Updated Recruiting Rankings per Rivals
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I am very impressed. I am starting to grow a pretty think coat of wool about now. I am also on the verge of OM recruiting fanaticism. Not quite there but almost....
If you'd told me 12 months ago we'd be coming off an 8-win season and looking at at top-15 recruiting class, I'd have preobably tried to get you institutionalized. Look for Croom to start to become much less popular with our opponents' fans.
Well according to diamondreb or one of those other dumbasses, he's already in the Top 5 most likely coach to cheat in the SEC. If Croom keeps winning, you know good and damn well Bobby will have all kinds of private investigators living on our campus.
I didn't really see any of this coming. People on here said the winning season would pay off in this class.
Good call.
Good call.
Croom's recruiting has progressed. Going up against him forced Coach Croom to change some of his views on the matter.
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combine his style and Croom's, and you have a pretty solid recruiting effort. Croom's character boys that want to be at MSU plus a little talent.
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I actually posted an article on here the other day from ESPN where Croom said when he came in he saw no sense in offering scholarships to Juniors... I'm assuming they didn't offer until they were seniors when he was at Bama. Croom is hard headed and does things his way, but at least when he sees something isn't working he changes is ways... uhh, wait... our offense
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But really, he's said publicly that he has completely changed his philosophy of recruiting.
the class, oddly, has to do with reliance on Mississippi kids. Conner is the first out of state kid rated at over 3 stars in the past four years. Sooner or later, Ole Miss will string together decent seasons and we will begin to split the Mississippi kids again. I assume that Alabama, LSU, and Auburn will continue to pick off a few of the top kids no matter how well the in-state teams do. What has bothered me the most about all three MS D1 schools is the appalling number of really good athletes that just can't make it. The one thing that Orgeron had right was that no matter how great the players are in Mississippi, ultimately you can't build a team with non-qualifiers.
On another note, Nutt seeming lack of interest in recruiting has everybody freaking out. In the long run, his undoing will not be inability to coach, it will be unwillingness to recruit.
On another note, Nutt seeming lack of interest in recruiting has everybody freaking out. In the long run, his undoing will not be inability to coach, it will be unwillingness to recruit.
the whole recruiting deal. And unlike that Bruiser character, when I say I don't follow it, I literally mean that I don't care about what some 17 year old kid says. I just can't get into it. But it appears that Croom is making some noise in the recruiting process. That's good to hear, but it is absolutely vital that we make a bowl game this year. We must sustain the success we achieved this past year.
I am of the opinion that, IF Croom can garner some success and get the ball rolling, I think he can get it to snowball into something. Think about it, he is the first black SEC Coach ( and no, maroon is not all that matters, not in this day and age). After watching all the footage, if you don't think that guy could talk some 16 or 17 year old kid into coming to play for him I don't know what to tell you. F'n A man, I'm a 24 year old white kid (I am talking about myself, none of you know me me, I declare myself a kid despite your rules) that could barely run a 5 flat 40 and I'd give everything I have plus some after watching some of his pre game speeches. His coaching, to this point, is suspect.Getting players to believe in what he tells them is not, that's a damn good feeling.
We have to build on the foundation that was set last year. It's a must.
I won't say that it's going to happen. But I do feel better about it today than I did yesterday...
I am of the opinion that, IF Croom can garner some success and get the ball rolling, I think he can get it to snowball into something. Think about it, he is the first black SEC Coach ( and no, maroon is not all that matters, not in this day and age). After watching all the footage, if you don't think that guy could talk some 16 or 17 year old kid into coming to play for him I don't know what to tell you. F'n A man, I'm a 24 year old white kid (I am talking about myself, none of you know me me, I declare myself a kid despite your rules) that could barely run a 5 flat 40 and I'd give everything I have plus some after watching some of his pre game speeches. His coaching, to this point, is suspect.Getting players to believe in what he tells them is not, that's a damn good feeling.
We have to build on the foundation that was set last year. It's a must.
I won't say that it's going to happen. But I do feel better about it today than I did yesterday...
