Upstate Eight (East)

SilverHelmet

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But they're not in the Upstate 8 and most teams would be playoff teams if they played in the Upstate 8.
Just pointing out that they have been a decent level team for RB to schedule. Better than playing a weak CPS or some of the other local options. Again it is a team that beat RB last year. Who else is RB going to play? It no longer was interesting for Naz to play them. LT would be a waste of time for both. Maybe Curie?
 

4Afan

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Just pointing out that they have been a decent level team for RB to schedule. Better than playing a weak CPS or some of the other local options. Again it is a team that beat RB last year. Who else is RB going to play? It no longer was interesting for Naz to play them. LT would be a waste of time for both. Maybe Curie?
Why does it have to be a team in their backyard? Massey has them ranked as #140 in the state, Sterling is #141, what's stopping RB from setting up a home and home with them? Hillcrest is #135 or they'd probably matchup well with anyone in the SPC East.
 

MustangFB

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Actually I disagree with the GBS thought, their other out of conference games: Aurora East 2-6 (ranked 468) GBS won 47-0 starters sat by halftime, and Larkin 0-8 (ranked 450) is this weekend who only has 22 total players available so they are playing no special teams and running clock. That's as easy as it gets for wins, you can play the freshman b team backwards and get victories against AE and Larkin.

GBE did a great job on scheduling, and I think you are kind of making my point. The WB is a rivalry game going way back, and GBE won both very close well played games. The WA game was also a well played and hard fought game by both teams this year.
When you ask what do people want, just ask the players. GBE played GBS this past weekend in another tough well fought battle with both teams having chances to win late in 4th quarter. I seen about 12 or so GBS players at a friends neighbor's house after that game and almost to the player they all pretty much said they would rather play games they lose 21-14 and it be a fight the whole game versus play games they win 47-0 and sit by half time and run nothing they work on in practice because they a curtesy running.

Agreed, scheduling WWS or MC is and would be over correcting IMO, but there are plenty of schools that fall into the range like Willowbrook, Downers South etc.. in the area. However I think the solution can be found right in the conference itself, as I mentioned in a previous post.

This week GBE vs RB will be tale of the tape in IMO. One school played one game they had to fight hard to win, and the other as mentioned above played several hard fought games.
This all comes down to players and their want to compete. They cant control who is on the schedule but AD's and Coaches can now with out of conference games.

Love the convo, thanks, and part of why I love HS football.
Glenbard South/larkin game should be a forfiet.
 

Still Missing34

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The smart thing to do for the teams that are bottom of the barrel in the Upstate 8 is leave and form their own conference. Teams like West Aurora and Glenbard South wouldn't be left out because they'd have the opportunity to play teams like the Valley schools and even the Plainfield.

Maybe there does need to be a conference that includes the some of the Glenbard Schools, the Valley Schools, and the Plainfields. That'd be a pretty equitable and fair conference.
West Aurora has already run away from both the Valley and Plainfield schools.
 

IHSAfan207

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It looks like RB and GE both played a similar number competitive games. RB opened with a tight one vs Niles West and had a close game vs Glenbard South. Hinsdale South is usually is decent team. They seem to be down this year. GE played Willowbrook, WA and GS.
Ultimately the conference is bad at football and that is unfortunate for the few competitive teams. If there could be a football only conference with some swapping with the WSC-G then group of GE, GS, RB, Addison Trail, Willowbrook, Downers Grove South might be well matched.
I understand what you are trying to say but the stats dont back it. Niles West is 1-7 and ranked 373 in the state. If this was tight one, it goes to my point that RB is probably over rated by being in U8. GBS is a very average team, and it took a successful on side kick late to win that game for RB. But it goes back to my original point of U8 teams need to start playing better competition if they want a real chance to compete in playoffs.
For this convo, here is how I see State rankings (and yes I understand they are not subjective)
1-25 (real chance to win state title)
26-50 (can ruin the party for some)
51-99 (above average can make some noise)
100-150 (average teams most likely not getting past second round)
151-250 (below average teams usually door mats for teams with a pulse)
251 and up (trash that all of the teams mentioned above should beat without issue)
*obviously selection and draw can factor is a team making a better than expected run (we all of have seen CCL/ESCC ranked worse than a CPS in the playoffs and the CPS get demolished.)
 

