Updated NCAA Coaches Poll & RPI

[Tom McAndrew]

which were used for the conference allocations for Nationals, can be accessed at:

NCAA DI Wrestling Committee releases qualifying tournament allocations for 2022 championships

The NCAA Division I Wrestling Committee has announced the pre-allocation spots for the 2022 NCAA Division I Wrestling Championships as listed in the chart below.

www.ncaa.com

 

[pabison]

which were used for the conference allocations for Nationals, can be accessed at:

NCAA DI Wrestling Committee releases qualifying tournament allocations for 2022 championships

The NCAA Division I Wrestling Committee has announced the pre-allocation spots for the 2022 NCAA Division I Wrestling Championships as listed in the chart below.

www.ncaa.com

Nice! Things just got a little easier for Berge. If I recall, we’ve been talking about the BIG having six spots, but this latest AQ shows 7 at 157.

 

[AK1967]

Nice! Things just got a little easier for Berge. If I recall, we’ve been talking about the BIG having six spots, but this latest AQ shows 7 at 157.

It’s gonna be far from easy but we get your point. Yes 7 is better then 6 for both 157 and 165. I’m more concerned about 165 and 149. Berge will be fine…..He can make the finals. I think he beats Young again. Berge is healthy now. Time for 49 and 65 to beat their seeds. Edsell will surprise.

 

[pabison]

It’s gonna be far from easy but we get your point. Yes 7 is better then 6 for both 157 and 165. I’m more concerned about 165 and 149. Berge will be fine…..He can make the finals. I think he beats Young again. Berge is healthy now. Time for 49 and 65 to beat their seeds. Edsall will surprise.

I’m not worried about him getting the 5 matches. He only needs 3, so that won’t be an issue. As you mentioned, 49 and 65 are bigger concerns. I feel good about Bartlett making Nattys. Edsell needs to step it up at BIGs to qualify, which he’s perfectly capable of.

 

[Bernard Shakey]

I'm wondering what the reasoning is behind Kerk being 5 and Parris being 4. Parris has a loss to Gable and the H2H loss to Kerk. Kerk only lost to Cass who Parris didn't wrestle. Also annoyed they rewarded Shultz for wrestling no one.

 

[razpsu]

I'm wondering what the reasoning is behind Kerk being 5 and Parris being 4. Parris has a loss to Gable and the H2H loss to Kerk. Kerk only lost to Cass who Parris didn't wrestle. Also annoyed they rewarded Shultz for wrestling no one.

We want 5 for kerk. 4 wrestles 1.

 

[APSPSUwrestlingfan]

We want 5 for kerk. 4 wres

 

[Bernard Shakey]

Not at B1Gs. No Shultz means Kerk would be a 4 seed. It would be better and I think more accurate if it was:

1: Gable
2: Cass
3: Kerk
4: Parris
5: Shultz

I guess you could move Shultz up to 3, but whatever. That would give Kerk the chance to avenge the loss to Cass in the Semi's at B1Gs, which I 100% think he will. Just stay out of the upper body stuff, avoid bottom when possible, and snatch single the crap out of him. If that happens and he makes the finals of B1Gs he'll end up the 2 or 3 seed at Nationals and have a pretty clear path to the finals.

 

[WV lion]

We want 5 for kerk. 4 wrestles 1.

5 wrestles 4, then 1

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

Not at B1Gs. No Shultz means Kerk would be a 4 seed. It would be better and I think more accurate if it was:

1: Gable
2: Cass
3: Kerk
4: Parris
5: Shultz

I guess you could move Shultz up to 3, but whatever. That would give Kerk the chance to avenge the loss to Cass in the Semi's at B1Gs, which I 100% think he will. Just stay out of the upper body stuff, avoid bottom when possible, and snatch single the crap out of him. If that happens and he makes the finals of B1Gs he'll end up the 2 or 3 seed at Nationals and have a pretty clear path to the finals.

