Washington Recrootin......

[OG Goat Holder]

From 247 composite:

2019 - 15
2020 - 16
2021 - 30
2022 - 95??
2023 - 26
2024 - 36

Now, I realize COVID has crootin all jacked up, and the portal makes things different, especially at QB. But I see two things there, Washington must have a ton of upperclassmen and obviously Penix/DJ playing well has helped them. But their WRs looked good to me too. And what happens next year when a lot of these guys leave and they play a B1G sked year in and year out? Eeek.

I am on record saying I thought Texas would shut them down, and they didn't. But now, they have to play like that two weeks in a row, with a muscle team in Michigan ready for them. I tend to think this turns out like TCU last year - they brought the fight for one week, but when they had to do it twice, they got flattened.

Or Penix does what he does yet again. But either way, the crootin was interesting. Seems Deboer is living off the inherited talent and the portal. 95? How do you get that bad, even in a transition year? And since then, they look like us.

 

[mstateglfr]

I am on record saying I thought Texas would shut them down, and they didn't.

I tend to think this turns out like TCU last year - they brought the fight for one week, but when they had to do it twice, they got flattened.

Or Penix does what he does yet again.

So you predicted Texas would shut them down and that didnt happen. You now predict they will get flattened like TCU last year...or Penix does what he does and they will win.

Well, that is quite the new prediction- they will lose...or win.

 

[Colonel Kang]

Here is Washington's schedule next year. I don't think they come close to competing for the playoff with Rogers & this schedule.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

So you predicted Texas would shut them down and that didnt happen. You now predict they will get flattened like TCU last year...or Penix does what he does and they will win.

Well, that is quite the new prediction- they will lose...or win.

That's kind of the point, dick. I was wrong about them due to the factors I mentioned. I really don't GAF about being right or wrong here, but the phenomena is interesting to me.

The power conference schedule grind is a real thing. TCU saw it last year. Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA might find out next year.

I don't expect you to go much further than surface level here. I mean, you honestly think MS and IA are similar states.

 

[patdog]

Put those same classes in the SEC & they’d be much higher rated. At least 3 in the top 10 & all in top 20 except the one.

 

[ronpolk]

From 247 composite:

2019 - 15
2020 - 16
2021 - 30
2022 - 95??
2023 - 26
2024 - 36

Now, I realize COVID has crootin all jacked up, and the portal makes things different, especially at QB. But I see two things there, Washington must have a ton of upperclassmen and obviously Penix/DJ playing well has helped them. But their WRs looked good to me too. And what happens next year when a lot of these guys leave and they play a B1G sked year in and year out? Eeek.

I am on record saying I thought Texas would shut them down, and they didn't. But now, they have to play like that two weeks in a row, with a muscle team in Michigan ready for them. I tend to think this turns out like TCU last year - they brought the fight for one week, but when they had to do it twice, they got flattened.

Or Penix does what he does yet again. But either way, the crootin was interesting. Seems Deboer is living off the inherited talent and the portal. 95? How do you get that bad, even in a transition year? And since then, they look like us.

Im not making a prediction on the game because i think Michigan is good and the game could go either way. But if you predicted Texas to shut them down, you clearly didn’t watch them any this year. They are very good and it’s not just Pennix, although he’s very good.

 

[Drebin]

From 247 composite:

2019 - 15
2020 - 16
2021 - 30
2022 - 95??
2023 - 26
2024 - 36

Now, I realize COVID has crootin all jacked up, and the portal makes things different, especially at QB. But I see two things there, Washington must have a ton of upperclassmen and obviously Penix/DJ playing well has helped them. But their WRs looked good to me too. And what happens next year when a lot of these guys leave and they play a B1G sked year in and year out? Eeek.

I am on record saying I thought Texas would shut them down, and they didn't. But now, they have to play like that two weeks in a row, with a muscle team in Michigan ready for them. I tend to think this turns out like TCU last year - they brought the fight for one week, but when they had to do it twice, they got flattened.

Or Penix does what he does yet again. But either way, the crootin was interesting. Seems Deboer is living off the inherited talent and the portal. 95? How do you get that bad, even in a transition year? And since then, they look like us.

Or maybe, and I could just be spitballin' here....maybe Deboer is a helluva football coach and Washington recruits for need over REcruITiNg RaTInGs. You don't go 114-11 by accident.

 

[57stratdawg]

Does that include Portal guys? Penix and Johnson both transferred in.

I will say it looks beneficial to have older dudes on the team. Penix is 23, DJ is 22, Odune & Polk are Jr and Srs.

