Y'all take it easy on the Lady Heels.....if we can keep it within 20 of the Gamecocks it will be a nice stepping stone for the ladies.
USC vs UNC
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Thanks Captn. Your team looked impressive last night. I hope we handle business.
We're either going to win a most satisfying victory when we are supposed to be the better team or suffer one of the most dispiriting defeats in our history. This is going to be a bipolar game.
Why would you call Northern Colorado "Carolina?" Remember - UNC = University of Northern Colorado. UnCarolina = University of North Carolina.
The female announcer calling the UnCarolina vs Arizona game kept erroneously referring to the Tarholes as "Carolina." I'm hard-pressed to call her a journalist, however.
North Carolina (25-6, 13-5 ACC) plays a very strong defense - ranked 19th in Scoring Defense, 6th in FG Percentage Defense, 16th in 3-pt FG % Defense. Compared to USC ranked 3rd, 1st, and 19th in those categories, respectively. UNC played against a relatively weak non-conference schedule - ranked 134th per Warren Nolan - and went 6-6 against Quad 1 NET opponents, which are supposedly their toughest opponents played this season. They were 5-6 versus Quad 1 RPI opponents.
As such, their stats take a little dip once the ACC schedule commences - overall they scored 18.16 more points per game than their competition, but only scored 9.83 more than their ACC foes. Rebounded 7.3 more than their overall slate, but only 3.5 more than ACC opponents. Overall UNC's SOS was ranked 52nd, so conference play was substantially more competitive than non-conference, and the stats seem to reflect this.
South Carolina's SOS overall was ranked 1st in the nation, and their non-conference was ranked 4th nationally, so USC's schedule overall was considered as much the toughest as it can get for this season. USC went 19-2 against Quad 1 NET opponents (!!!) and 17-2 (!!!) against Quad 1 RPI opponents. If anything, their stats on the season showed a slight UP-tick once SEC play began: the Gamecocks averaged more PPG (71.7 ppg vs 70.8 overall) and rebounding (48.9 rpg vs 48.3 rpg) in SEC play than they did in non-SEC play. The FG % and 3-pt FG % were very similar - if anything they improved in SEC play (.434 vs .427 overall, and .305 vs .305 respectively) or stayed the same from their production in non-conference play, while defensively (.325 vs .322 overall and .259 vs .266 overall) was the same, more or less.
The Gamecocks (31-2, 15-1 SEC) scored at an average of 20.6 ppg more than their opponents overall (good for 2nd nationally), and scored 20.5 ppg more during conference play (led the SEC), and out-rebounded opponents by 17.9 rpg overall (1st nationally) and by 17.6 rpg in SEC games (1st in SEC). So the team has been VERY consistent this season in their game output, from non-conference to conference play - which indicates that as Warren Nolan determines, BOTH the Gamecocks' non-conference and conference slates were equally competitive.
So what does all this mean for the game Friday?? That against an opponent as competitive as South Carolina, North Carolina has been hit or miss in their games, while similarly the Gamecocks have performed much better. The game will be held in Greensboro, NC which may give UNC the "home-territory" edge, but South Carolina blows the Tarheels out of the water when it comes to fanbase support, so it would not surprise me to see more Garnet in the stands than blue. But this is a rivalry-feel type of program series, and I'm sure the Tarheels will be coming for blood. Against a similar opponent - N.C. State - the Tarheels were swept during their season by the Wolfpack by 27 and 8 pts respectively. The 8-point loss was in Chapel Hill.
North Carolina was 12-5 in road and neutral games, while South Carolina was 16-2 in such games.....
As such, their stats take a little dip once the ACC schedule commences - overall they scored 18.16 more points per game than their competition, but only scored 9.83 more than their ACC foes. Rebounded 7.3 more than their overall slate, but only 3.5 more than ACC opponents. Overall UNC's SOS was ranked 52nd, so conference play was substantially more competitive than non-conference, and the stats seem to reflect this.
South Carolina's SOS overall was ranked 1st in the nation, and their non-conference was ranked 4th nationally, so USC's schedule overall was considered as much the toughest as it can get for this season. USC went 19-2 against Quad 1 NET opponents (!!!) and 17-2 (!!!) against Quad 1 RPI opponents. If anything, their stats on the season showed a slight UP-tick once SEC play began: the Gamecocks averaged more PPG (71.7 ppg vs 70.8 overall) and rebounding (48.9 rpg vs 48.3 rpg) in SEC play than they did in non-SEC play. The FG % and 3-pt FG % were very similar - if anything they improved in SEC play (.434 vs .427 overall, and .305 vs .305 respectively) or stayed the same from their production in non-conference play, while defensively (.325 vs .322 overall and .259 vs .266 overall) was the same, more or less.