I love your confidence, but more like 55/45 Kerk beats Cass next time. Stay clear from upper body and bottom are easier said than done. I could see Kerk getting hit with stalls trying to avoid Cass going upper body again. I could also see Kerk going upper body again with Cass. Those were both 50/50 positions last time, and Kerk thinks he can and should win them. So Kerk might avoid initially, but then he might say, I’m going to show Cass this time. Kerk is or will be world class, and I suspect he believes there is nothing that Cass can or should be able to do better than him.

I’m more concerned about a rematch with Parris. Parris will adjust. And he’ll have watched the Cass match. In my opinion, Parris should be a tougher matchup for Kerk than Cass because of his athleticism.

And then Gable. What chance do I give Kerk vs. Gable? <1%. My hope is they don’t meet at Bigs (which means Kerk loses to Cass or Parris), and they meet in the NCAA Finals. If they meet in the finals, I’m going up to 3%. Why? He’ll have won 4 straight on the big stage, and his confidence will be as high as can be. And he’s got a wildcard in his corner…Cael Sanderson. First of all, Cael will say all the right things about Kerk and Gable, so no bulletin board material. Second, Cael will gameplan. Remember how Cassar twice slowed Gable to a snoozefest, only to take him down in the 3rd in both matches. Yes, that was a different Gable, but I think the difference-maker was Caesar’s approach (which can only be executed with top talent). You think RBY’s approach to Fix wasn’t gameplanned? They weren’t too concerned about the stall point because they figured all RBY needed was one takedown. In a way, it’s kind of like Paterno in bowl games…you give Cael time to prepare for the big game and I’d be wary of betting against him.

 

[Bernard Shakey]

In my opinion, Parris should be a tougher matchup for Kerk than Cass because of his athleticism.

I agree that Parris should be a tougher matchup than Cass, which is why I'm so confident in Kerk beating Cass this time around. That match with Cass, Kerk looked off to say the least. I think most people would agree that Parris is a better wrestler than Cass in almost every position. Kerk got out from under Parris with no issue, but couldn't even get to his feet against Cass. That seems to not make a whole lot of sense. He also took down Cass with a single leg pretty effortlessly then decided to try and go upper body twice. I know Cass wanted him to be there, but Kerk is good enough, strong enough, and well coached enough to be able to avoid those positions if he wants to. I don't know if Carver got to him, or if Dean sealing the dual made him relax a little bit, but taking both wrestlers body of work this season, that outcome was pretty unexpected. I think a neutral site and Cael's end of the year peaking excellence tip the scales firmly in Kerk's favor. I mean just look at the other results. Cass beat Wood 3-2 this, Kerk majored him LAST year when even Kerk himself admitted he was not even close to 100%.

My hope is they don’t meet at Bigs (which means Kerk loses to Cass or Parris), and they meet in the NCAA Finals.

If they seed B1Gs going off coaches rank it'll be:

1: Gable
2: Cass
3: Parris
4: Kerk

So Kerk would hit Gable in the Semi's before he got a shot at either Cass or Parris, which is BS since he beat Parris H2H. Which brings me all the way back to my original point of why the F is Parris ahead of Kerk? Flip them and it's a Kerk Cass semi with the winner getting Gable. Whoever takes second at B1Gs would likely get the 2 or 3 seed at nationals setting up a Shultz Semi, which I think is a win for Kerk and puts him in the finals against gable.

I can agree with your 3% chance for Kerk to beat Gable in the NCAA finals, but if Kerk is the 4 seed at B1G's it makes it pretty much impossible for him to be opposite gable at Nationals.

