Updated CFP Poll - Dec. 3

[RyanSnyder]

Updated College Football Playoff Poll - Dec. 3​

1) Oregon
2) Texas
3) Penn State
4) Notre Dame
5) Georgia
6) Ohio State
7) Tennessee
8) SMU
9) Indiana
10) Boise State
11) Alabama
12) Miami
13) Ole Miss
14) South Carolina
15) Arizona State
16) Iowa State
17) Clemson
18) BYU
19) Missouri
20) UNLV
21) Illinois
22) Syracuse
23) Colorado
24) Army
25) Memphis

 

[RyanSnyder]

Where does Penn State rank in the latest College Football Playoff Poll and what's the projected bracket?

Penn State will play for a Big Ten Championship on Saturday, but they're also set to participate in the College Football Playoff. Learn more.

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[RyanSnyder]

 

[LionsAndBears]

Reese Davis throwing shade at having PSU positioned at #5 in the bracket. To quote "Look at Penn State. You want that team getting into the Semifinals?"

This was based on our potential to play ASU and BSU in the first 2 rounds. Boy, I really hope we beat Oregon and get the #1 Seed just so I can see these guys' heads explode.

 

[WVilleLion23]

Reese Davis throwing shade at having PSU positioned at #5 in the bracket. To quote "Look at Penn State. You want that team getting into the Semifinals?"

This was based on our potential to play ASU and BSU in the first 2 rounds. Boy, I really hope we beat Oregon and get the #1 Seed just so I can see these guys' heads explode.

No kidding. I saw one write up and it said something along the lines of, with a close loss to Ducks, Penn State still has a chance to make the playoffs.

No ****! Unless Ducks boat race us 66-0, we are not falling out of playoffs. The narrative vs Penn State is quite nauseating.

 

[84lion]

Are they taking into account the CCGs? If so, they appear to expect Oregon to win over PSU, Texas to win over Georgia, and Penn State apparently to lose close enough that they would remain ahead of Our Lady.

Tennessee playing at OSU and Bama playing at ND should be real fun. You Southern boys bring yer thermal underwear!

 

[Sif]

Are they taking into account the CCGs? If so, they appear to expect Oregon to win over PSU, Texas to win over Georgia, and Penn State apparently to lose close enough that they would remain ahead of Our Lady.

Tennessee playing at OSU and Bama playing at ND should be real fun. You Southern boys bring yer thermal underwear!

They just took higher seeds as winners in conf. Championship games. Not who they expect to win

 

[NoSoup4U]

Reese Davis throwing shade at having PSU positioned at #5 in the bracket. To quote "Look at Penn State. You want that team getting into the Semifinals?"

This was based on our potential to play ASU and BSU in the first 2 rounds. Boy, I really hope we beat Oregon and get the #1 Seed just so I can see these guys' heads explode.

they miss how brackets actually work

of course the 4 plays the 5/12 winner they get the toughest opponent being ranked 4
so what makes them ranked 4 their weak *** conference

of course the 1 gets the 8/9 winner why because they are the lowest ranked and in theory weaker than a 4 or a 5 team

blame the rankings AND positioning of conf champions getting a bye at the same time----- not the bracket

get rid of conf champions getting a bye and place the byes for the 4 top ranked teams when all games are completed being a conf champion should influence a ranking not be an addendum to it

 

[PSU87]

We've looked a bit ragged at times this year, but unlike most years I don't see any really dominant teams either.
I feel like we could lose to any team in the bracket, and I feel like we could beat any team in the bracket.

 

[Bones80]

This will all change next week

 

[84lion]

They just took higher seeds as winners in conf. Championship games. Not who they expect to win

It's really bogus, though, since the CCG matchups are known. I get that they would expect the higher seeds to win, but what does that do to the lower seeded teams?

 

[Sunsox]

Reese Davis throwing shade at having PSU positioned at #5 in the bracket. To quote "Look at Penn State. You want that team getting into the Semifinals?"

This was based on our potential to play ASU and BSU in the first 2 rounds. Boy, I really hope we beat Oregon and get the #1 Seed just so I can see these guys' heads explode.