The Gamecocks (31-2, 15-1 SEC) scored at an average of 20.6 ppg more than their opponents overall (good for 2nd nationally), and scored 20.5 ppg more during conference play (led the SEC), and out-rebounded opponents by 17.9 rpg overall (1st nationally) and by 17.6 rpg in SEC games (1st in SEC). So the team has been VERY consistent this season in their game output, from non-conference to conference play - which indicates that as Warren Nolan determines, BOTH the Gamecocks' non-conference and conference slates were equally competitive.
So what does all this mean for the game Friday?? That against an opponent as competitive as South Carolina, North Carolina has been hit or miss in their games, while similarly the Gamecocks have performed much better. The game will be held in Greensboro, NC which may give UNC the "home-territory" edge, but South Carolina blows the Tarheels out of the water when it comes to fanbase support, so it would not surprise me to see more Garnet in the stands than blue. But this is a rivalry-feel type of program series, and I'm sure the Tarheels will be coming for blood. Against a similar opponent - N.C. State - the Tarheels were swept during their season by the Wolfpack by 27 and 8 pts respectively. The 8-point loss was in Chapel Hill.
North Carolina was 12-5 in road and neutral games, while South Carolina was 16-2 in such games.....
He's not asking to leap-frog over anyone....he's including this one - if it happens - in the same box with the others.......
It's more fraught than that because of the opponent and the situation. It is not a time for ambivalence. And I would not suppose you are ambivalent.
If the sad event happens, I won't try to rank it. If it doesn't, I'll enjoy the added satisfaction attached to who they are.. If you knew some of my acquaintances, you would well understand.
Which would be more euphoric than beating, say, Iowa State as a brand - not more important, but more euphoric.
Thanks!
If you look at their games that were against competitive teams...... They were 1-5 against teams with an elite post player 0-2 vs NCSU 1-2 vs Va tech 0-1 vs Ga Tech. They beat L’ville by 1 on a last second shot and lost to ND. The win last night was their second best win of the year.
They do not have post depth or height. It will be interesting to see if they abandon their man to man principles and junk it up.
As to their OOC schedule, they only played two Power 5 teams, Minnesota and TCU, neither of which were worth a dang.
I just don’t see UNcarolina scoring 55 unless they have great first half before we make any needed adjustments
I'm going to really enjoy Friday evening, then, along with lots of other people around here.
People like us still hate 'em. The other people don't get it and never will, but they can't help it.
Just another game on Tobacco Road……..just hope the tar doesn’t screw up their souls.
THey would need to read regional newspapers from the 1960s and, if there's any videotape left, see some of our games from the period as well.
It will never happen unless they can view them on their phones. I still don't think they would understand. You had to be there IMHO.
I never went to a hoops game until after we left the ACC. I attended three football games before we left. Dook 1968, Clemron, 1969, and our last game as a member at Clemron 1970.
But yes, reading the newspapers and seeing the games on TV; I understood. When I first saw the 1971-72 hoops schedule, and Clemron the only ACC school on it, I began to have my doubts. Within a couple of years of seeing exciting ACC basketball on the tube and us no longer a part of it, I knew for certain we made a mistake by leaving.
We're in a great position in the SEC. But the intensity of the SEC rivals over the past 18 years doesn't compare to the ones developed in our 18 years in the ACC and the SoCon prior.
You and I know why the SEC rivalries will never be as intense as those from the ACC, King, but for those who will only look it up if it's on their phone, here's some of it. Please note that this is based on the 8-member league we left spread over 4 states, not the current 15-member behemoth covering 10 states.
- Fewer schools in the league - you can play everyone in every sport every year. And twice in basketball.
- Geographic proximity - easier to follow your conference rivals and attend away contests. You'll also play more OOC contests against the same schools as your conference rivals.
- Overlapping media coverage - result of geographic proximity
The Tarholes and Wake are in opposite ACC divisions, and the league football schedule didn't have them playing each other for several years. Thus, the two schools contracted with each other for an OOC home-and-home on the gridiron over the past couple of years which does not count in the conference standings.
So here's the tradeoff: A smaller, geographically compact league generally makes for more intense, meaningful rivalries. A larger, more spread-out league gives the league more exposure and ideally more $$$, but at the expense of less meaningful rivalries. There are no right or wrong answers here; what works for one school doesn't always work for another.
Never will was a correct observation by king and you have outlined exactly the reasons why. Those days are gone forever I'm afraid. Money talks and I bet if you asked most old time ACC fans probably feel just as we do. Since there expansion the intensity In the ACC is not the same either.
The ACC I pine for no longer exists. The best I can hope for is that USC can schedule as many of our old ACC rivals (including Maryland) in as many sports as we can on an ongoing basis. WBB is a good example of this.