretty sure the schools have already been crunching numbers. The amount schools are going to have to pay athletes is going to be huge. It won't only be football and basketball players who are paid, it will be every varsity athlete and every athlete will be expecting the same amount of money. If soccer players are paid less than football players you can expect a lawsuit pretty much immediately and the soccer players will win.

There are 709 varsity athletes at SC. If each one is paid $30,000 a year that will be $21,270,000 in additional expense for the school in payroll alone. Insurance, matching taxes, etc. is probably going to add another $5-6 million a year. SC is not an outlier in the number of varsity athletes. Every D1 school is going to be facing the same challenge. I don't think there is any way for schools to maintain the number of sports if the players are determined to be employees.
 

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I'm pretty sure the schools have already been crunching numbers. The amount schools are going to have to pay athletes is going to be huge. It won't only be football and basketball players who are paid, it will be every varsity athlete and every athlete will be expecting the same amount of money. If soccer players are paid less than football players you can expect a lawsuit pretty much immediately and the soccer players will win.

There are 709 varsity athletes at SC. If each one is paid $30,000 a year that will be $21,270,000 in additional expense for the school in payroll alone. Insurance, matching taxes, etc. is probably going to add another $5-6 million a year. SC is not an outlier in the number of varsity athletes. Every D1 school is going to be facing the same challenge. I don't think there is any way for schools to maintain the number of sports if the players are determined to be employees.
Maybe they field too many sports anyway. I know, I know, Title IX.
 

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That's a revenue problem. Not a profit problem. They were spending all their money. They wanted to spend more, so they went to get more. My guess is they're not turning any more profit than they were.
Whatever you call it, it has to be covered or your operation will have to be altered. Only the government legally prints money.
 

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Maybe they field too many sports anyway. I know, I know, Title IX.
Football alone would cost around $3,000,000 in payroll. That means women's sports would have to get $3,000,000 too. I think you will see schools do away with lots of sports, even some of the big ones.
 

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Football alone would cost around $3,000,000 in payroll. That means women's sports would have to get $3,000,000 too. I think you will see schools do away with lots of sports, even some of the big ones.
No direct effects on my family, but I hate it for those good student/athletes who would be affected. Hey, we might have to reduce the head count to the point we would have to merge the men's and women's basketball teams and a requisite number of football players would have to be women as well. In the name of equity, absurdity could be enjoying a heyday.
 
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I do not think it's wise to look at these accounts the same way you would a traditional business. Athletic departments run on TV money, gameday revenues, and donations. TV money is out of their control outside of contract expirations, so on a day to day basis they're focused on gameday revenues and donations. If you're consistently showing a profit, it makes it much more difficult to raise prices on tickets and/or ask for more donations. I would assume their goal is to spend every dollar of their budget every year.
 

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I do not think it's wise to look at these accounts the same way you would a traditional business. Athletic departments run on TV money, gameday revenues, and donations. TV money is out of their control outside of contract expirations, so on a day to day basis they're focused on gameday revenues and donations. If you're consistently showing a profit, it makes it much more difficult to raise prices on tickets and/or ask for more donations. I would assume their goal is to spend every dollar of their budget every year.
Exactly. Just like the fed.
 

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I do not think it's wise to look at these accounts the same way you would a traditional business. Athletic departments run on TV money, gameday revenues, and donations. TV money is out of their control outside of contract expirations, so on a day to day basis they're focused on gameday revenues and donations. If you're consistently showing a profit, it makes it much more difficult to raise prices on tickets and/or ask for more donations. I would assume their goal is to spend every dollar of their budget every year.
If they are doing that when they have a surplus, they are extremely foolish. Any program that doesn't have a reserve fund of some kind is like a household without any savings.
 

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If they are doing that when they have a surplus, they are extremely foolish. Any program that doesn't have a reserve fund of some kind is like a household without any savings.
They do...the university. Although I'm sure they do keep a reserve.