 

[WV lion]

I agree that Parris should be a tougher matchup than Cass, which is why I'm so confident in Kerk beating Cass this time around. That match with Cass, Kerk looked off to say the least. I think most people would agree that Parris is a better wrestler than Cass in almost every position. Kerk got out from under Parris with no issue, but couldn't even get to his feet against Cass. That seems to not make a whole lot of sense. He also took down Cass with a single leg pretty effortlessly then decided to try and go upper body twice. I know Cass wanted him to be there, but Kerk is good enough, strong enough, and well coached enough to be able to avoid those positions if he wants to. I don't know if Carver got to him, or if Dean sealing the dual made him relax a little bit, but taking both wrestlers body of work this season, that outcome was pretty unexpected. I think a neutral site and Cael's end of the year peaking excellence tip the scales firmly in Kerk's favor. I mean just look at the other results. Cass beat Wood 3-2 this, Kerk majored him LAST year when even Kerk himself admitted he was not even close to 100%.

If they seed B1Gs going off coaches rank it'll be:

1: Gable
2: Cass
3: Parris
4: Kerk

So Kerk would hit Gable in the Semi's before he got a shot at either Cass or Parris, which is BS since he beat Parris H2H. Which brings me all the way back to my original point of why the F is Parris ahead of Kerk? Flip them and it's a Kerk Cass semi with the winner getting Gable. Whoever takes second at B1Gs would likely get the 2 or 3 seed at nationals setting up a Shultz Semi, which I think is a win for Kerk and puts him in the finals against gable.

I can agree with your 3% chance for Kerk to beat Gable in the NCAA finals, but if Kerk is the 4 seed at B1G's it makes it pretty much impossible for him to be opposite gable at Nationals.

Seeding at big 10 should be pretty straight forward.
1 gable no big 10 losses
2 cass one big 10 loss, beat kerk
3 kerk one big 10 loss, lost to cass
4 Paris two big 10 losses, lost to kerk

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

I agree that Parris should be a tougher matchup than Cass, which is why I'm so confident in Kerk beating Cass this time around. That match with Cass, Kerk looked off to say the least. I think most people would agree that Parris is a better wrestler than Cass in almost every position. Kerk got out from under Parris with no issue, but couldn't even get to his feet against Cass. That seems to not make a whole lot of sense. He also took down Cass with a single leg pretty effortlessly then decided to try and go upper body twice. I know Cass wanted him to be there, but Kerk is good enough, strong enough, and well coached enough to be able to avoid those positions if he wants to. I don't know if Carver got to him, or if Dean sealing the dual made him relax a little bit, but taking both wrestlers body of work this season, that outcome was pretty unexpected. I think a neutral site and Cael's end of the year peaking excellence tip the scales firmly in Kerk's favor. I mean just look at the other results. Cass beat Wood 3-2 this, Kerk majored him LAST year when even Kerk himself admitted he was not even close to 100%.

If they seed B1Gs going off coaches rank it'll be:

1: Gable
2: Cass
3: Parris
4: Kerk

So Kerk would hit Gable in the Semi's before he got a shot at either Cass or Parris, which is BS since he beat Parris H2H. Which brings me all the way back to my original point of why the F is Parris ahead of Kerk? Flip them and it's a Kerk Cass semi with the winner getting Gable. Whoever takes second at B1Gs would likely get the 2 or 3 seed at nationals setting up a Shultz Semi, which I think is a win for Kerk and puts him in the finals against gable.

I can agree with your 3% chance for Kerk to beat Gable in the NCAA finals, but if Kerk is the 4 seed at B1G's it makes it pretty much impossible for him to be opposite gable at Nationals.

I appreciate the back-and-forth, and I guess I was thinking like WV Lion (correctly or incorrectly) that Kerk would be the 3 seed. No need to debate it - I'll live with however it turns out.

But I sort of disagree with you on the Cass match. While Dean winning might've altered his approach a bit, I really believe that Kerk simply thought he could win either or both of the 50/50 throws, even if it was Cass's preference. Now, I wholeheartedly agree that it wasn't the best strategy, as sticking to singles and doubles seems like it would be the winning approach. I'd much prefer him to stay away from throws next time, but don't be surprised if Kerk wants to prove to himself and others that he can win those upper body positions.

