Veazey weighs in on the Ole Miss Sports year...

[state319]

In today's post "How bad was this athletic year? Let’s dive into a mountain of information."

Veazey compares the Wins and Losses from the Bulldog and the Black Bears since 1970, in that:

MSU: 22 Winning Seasons over UM
UM: 16 Winning Seasons over MSU

2 were ties

An interesting look over the past 40 years...

 

[dawgstudent]

http://blogs.clarionledge...mountain-of-information/

 

[dawgstudent]

http://blogs.clarionledge...mountain-of-information/

 

[RebelBruiser]

One flaw I'll always point out in trying to add up football, baseball, and basketball wins is that you only play 1 football game per year compared to at least 2 in basketball and at least 4 now in baseball.

Throw in the fact that football counts more to fans than the other sports, and it's more flawed. He points all of that out, especially the part about the most weight going on the sport that the fans tend to place the least weight on (baseball).

The other thing I don't think he does a good job stating is the difference in making the NCAA tournament or bowl games today versus 20-30 years ago. Granted, our basketball and baseball programs sucked in those eras, and so did our football program most of that time, but in today's era, making the NCAA field or a bowl game is not nearly as big of an accomplishment as it was back then.

So yes, I'm belittling the number of postseason appearances he's shown for us recently and saying that "success" isn't nearly that much better than what we used to have.

 

[KurtRambis4]

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[Chickamauga]

Warner Alford retired the statetrophy for survivingyour own ineptitude.</p>

Ouch. A grand total of four — four! — postseason appearances in the 80s. None in baseball. Only one in basketball, and that was in 1981.

 

[awalkerdog]

 

[Shmuley]

The "success" of UM's big three in reaching the post-season since 02/03 gives Peter Boone and his cronies plenty of ammo to substantiate why he should stay in power.

So you need to STFU, bruiser.

 

[bonedaddy401]

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[fishwater99]

All you care about is Football and <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Tennis</span>.. I thought you were a baseball school anyway.
I think State fans care about what all of our teams do, especially in Baseball, Football, and Basketball. You can try to rationalize it all that you want, but the facts are hard to dispute. Now go back to talking about how great your football recruiting class is...

 

[LightninInside]

And they want to rid the man that brought them there.

Until this article, they probably didn't even realize that they are doing better now athletically then ever before.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

"That's a load of homer crap"

 

[dawgstudent]

<p style="text-align: left;">From 2002-2003 academic year...</p><p style="text-align: left"> </p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

In the SEC, that's the way it is. Football comes first at every school not named Kentucky or Vanderbilt, and then there is everything else. Basketball comes second, and baseball is third.

No one would make an argument against that. Is there a huge deal made out of baseball or basketball signing day every year? The top hits for any SEC website come on FOOTBALL signing day. Do people follow fall baseball like they do spring football?

 

[RebelBruiser]

The "success" of UM's big three in reaching the post-season since 02/03 gives Peter Boone and his cronies plenty of ammo to substantiate why he should stay in power.

So you need to STFU, bruiser.

I hate you, but our homers that are content with the status quo would make a very similar argument. It doesn't matter what has changed in the environment of college sports. We should compare ourselves to ourselves and not even adjust the results based on how easy things are today versus how they were in the past.

Just because we sucked in the past doesn't mean we should strive to be just ahead of sucking now.

That said, I do realize we have certain limitations in certain athletic programs, but we're still not even pushing those limitations.

 

[KurtRambis4]

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[idog]

In the SEC, that's the way it is. Football comes first at every school not named Kentucky or Vanderbilt, and then there is everything else. Basketball comes second, and baseball is third.

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">No one would make an argument against that</span>. Is there a huge deal made out of baseball or basketball signing day every year? The top hits for any SEC website come on FOOTBALL signing day. Do people follow fall baseball like they do spring football?

i'd rank basketball even with football.

signed// No one

 

[RebelBruiser]

but no one COULD make a legitimate argument to say that SEC fans, as a whole, treat basketball even on equal footing to football.

Football is king. That's why the SEC got the huge TV deal a few years back for football, and basketball was basically a throw in by ESPN to close the deal. SEC football is a HUGE TV draw. SEC basketball, not so much.

That's why the SEC has 7 football stadiums that seat over 80,000 (2 over 100k), and the largest basketball arenas are around 20,000 (only two in that range that I can think of, Rupp and Walton). That's why the SEC had 9 football coaches making over $2M a year last year, including one at $6M, while basketball's highest paid coach is around $4M, and only 3 coaches (that I could find) bring in over $2M.

As I said, there really is no argument. Football IN THE SEC is bigger than basketball. It means more to the average SEC fan.

And again, my point about signing day plays out all over the SEC. Every SEC site has its biggest day on football signing day, not basketball signing day.

 

[idog]

but no one COULD make a legitimate argument to say that SEC fans, as a whole, treat basketball even on equal footing to football.

Football is king. That's why the SEC got the huge TV deal a few years back for football, and basketball was basically a throw in by ESPN to close the deal. SEC football is a HUGE TV draw. SEC basketball, not so much.

That's why the SEC has 7 football stadiums that seat over 80,000 (2 over 100k), and the largest basketball arenas are around 20,000 (only two in that range that I can think of, Rupp and Walton). That's why the SEC had 9 football coaches making over $2M a year last year, including one at $6M, while basketball's highest paid coach is around $4M, and only 3 coaches (that I could find) bring in over $2M.

As I said, there really is no argument. Football IN THE SEC is bigger than basketball. It means more to the average SEC fan.

And again, my point about signing day plays out all over the SEC. Every SEC site has its biggest day on football signing day, not basketball signing day.

i just did. and i, like, totally, agree with you...signing day is everything!** whatever makes you and the guys in that sad photo above feel better.

 

[fishwater99]

And again, my point about signing day plays out all over the SEC. Every SEC site has its biggest day on football signing day, not basketball signing day.

Basketball has two signing periods, one in the fall and one in the spring. Also, there are only 13 scholarship players in basketball compared to 85 in football, so it is easy to understand the difference in the two sports on signing days... Not to mention all the sidewalk fans that go Nutts over football recruiting rankings that don't even know the rules in basketball. I will agree that at most schools in the SEC football is King, but there are exceptions...

 

[Stormrider81]

1 football win = 2 in basketball and 4 in baseball? Typical Bruiser nonsense.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

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[615dawg]

is that we are a couple of basketball bubble teams and four inches in the LSU game from being tied for fifth in the entire SEC over the last 10 years, despite the Croom error. That close to being in the top half of the SEC in major sport postseason appearances.

This decade, (beginning 2010-11), only Florida has all three. We're sitting tied for second with Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. Tied for tenth with one is LSU and Auburn. Ole Miss is dead last with 0.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I will agree that at most schools in the SEC football is King, but there are exceptions...

Yes, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

Like I said, the SEC is a football first conference. That doesn't mean every team in the SEC is football first, but most of them are. If you asked the average SEC fan which sport they want to win a national championship in the most, the majority would say football.

The signing day comparison might not be a good one to use, but there are many others.

Harvey Updyke didn't poison trees after a basketball loss to Auburn. The rivalries and games in football mean more to the vast majority of SEC fans than any other sport. It's stupid to try to argue that any other sport is king in the SEC or even close to it.