I agree on winning allowing Croom to recruit well, although that goes for every coach. With Croom's amount of media exposure and excellent reputation among other coaches and parents he should be able to consistently bring in good talent. First we have to keep winning though or this class wont hold together.</p>
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With the goal of putting the student back into student-athlete, the Cellular South Gameplan is designed to help young Mississippi athletes prepare for college and achieve their full potential through a series of in-school educational workshops and follow up sessions. Each workshop will include a specially designed curriculum that provides students with information on the necessary course and GPA requirements needed to meet NCAA standards and will offer tools and training on a variety of topics ranging from goal-setting to NCAA Clearinghouse eligibility. Follow-up counseling sessions will be available for additional support to help student-athletes continue on the right path to becoming a success at the next level.</p>
"Educating today's young people cannot be the sole responsibility of schools. It takes business, industry, the community and schools working in partnership ," explained Dr. Hank M. Bounds, state superintendent of education for Mississippi. "We have seen lots of examples of this over the past year. I appreciate Cellular South getting in the game to help our student-athletes graduate and fulfill their academic potential while excelling in their athletic endeavors."</p>
The Cellular South Gameplan will be rolled out to more than 25 high schools throughout the state, with a goal of more than 100 schools in two years. However, high school students throughout the state can receive support and guidance from the Cellular South Gameplan by visiting www.cellularsouthgameplan.com</p>
JACKSON, Miss. (January 22, 2007) - Cellular South, the nation's largest privately held wireless provider, today introduced the new Cellular South Gameplan aimed at increasing the success rate for college admission for Mississippi high school student-athletes.</p>
Cellular South has teamed up with the Mississippi High School Activities Association (MHSAA), the Mississippi Department of Education and Sports Dreammakers Inc. to launch the Cellular South Gameplan - an in-school program designed to inspire, prepare and inform teenage athletes about college opportunities and the possibilities of reaching their dreams through academic excellence. This ground-breaking educational program will help the more than 90,000 Mississippi high school athletes understand NCAA academic standards and scholarship funding opportunities, while providing the tools to master the skills necessary to be successful.</p>
" At Cellular South we are dedicated to helping provide Mississippi's youth the ongoing support they need to succeed," said Hu Meena, president and CEO of Cellular South. "We realize the potential of thousands of high school student-athletes throughout the state and are excited to launch the Cellular South Gameplan to make the dream of attending college a reality for so many talented young athletes."</p>
With the goal of putting the student back into student-athlete, the Cellular South Gameplan is designed to help young Mississippi athletes prepare for college and achieve their full potential through a series of in-school educational workshops and follow up sessions. Each workshop will include a specially designed curriculum that provides students with information on the necessary course and GPA requirements needed to meet NCAA standards and will offer tools and training on a variety of topics ranging from goal-setting to NCAA Clearinghouse eligibility. Follow-up counseling sessions will be available for additional support to help student-athletes continue on the right path to becoming a success at the next level.</p>
"Educating today's young people cannot be the sole responsibility of schools. It takes business, industry, the community and schools working in partnership ," explained Dr. Hank M. Bounds, state superintendent of education for Mississippi. "We have seen lots of examples of this over the past year. I appreciate Cellular South getting in the game to help our student-athletes graduate and fulfill their academic potential while excelling in their athletic endeavors."</p>
The Cellular South Gameplan will be rolled out to more than 25 high schools throughout the state, with a goal of more than 100 schools in two years. However, high school students throughout the state can receive support and guidance from the Cellular South Gameplan by visiting www.cellularsouthgameplan.com</p>
just formalized and offered to all top athletes in Mississippi. I guess that's a little ironic that so many MSU fans criticized Orgeron's "plan", and now that same plan is going to be used by MSU signees to get on track.
It's still a plan in its infancy though, and if you look at USM's recent non-qualifiers, you'll see that it didn't do a whole lot to improve things for this past class.
Maybe it'll have a profound impact on future classes of recruits as it gets them started earlier. However, I still think you'll see a decent number of qualifying issues from Mississippi players, because I don't think it fully addresses the ultimate problem, laziness.
Also, The number of required core hours was increased at basically the same time the GamePlan program began. I said at the time of the increase in core hours that Ole Miss and MSU were going to have two choices in recruiting 1) recruit a lot of kids from out of state, or 2) recruit the Jucos heavily and do a lot of sign and placing, because I figured there would only be a handful of quality athletes in state every year that would make the grades. We'll see if GamePlan can counteract the increase in core hours.