It is all BS at this point. If Davis doesn't think Penn State belongs in the semifinals, then he contradicts himself by the fact that he has us ranked #4 in his AP ballot.

 

[SleepyLion]

It is all BS at this point. If Davis doesn't think Penn State belongs in the semifinals, then he contradicts himself by the fact that he has us ranked #4 in his AP ballot.

You think he understands that the 4th best team should be in the semifinals?

 

[Erial_Lion]

I didn't take Davis' comments as taking a shot at Penn State, as I thought it was more taking a shot at the system. He pointed out that the #5 seed, us in this instance, has an easier path to the semifinal than the #1 seed will have. And he's not wrong.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I think it's really a conundrum on who we should be rooting for in the SEC game on Saturday afternoon. If we win Saturday night, then I'd much rather have Georgia beat Texas, since it would give us the #1 seed (and a #1 ranking heading into the playoffs). But if we lose, we're better off having Texas win, since it means we'll either be the 5th or 6th seed (5th if it's a competitive game, but possibly 6th if we get blown out).

I think I root for Georgia and the chance to be the top seed...but that path for getting the 5th seed sure looks appealing too, so Texas winning isn't the worst thing for us.

 

[SleepyLion]

I didn't take Davis' comments as taking a shot at Penn State, as I thought it was more taking a shot at the system. He pointed out that the #5 seed, us in this instance, has an easier path to the semifinal than the #1 seed will have. And he's not wrong.

that is because of the weakness in the 3 (and 4 seeds).
this is due to the automatic seeds for the conference champs. I think this will be done away with. or the R1 winners will be reseeded to account for any upsets. #1 seed geta the highest remaining seed, #2 gets next highest, etc.

 

[Corner Room Breakfast]

Rece is in Alabama for the writers poll if i'm correct. Check his voting record, i don't know
what is issue against Penn State, but seems to usually rank us on the low side.

 

[Meats Lab]

Reese Davis throwing shade at having PSU positioned at #5 in the bracket. To quote "Look at Penn State. You want that team getting into the Semifinals?"

This was based on our potential to play ASU and BSU in the first 2 rounds. Boy, I really hope we beat Oregon and get the #1 Seed just so I can see these guys' heads explode.

Based on his weight gain, Reese is throwing shade on many things.

 

[Erial_Lion]

that is because of the weakness in the 3 (and 4 seeds).
this is due to the automatic seeds for the conference champs. I think this will be done away with. or the R1 winners will be reseeded to account for any upsets. #1 seed geta the highest remaining seed, #2 gets next highest, etc.

I think your bolded option is where we'll be heading. Some years, this current system will work...but a year like this where the 3rd/4th/5th conferences don't have any great teams, and the system doesn't reward the top seed.

 

[SleepyLion]

Based on his weight gain, Reese is throwing shade on many things.

 

[razpsu]

If no chaos with acc or big twelve, ga loses to Texas, who is in. Georgia or Alabama. Wow that will be a fight behind the scenes.

 

[razpsu]

Based on his weight gain, Reese is throwing shade on many things.

You know I was going to say a similar thing about Nicole. She lost all that weight perhaps some brain cells as well.

 

[Erial_Lion]

If no chaos with acc or big twelve, ga loses to Texas, who is in. Georgia or Alabama. Wow that will be a fight behind the scenes.

Both would be in. The SEC game shouldn't mean anything to Alabama. Alabama's fear has to be SMU losing a close one to Clemson to potentially knock them out.

 

[BobPSU92]

All this gnashing of teeth. Maybe it would be better if we were 7-5 and heading to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. Play a bowl game in December and git er done.

 

[PSUFTG]

This will all change next week

Correct


BTW: You can expect that the first "change" to the system will be to eliminate the "Top 4 have to be conference champions" bit.
No rational person thinks that the ACC Champ, the Big12 Champ and/or the G5 rep deserves a bye (and the true powers - the folks at the SEC and BigTen - are the ones who get screwed).