So if Kerk does get the 3 seed at B1Gs and faces Gable in the finals, assuming he loses to Gable , he should get the 2 or 3 seed at Nationals (depending on Shultz). That would keep him away from Gable until the Main Event - gives me chills even thinking about it. I think they'll make 285 the last match this year, regardless of who he faces, because Gable is this year's golden boy, and they want to see him do the backflip to end NCAAs and his career. Could you just imagine it if he were to be upset by Kerk (or even anyone else)? Greatest upset of all time?

 

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

Cass got pin by a tomato can.
It should be

gable
Kerk
Paris
Cass

it won’t be but us should be

 

[Tom McAndrew]

since some of you have been focusing on heavyweights in this thread, here's an article for you:

State of the Weight: Meet the NCAA wrestling leaders at 285 pounds

Gable Steveson is one of the best heavyweight wrestlers in NCAA wrestling history. With the national tournament just weeks away, we talked to some of his competitors to learn more about the depth of the weight and what makes this year's class so special.

www.ncaa.com

 

[psbc19]

since some of you have been focusing on heavyweights in this thread, here's an article for you:

State of the Weight: Meet the NCAA wrestling leaders at 285 pounds

Gable Steveson is one of the best heavyweight wrestlers in NCAA wrestling history. With the national tournament just weeks away, we talked to some of his competitors to learn more about the depth of the weight and what makes this year's class so special.

www.ncaa.com

Good stuff. Heavyweight has gotten a lot more fun to watch. Obviously Steveson is on another level, but I think it was Snyder that really paved the way for the type of wrestling we're seeing there now. I'm looking forward to seeing some of these other undefeated wrestlers from ASU and AF compete at nationals. It should be an epic battle for the other finalist spot

 

[AK1967]

Looking very forward to the interview with Cael tomorrow. Hope everyone is doing their homework. (Greg). Lol. Easy question would be do you think our starting lineup is well prepared for the Big Ten tournament this week and Nationals ? Hummm. Is Dean or Beard going 197 ?

 

[Bernard Shakey]

I appreciate the back-and-forth, and I guess I was thinking like WV Lion (correctly or incorrectly) that Kerk would be the 3 seed. No need to debate it - I'll live with however it turns out.

But I sort of disagree with you on the Cass match. While Dean winning might've altered his approach a bit, I really believe that Kerk simply thought he could win either or both of the 50/50 throws, even if it was Cass's preference. Now, I wholeheartedly agree that it wasn't the best strategy, as sticking to singles and doubles seems like it would be the winning approach. I'd much prefer him to stay away from throws next time, but don't be surprised if Kerk wants to prove to himself and others that he can win those upper body positions.

So if Kerk does get the 3 seed at B1Gs and faces Gable in the finals, assuming he loses to Gable , he should get the 2 or 3 seed at Nationals (depending on Shultz). That would keep him away from Gable until the Main Event - gives me chills even thinking about it. I think they'll make 285 the last match this year, regardless of who he faces, because Gable is this year's golden boy, and they want to see him do the backflip to end NCAAs and his career. Could you just imagine it if he were to be upset by Kerk (or even anyone else)? Greatest upset of all time?

I really hope that's the case. I may have gotten a little too caught up in the coaches poll and thought it would have more of an effect on seeding at B1Gs than it will. As long as Kerk gets the 3 seed I really like his chances. I'm sure Kerk thinks he could win those upper body positions, and I think he would be able to as well, but that dual match was the time to let it fly without too many consequences. Losing to Cass in the semi's at B1Gs(assuming the seeding goes the logical way) would have some pretty serious ramifications. So hopefully he gets coached to go out there and wrestle his match instead of the match Cass wants. If he wants to prove to everyone he can launch Cass, maybe wait until freestyle season or the dual with Iowa next year.

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

Looking very forward to the interview with Cael tomorrow. Hope everyone is doing their homework. (Greg). Lol. Easy question would be do you think our starting lineup is well prepared for the Big Ten tournament this week and Nationals ? Hummm. Is Dean or Beard going 197 ?

I heard Max won the coin toss