Did we REALLY hire him to coach TE when he has not coached that position for a quarter century? His pay seems high for a TE coach. Is he really here to help the OL?
Very late to discussing the Shawn Elliott hire, but...
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He is the running game coordinator. So he will oversee OL, RB, TE and the running game as a whole.
I guarantee you he'll get into technique if he has to.
This is my thinking. His specialty is OL. I just can't see any rationale in us bringing in him to coach TE when he hasn't coached that position in 25 years. He is an OL coach.
You might be putting too much emphasis on the TE coaching job in general. Beamer had never coached TEs in his life before UGA in 2016. Jody Wright had coached TEs for a total of one year for Jax St in 2013. Not exactly a position you value a ton of experience at.
I suppose this is what I'm getting at. We had the TE position open, so that's his title. I would be surprised, however, if he's not heavily involved with the OL. As an OL coach who will be coordinating our run game, I don't see how he can't be heavily involved. With the train wreck performance our OL put on display last year, they need all the help they can get.
It will be very interesting to see if our OL play is magically improved this year after adding Elliott.
To be honest, though, I really can't recall how he fared as OL coach here. Too many things have transpired since then.
People will nitpick everything. But here's the bottom line. Our running game was crap before he got here. It was good while he was here. End of discussion.
Gotcha. Didn't bring it up in a disparaging way. I truly have no recollection of our OL play from that time. It seems we haven't been really good at OL in a long time, but memories get muddles.
Yeah, was just a general comment. People will say we gave up too many sacks, while ignoring Garcia and Shaw both took way too many sacks trying to make plays with their legs. I saw the comment that Marcus had to run through too many tackles and never had a hole. But after Marcus Davis was 18 yards from having back to back 1,000 yard seasons. Before Marcus, Miles was very productive, as was Wilds when called upon. He also put a good amount of OL in the NFL while here.
Beamer made a sideways move to get OL help without making it official.
Just like there are different passing concepts, there are different running concepts. Different blocking schemes up front. If you want anything beyond that, I'm not your guy. lol
I made the comment abou Lattimore. In what was the norm for him, the Georgia game was the one that caught the most attention.
38 touches, 198 total yards. 29 broken tackles. 127 yards after first contact
Sacks ranking 84, 85, 110, 53, 68. The notion we have of too many sacks because Shaw and Garcia tried to do too much with their isn’t true either. While I’m sure they took some sacks, they avoided much more than they took.
Again, do I think he can help the OL? Absolutely. Good hire? Yes. OL savant? No.
However, I’ll gladly eat crow if I’m wrong!
His best lines were with a couple of Wolford's recruits, Cann and Robinson. The two best when he left were both walk-ons. His teaching technique may be okay.....but no so much his eval and recruiting. Hiring Elliott is probably a pretty good stop-gap measure to get Teasley 2/4 more years experience in on the field coaching because you don't want to lose his recruiting.
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We’ll agree to disagree on Garcia/Shaw. There’s no way to quantify it, just my opinion based off of how pissed I was always getting watching them get sacked outside the tackle box, or just running out of bounds for a sack. That was especially a problem with Garcia.
How many OL savants are there in the country? I’m not calling him that. But I think he makes our running game better. Our running game was much better with him than it was before and after him.
Good comments here. What I like about the hire is that, along with Coley, Shawn provides experience on that side of the ball. I am not sold on Loggains (but better than Satterfield). Cannot overlook that his GA state teams were 4-1 in bowls,, telling me he is good at preparation of players. Also, having been a Head Coach, he will be a sounding board for Beamer. Elliott, Coley and DeCamillis give us a good triumvirate of experience and maturity. I like it.
Sounds about right. I hope the hire produces results, but anytime Elliott comes up, the biggest selling point s that he really loves the Gamecocks, not his coaching.
He was more than the OL coach, he was the run game coordinator. Here are the rushing offense rankings since HBC was hired in 2005:
2005 - 108
2006 - 49
2007 - 101
2008 - 112
2009 - 91
Elliott Hired
2010 - 60
2011 - 25
2012 - 89
2013 - 32
2014 - 65
2015 - 87 (Throw away/dumpster fire year, SE named interim game 6, not retained by Chump)
2016 - 108
2017 - 110
2018 - 91
2019 - 82
2020 - 60 (Covid year, no defense played anywhere, throw away year...Muschamp fired mid season, Beamer hired)
2021 - 93
2022 - 105
2023 - 126
Avg rush ranking w/ Elliott - 54 (not including 2015)
Avg rush ranking w/o Elliott - 98 (not including Covid year)
People can bang on him all they want. His 5 years were by far our best rushing numbers in the last 2 decades. You want to criticize pass pro, fine. He's got nothing to do with that now. Maybe that was by design. But it's pretty obvious our running game needs help. And I'm excited as hell to have Sellars, Rocket, Attaway, Howell, JuJu paired up with him.
Agree. As referenced above, it's a smart sideways move by Beamer to shore up the OL with more coaching/technique without formally replacing Teasley and disrupting the ''Great Wall of Carolina'' we have coming in.
I wasn't knocking him. Just noting that anytime he comes up, the first thing noted is usually how much he loves USC. That or how energetic he is.
The sacks allowed ranking is a weak metric to judge the effectiveness of an OL. There's usually a 50-60 spot gap for every sack allowed per game. That's not a very be impact to the game. For example, when I look at his last year on the NCAA site, we were tied at 70, giving up 2.17 SPG. 1.17 would have put us at 19. I don't think anyone would have even noticed if we gave up one less sack per game out of 60-70 offensive plays. Just not a good indicator.
TEs are a part of the run game. But yeah, he was hired to help the run blocking.
One thing is for certain. In his career, he's never had the OL talent he's going to have to work with.
He brings a lot to the table. Experience as a hc ,experience as an ol coach, recruiting ties in Georgia, South Carolina and hopefully some residual effect in North Carolina from his App. St. days.
TEs are part of the offensive line. He was a head coach so I dare say he knows what TEs should do on every play. It’s football. Offensive lineman end up being d coordinators. Former receivers coach DBs. There are coaches that never played. Show me a coach that only coached one position for 25 years and I will show you an under achiever.
Great move hiring him back.
Why, specifically, is it a great move?
Anyway, I would say it’s fairly unusual for a team to hire a guy to coach a position that he has not coached in a quarter century. You can fact check me on that, though.
It is not a weak metric. It is rankings based directly off of stats. Now, I do understand your point, but that doesn’t change the fact that every year, close to half of the teams in Div 1 gave up less sacks than we did. Even if it was just 1 less.
A lot of the stats have little to do with Elliott, although I’m sure some do. He did bring the zone concept, which ML was made for. ML was a horse with excellent vision that could find creases that most backs can’t find. He created yardage when there was none. Davis was the same way, but not to ML’s extent.
I do think Elliott was an upgrade over Hunt. I do think he is better than the current and preceding coach.