 

[PSU89er]

So if PSU beats Oregon and Texas beats UGa. Does Texas go to the 1 seed, PSU to the 2 seed, Oregon to the 5 seed and UGa stay at 7.

Or do they drop UGa, moving OSU to the 7 seed.

I ask, because if we win and they drop the losers of the conference championship games, we could be getting OSU no matter what happens. If we win and we are a 1 seed (UGa beats Texas), OSU is an 8 seed, if we win and only get to a two seed, they drop UGa and OSU is a 7. I really wanted OSU behind Tennessee due to this.

 

[BobPSU92]

So if PSU beats Oregon and Texas beats UGa. Does Texas go to the 1 seed, PSU to the 2 seed, Oregon to the 5 seed and UGa stays at 7.

Or do they drop UGa, moving OSU to the 7 seed.

I ask, because if we win and they drop the losers of the conference championship games, we could be getting OSU no matter what happens. If we win and we are a 1 seed (UGa beats Texas), OSU is an 8 seed, if we win and only get to a two seed, they drop UGa and OSU is a 7. I really wanted OSU behind Tennessee due to this.

We win and we’re out.

 

[ApexLion]

All this gnashing of teeth. Maybe it would be better if we were 7-5 and heading to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. Play a bowl game in December and git er done.

I have tix.

 

[A2nit]

I didn't take Davis' comments as taking a shot at Penn State, as I thought it was more taking a shot at the system. He pointed out that the #5 seed, us in this instance, has an easier path to the semifinal than the #1 seed will have. And he's not wrong.

This, it’s actually the best situation for PSU, but hell beat the Ducks…

 

[doctornick]

I didn't take Davis' comments as taking a shot at Penn State, as I thought it was more taking a shot at the system. He pointed out that the #5 seed, us in this instance, has an easier path to the semifinal than the #1 seed will have. And he's not wrong.

I was thinking about this and I get the idea behind the setup. I think they want to continue to reward champions with the byes and they want to have access for non-P4 teams. I came up with this idea that I think works:

5 conference champs get bids, top 4 get byes (like now)... but the 5th conference champ automatically hosts in the opening round. So, at worse the #8 seed. And if that team is pretty bad, they'd be the #8 and would make the pathway for the #1 seed potentially easier (as opposed to making the #5 position potentially the best).

Just a thought for a minor tweak.

 

[TiogaLion]

It seems like the consensus here that you guys like the "eye-test" for choosing the playoff teams. All I can say is WOW!!!

A set of rules, known before the season starts, should be the only way to get into the playoffs.

 

[Erial_Lion]

It seems like the consenus here that that you guys like the "eyetest" for choosing the playoff teams. All I can say is WOW!!!

A set of rules, know before the season starts, should be the only way to get into the playoffs.

A “set of rules” simply doesn’t work in the current environment if we’re trying to find the best teams (super conferences with unbalanced schedules, a finite number of games, and 130+ teams that are eligible). And the “eye test” is a lot different from sorting through resumes to identify the right selections.

 

[Nittering Nabob]

Correct


BTW: You can expect that the first "change" to the system will be to eliminate the "Top 4 have to be conference champions" bit.

It makes it more subjective, but the reality is CFB has become two (2) power.conferences; three (3) entertaining conferences and a handful of others.

 

[razpsu]

Sec and big ten will have many teams that can make a run. So if a big twelve team etc get a bye then so be it. If they (espn,sec) could get 5 teams from sec in, they would. Forget that!!

 

[BobPSU92]

Sucks to be duh u right now. So, a 12-team playoff didn’t fix everything. Huh.

ACC 'incredibly shocked' Canes fell to 12 in CFP

After Alabama snuck into the coveted No. 11 spot ahead of Miami, as announced on ESPN's CFP rankings release show Tuesday, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said the league was "incredibly shocked and disappointed," adding the Hurricanes "deserve better."

www.espn.com

 

[LaJollaCreek]

I didn't take Davis' comments as taking a shot at Penn State, as I thought it was more taking a shot at the system. He pointed out that the #5 seed, us in this instance, has an easier path to the semifinal than the #1 seed will have. And he's not wrong.