IHSAfan207

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Just pointing out that they have been a decent level team for RB to schedule. Better than playing a weak CPS or some of the other local options. Again it is a team that beat RB last year. Who else is RB going to play? It no longer was interesting for Naz to play them. LT would be a waste of time for both. Maybe Curie?
Ideally they should be looking for games vs team usually ranked in the 100-200 range. And there are 2 sitting in the U8 West Division in West Aurora and South Elgin. This year RB took on in out of conference state ranking: 373, 270, and 307. Cupcakes by definition, but could have / should have/had SE (101) and WA (121). Keep a cupcake and go play some football and learn to compete. For reference GBS played (including this weekend) 5 clocked games, starters sitting by half time, not utilizing playbook, how in the world does that make anyone better? They have the ability to cut the clocked games in half or more by properly realigning the East and West. U8 players get to robbed.
 

ClownBaby

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Glenbard S scheduled Wheaton South.
GBS scheduled this game knowing they were going to lose but would still be able to get a minimum of 6 or 7 wins and make the playoffs. The thought was they needed to see teams a couple levels above them if they wanted to progress as a program and be able to compete in the playoffs since the U8 is pretty weak. It's similar to how Maine South approaches their non-conference schedule. This was the last year of the series anyway, it looks like WWS and Glenbard West and going to start playing again in the season opener like they have done 70 of the last 100 years.
 
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SilverHelmet

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if they want a real chance to compete in playoffs.
For this convo, here is how I see State rankings (and yes I understand they are not subjective)
1-25 (real chance to win state title)
1-25 is a stretch. 6A-8A have about 3 teams that realistically have a chance to win. Been that way for about 5 years.
 

HuskieFan2020

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1-25 is a stretch. 6A-8A have about 3 teams that realistically have a chance to win. Been that way for about 5 years.
The thing is, people only complain about who's winning when it comes to the playoffs. When it comes to the regular season, the system and the setup is just fine. If people want the playoff system to change, bigger schools that are powerhouses need to change the format of the regular season.

But that won't be happening anytime soon.
 

Still Missing34

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What are the Upstate 8 non conference games looking like?
Usually fairly weak, because they want to try to get 2 wins and hope they beat West Chicago, East Aurora, Fenton or Larkin for a playoff bid.

West Aurora is playing Hinsdale Central and Belleville East

Glenbard East is playing Willowbrook and Batavia

Probably the best OOC scheduled games.
 
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Cross Bones

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Usually fairly weak, because they want to try to get 2 wins and hope they beat West Chicago, East Aurora, Fenton or Larkin for a playoff bid.

West Aurora is playing Hinsdale Central and Belleville East

Glenbard East is playing Willowbrook and Batavia

Probably the best OOC scheduled games.
Just trying to make sure their games are approved by the folk who think they need to be playing MC and Loyola.
 
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Cross Bones

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East Aurora made the playoffs in the UEC, first time since 1982.
Sadly, everyone is making the playoffs this upcoming season. In some ways I am more excited about the upcoming season than any other in over a decade. Then I remember the lack of urgency this 2 win threshold will create and it tamps down my anticipation.
 

Still Missing34

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Sadly, everyone is making the playoffs this upcoming season. In some ways I am more excited about the upcoming season than any other in over a decade. Then I remember the lack of urgency this 2 win threshold will create and it tamps down my anticipation.
Clearly, I follow HS football still, but I'm definitely in the "can't wait to experience" College Saturdays in various places phase of my football fandom.
 
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IHSAfan207

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Usually fairly weak, because they want to try to get 2 wins and hope they beat West Chicago, East Aurora, Fenton or Larkin for a playoff bid.

West Aurora is playing Hinsdale Central and Belleville East

Glenbard East is playing Willowbrook and Batavia

Probably the best OOC scheduled games.
GBS replaced WWS, Aurora East, and Larkin with Breman, Lake Park, and West Aurora. I will give credit where credit is due, definitely a better OOC schedule, more balanced for them to compete.
 
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Still Missing34

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GBS replaced WWS, Aurora East, and Larkin with Breman, Lake Park, and West Aurora. I will give credit where credit is due, definitely a better OOC schedule, more balanced for them to compete.
Yeah, a better chance of 3-0, but also a chance at 1-2, instead of a likely 2-1 outcome with the previous schedule.