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kired

kired

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You have to ask, what other sec school would have even considered interviewing him for their head coach position. And if the answer is none… then why the hell would we think it was a good idea?

I can’t believe we didn’t just name him interim, keep all the staff that would stay intact, and then make a decision after this season.
 
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kired said:
You have to ask, what other sec school would have even considered interviewing him for their head coach position. And if the answer is none… then why the hell would we think it was a good idea?

I can’t believe we didn’t just name him interim, keep all the staff that would stay intact, and then make a decision after this season.
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Teams promote co-ordinators to head coach all the time. It’s to keep continuity and momentum. I don’t know where the miscommunication was, but we got neither.
 
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Chesusdog said:
If he wasn't going to maintain the status quo then why the hell did we hire him? If the plan was to blow it up and bring in a new system we could have found someone more qualified. We have no choice but to blow the whole thing up now before we're Croomed for the rest of the decade.
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MSU was always going to have to blow up the Air Raid when Leach’s days were done. It wasn’t exactly making MSU competitive week in and week out.

What happened with him was tragic. But this transition was inevitable.

This season puts MSU one year closer to the make over. That will be helpful for the next guy.
 
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Mike Leach couldn’t have died at a worst time esp in todays day and age with NIL and instant transfers. We had staff who were already heading to their new homes recruiting guys to go with them. Our roster was getting picked to the bone before Leach was buried. That’s why we hired Arnette. We were almost forced to. Had it been any other era of CFB we would have had a search and hired a new coach. That hire is 100% not on Selmon. The next one is.
 
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FreeDawg said:
Mike Leach couldn’t have died at a worst time esp in todays day and age with NIL and instant transfers. We had staff who were already heading to their new homes recruiting guys to go with them. Our roster was getting picked to the bone before Leach was buried. That’s why we hired Arnette. We were almost forced to. Had it been any other era of CFB we would have had a search and hired a new coach. That hire is 100% not on Selmon. The next one is.
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of course it isn't on Selmon, he wasn't even a university employee when Arnett was promoted.. This is squarely on Keenum.
 
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FreeDawg said:
Mike Leach couldn’t have died at a worst time esp in todays day and age with NIL and instant transfers. We had staff who were already heading to their new homes recruiting guys to go with them. Our roster was getting picked to the bone before Leach was buried. That’s why we hired Arnette. We were almost forced to. Had it been any other era of CFB we would have had a search and hired a new coach. That hire is 100% not on Selmon. The next one is.
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Trying to save a single recruiting class isn't worth it.
 
Trojanbulldog19

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They need to make changes to the portal and nil needs to be structured. Signing day needs to be pushed back to February it sucks if you are going through transition.
 
StateCollege

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UpTheMiddlex3Punt said:
Trying to save a single recruiting class isn't worth it.
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While I agree, the thought process was more than one recruiting class. With the transfer portal, you risk losing the class and many starters and backups. Again I don't agree with that thinking, but more goes into it then just 20 recruits.
 
Trojanbulldog19

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If we would have hired a good coach you don't lose anyone but we didn't have an AD. Keenum slow rolled the AD hire. Should have hired AD faster and then told him to get to work immediately
 
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Trojanbulldog19 said:
If we would have hired a good coach you don't lose anyone but we didn't have an AD. Keenum slow rolled the AD hire. Should have hired AD faster and then told him to get to work immediately
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I agree but I don't think that was an option with a rookie AD. I like Selmon but with the CF we had we probably needed to hire a proven AD at that time.
 
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Chesusdog said:
If he wasn't going to maintain the status quo then why the hell did we hire him? If the plan was to blow it up and bring in a new system we could have found someone more qualified. We have no choice but to blow the whole thing up now before we're Croomed for the rest of the decade.
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This is not arnett’s fault. Who would not take that job with that salary?
 
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FreeDawg said:
Mike Leach couldn’t have died at a worst time esp in todays day and age with NIL and instant transfers. We had staff who were already heading to their new homes recruiting guys to go with them. Our roster was getting picked to the bone before Leach was buried. That’s why we hired Arnette. We were almost forced to. Had it been any other era of CFB we would have had a search and hired a new coach. That hire is 100% not on Selmon. The next one is.
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Our roster was getting picked to the bones even if Leach hadn’t died due the incompetence Cohen had with NIL
 
Drebin

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There's a lot of revisionist history going on with how we hired arnett. We literally didn't have a choice.

- it was two weeks after the coaching carousel had ended

- it was right before signing day

- it was during bowl practice

- we had some big names in the portal and some we were trying to keep out of the portal

We would have been looking for a coach at the worst time eith our options limited and one hand tied behind our back. Giving arnett the job was the only choice.
 
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FreeDawg said:
Mike Leach couldn’t have died at a worst time esp in todays day and age with NIL and instant transfers. We had staff who were already heading to their new homes recruiting guys to go with them. Our roster was getting picked to the bone before Leach was buried. That’s why we hired Arnette. We were almost forced to. Had it been any other era of CFB we would have had a search and hired a new coach. That hire is 100% not on Selmon. The next one is.
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ababyatemydingo said:
of course it isn't on Selmon, he wasn't even a university employee when Arnett was promoted.. This is squarely on Keenum.
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You couldn’t be more correct. MSU bad luck, plain and simple. The old rock and a hard place. A week before signing day. Had to do something quickly. Not Arnett’s fault. Had no time to shop for a nationally known coach. Another example of MSU being snakebit, like the bad call in the 1981 EB, the wind blown FG in the 83 EB, Nick’s malevolently broken ankle, etc.
 
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Yeah C34, 9-4 sounds pretty competitive to me. But I look at it like Drebin. We were kinda between a rock and a hard spot and basically they made him the interim with the head coach title. The title looks good to recruits and portal guys. But the truth is his contract is set up to easily walk away from should the need arise. And it has arisen. All these good ol boys somebody hand picked suck and might wanna look at coaching high school ball
 
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Perd Hapley

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Drebin said:
There's a lot of revisionist history going on with how we hired arnett. We literally didn't have a choice.

- it was two weeks after the coaching carousel had ended

- it was right before signing day

- it was during bowl practice

- we had some big names in the portal and some we were trying to keep out of the portal

We would have been looking for a coach at the worst time eith our options limited and one hand tied behind our back. Giving arnett the job was the only choice.
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Facts. I’ve seen some really dumb revisionist history, too. Folks bringing up crap like “We could have just hired Prime!”, like somehow he wasn’t already the coach at Colorado before Leach even died.
 
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