Exactly. You look at that route as it stands today....ASU at home and then Boise.... hard not to say sign me up for that. The mandatory conference champs could be fine, but the bye shouldn't be a part of it. You just seed the 12 and if a conference champ isn't a top 4 team you seed them accordingly.

 

[WVilleLion23]

I don’t care about sexy match ups. Whatever match ups give us best opportunity works for me

 

[LionJim]

Sucks to be duh u right now. So, a 12-team playoff didn’t fix everything. Huh.

ACC 'incredibly shocked' Canes fell to 12 in CFP

After Alabama snuck into the coveted No. 11 spot ahead of Miami, as announced on ESPN's CFP rankings release show Tuesday, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said the league was "incredibly shocked and disappointed," adding the Hurricanes "deserve better."

www.espn.com

Yeah, I thought the same. Miami had it in their hands, blew it. Now Alabama is poised to make the field. Charming.

 

[PSUFTG]

Yeah, I thought the same. Miami had it in their hands, blew it. Now Alabama is poised to make the field. Charming.

Yep. When someone can make a case for a better 12th team than Alabama, I would listen. But I have yet to hear one.

Miami is next in line. They just lost 2 of their last three games - at the end of a schedule of 12 games with 0 ranked teams in the bunch.
After that? Ole Miss and S Carolina - two more 3 loss SEC teams - and Alabama beat S Carolina head to head (Otherwise, S Carolina has a nice list of quality wins - but probably not as good as Alabama's quality wins - and has really played well over the back 1/2 of the season. So they could maybe have the strongest argument. Ole Miss had the weakest schedule of the three).
Alabama also beat Georgia, and curb-stomped Missouri and LSU. Honestly, between them and Miami, I think most reasoned people would say it the resumes aren't even close to close.

People claiming "SEC Bias", or whatever the heck one wants to call it, I have never heard a cogent argument (and certainly not a convincing one) for why some other team should take their place.

Now, the current 12 team format - with all the malformed hieroglyphs baked into that cake?
That is a (likely) irredeemable mess. I expect it will not last long in its present form - it makes every previous variation of the "college football championship" history look like the divine work of geniuses, as opposed to a concoction home-brewed by a group of 0.25% BAC "Bros" well past closing time.
Only Red Green, or the folks who designed the Land Grant Trophy, could find any beauty in that monstrosity.

 

[BiochemPSU]

Yep. When someone can make a case for a better 12th team than Alabama, I would listen. But I have yet to hear one.

Miami is next in line. They just lost 2 of their last three games - at the end of a schedule of 12 games with 0 ranked teams in the bunch.
After that? Ole Miss and S Carolina - two more 3 loss SEC teams - and Alabama beat S Carolina head to head (Otherwise, S Carolina has a nice list of quality wins - but probably not as good as Alabama's quality wins - and has really played well over the back 1/2 of the season. So they could maybe have the strongest argument. Ole Miss had the weakest schedule of the three).
Alabama also beat Georgia, and curb-stomped Missouri and LSU. Honestly, between them and Miami, I think most reasoned people would say it the resumes aren't even close to close.

People claiming "SEC Bias", or whatever the heck one wants to call it, I have never heard a cogent argument (and certainly not a convincing one) for why some other team should take their place.

Now, the current 12 team format - with all the malformed hieroglyphs baked into that cake?
That is a (likely) irredeemable mess. I expect it will not last long in its present form - it makes every previous variation of the "college football championship" history look like the divine work of geniuses, as opposed to a concoction home-brewed by a group of 0.25% BAC "Bros" well past closing time.
Only Red Green, or the folks who designed the Land Grant Trophy, could find any beauty in that monstrosity.

The only real argument is that your overall record should be the only thing that matters. Team A is 10-2, Team B is 9-3. Team A would be ranked higher because it won more games. 10 is greater than 9. If you want to evaluate two teams with different records outside of the overall records, bias naturally creeps in and you get inconsistent, "eye test" results.