It's still a plan in its infancy though, and if you look at USM's recent non-qualifiers, you'll see that it didn't do a whole lot to improve things for this past class.
Maybe it'll have a profound impact on future classes of recruits as it gets them started earlier. However, I still think you'll see a decent number of qualifying issues from Mississippi players, because I don't think it fully addresses the ultimate problem, laziness.
Also, The number of required core hours was increased at basically the same time the GamePlan program began. I said at the time of the increase in core hours that Ole Miss and MSU were going to have two choices in recruiting 1) recruit a lot of kids from out of state, or 2) recruit the Jucos heavily and do a lot of sign and placing, because I figured there would only be a handful of quality athletes in state every year that would make the grades. We'll see if GamePlan can counteract the increase in core hours.
Notice, I didn't say "all" MSU fans, I said "many". And yes, there were many MSU fans making fun of or criticizing Orgeron for his use of "the plan" as it was called. However, now that it has been formalized, there are a lot of MSU fans praising the idea of a program that might get their signees directed to the necessary correspondence courses and ACT prep courses to gain eligibility.
It's just another one of those double standards you see. If my rival is doing it, it's bad. If my team is doing it, it's great. The Cellular South GamePlan is nohing more than Orgeron's plan being applied to more Mississippi athletes. I'll be the first to say that it'll be good for both Ole Miss and MSU if this program works and if more of the state's top talent is able to make it to school. I'm just not buying that it'll be all that successful yet.
It's just another one of those double standards you see. If my rival is doing it, it's bad. If my team is doing it, it's great. The Cellular South GamePlan is nohing more than Orgeron's plan being applied to more Mississippi athletes. I'll be the first to say that it'll be good for both Ole Miss and MSU if this program works and if more of the state's top talent is able to make it to school. I'm just not buying that it'll be all that successful yet.
indicated, in the long run the recruiting wars tend to even out between OM and MSU. If we start winning again, we will probably regain our slight edge. Hell, even out here in SoCal, UCLA manages to pick up a decent class every two or three years when local kids perceive USC's rosters to be full. Admittedly, it is a much different pool of talent here, but it is very difficult for programs to poach 4 and 5 star kids before USC and UCLA have their say on schollies. That has NEVER been the case in Mississippi. It is an annual rite that LSU, AUB, ALA, and TEN take at least one top drawer kid, with OKL, MIA, FSU, and UGA seemingly alternating years to take the number three or four player in the state. Assuming a 40/40/10/10 split between MSU, OM, USM, and those mentioned above and the top 40 kids don't stretch very far. (16/16/4/4 if you are counting)
Likewise, I am not convinced that the Cellular South plan will do more than keep a handful of partial qualifiers from going to prep school. Like it or not, the public school system in Mississippi is abysmal and the ACT/SAT is still a part of the process. Check out Mississippi's placement on those. In 2007, the only jurisdiction scoring lower than MS was DC and both were 2.5 points or almost 10% below the national average. That is a massive deficiency to make up. The only reason that MS ranks higher on the SAT is because less than 5% of high school graduates in MS take the SAT and their average GPA is above a 3.6, while 96% of graduates take the ACT with an average GPA of 2.5. The statistical anomaly of "regression to the mean" is at work here.
But, again, grades are only a part of the issue when it comes to recruiting primarily in MS.
Likewise, I am not convinced that the Cellular South plan will do more than keep a handful of partial qualifiers from going to prep school. Like it or not, the public school system in Mississippi is abysmal and the ACT/SAT is still a part of the process. Check out Mississippi's placement on those. In 2007, the only jurisdiction scoring lower than MS was DC and both were 2.5 points or almost 10% below the national average. That is a massive deficiency to make up. The only reason that MS ranks higher on the SAT is because less than 5% of high school graduates in MS take the SAT and their average GPA is above a 3.6, while 96% of graduates take the ACT with an average GPA of 2.5. The statistical anomaly of "regression to the mean" is at work here.
But, again, grades are only a part of the issue when it comes to recruiting primarily in MS.
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