 

[retire the banner]

People on here really try to complicate college football “MSU will never be able to compete!” “We don’t have the money!” At the end of the day, all that matters is who you hire as your HC. Sure, some teams might have better resources but coaching matters more than anything. You hire Dan Mullen? You win games. You hire Joe Moorhead? You won’t be successful. It’s not that complicated.

All that said, Kalen Deboer is making his case for a top 5 head coach in college football. That’s why Washington is where they are.

 

[NWADog]

Deboer is an incredible coach. The amount of pre snap motions and formation shifts to improve matchups, cause confusion and keep defenders thinking and adjusting instead of lining up with all their weight on their toes ready to come attack was insane and so fun to watch. It was surgical to watch their playcalling and execution from that offense.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Im not making a prediction on the game because i think Michigan is good and the game could go either way. But if you predicted Texas to shut them down, you clearly didn’t watch them any this year. They are very good and it’s not just Pennix, although he’s very good.

Only a few games, and all against Pac-12 competition. I've always kind of thought the conference as a whole was weak on the DL, and thought Texas might exploit that.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Nothing earth shattering at all here. You recruit in the Top 15-25 over a decent period of time, have an elite QB, and don’t play in the SEC, you can make it to the national championship game. Found that out already last year with TCU.

Not sure what MSU fans can take from that, we’re very rarely going to be in any of those 3 categories.

 

[kired]

People on here really try to complicate college football “MSU will never be able to compete!” “We don’t have the money!” At the end of the day, all that matters is who you hire as your HC. Sure, some teams might have better resources but coaching matters more than anything.

But money sure makes it all a lot easier. Not a coincidence that 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff are 3 of the richest teams in the nation.

 

[retire the banner]

But money sure makes it all a lot easier. Not a coincidence that 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff are 3 of the richest teams in the nation.

Yeah it helps. But MSU’s struggles in football recently are not because we don’t have Texas money. They are due to having poor leadership in the athletic department and on the football field. Thankfully we seem to have rid ourselves of that over the last year.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

An elite QB goes a long way. Penix was making throws last night that very , very few QB’s can make

 

[RopeDawg]

This year Washington just had everything come together perfectly. They had our 2014 season Pac12 version. I really hope they win.

 

[RopeDawg]

But money sure makes it all a lot easier. Not a coincidence that 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff are 3 of the richest teams in the nation.

So does having a great college town and atmosphere. We really lack in that department. Even if it is not truly that bad the perception is that it is.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

I really don't GAF about being …wrong.

Good. At least you embrace being a ******* toolshed.

 

[8dog]

It’s wild what happens when you place an emphasis on the single most important position in sports. I think our new coach gets it.

Washington gave up 6.5 ypc and WON bc they had the best player at the most important position.

 

[Perd Hapley]

People on here really try to complicate college football “MSU will never be able to compete!” “We don’t have the money!” At the end of the day, all that matters is who you hire as your HC. Sure, some teams might have better resources but coaching matters more than anything. You hire Dan Mullen? You win games. You hire Joe Moorhead? You won’t be successful. It’s not that complicated.

All that said, Kalen Deboer is making his case for a top 5 head coach in college football. That’s why Washington is where they are.

That simple, huh? Just hire a great coach? Well there have been a lot of outstanding coaches in the past 30 years. Yet absolutely none of them have won a school’s first national title in that time period. There’s a reason for that. It takes more than a great coach. A lot more. MSU will never be Washington or Clemson or any of these other places that people want us to be. The time to ascend into that stratosphere already came and went a half century ago.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

That simple, huh? Just hire a great coach? Well there have been a lot of outstanding coaches in the past 30 years. Yet absolutely none of them have won a school’s first national title in that time period. There’s a reason for that. It takes more than a great coach. A lot more. MSU will never be Washington or Clemson or any of these other places that people want us to be. The time to ascend into that stratosphere already came and went a half century ago.

Thank God the powers that be didn't locate Mississippi State in that dump of a State Capital Jackson!

 

[StateCollege]

People on here really try to complicate college football “MSU will never be able to compete!” “We don’t have the money!” At the end of the day, all that matters is who you hire as your HC. Sure, some teams might have better resources but coaching matters more than anything. You hire Dan Mullen? You win games. You hire Joe Moorhead? You won’t be successful. It’s not that complicated.

All that said, Kalen Deboer is making his case for a top 5 head coach in college football. That’s why Washington is where they are.

Webster’s Dictionary defines “oversimplification” as ^^^

A program’s resources directly correlates to the type of coaching talent they can attract and more importantly, retain. If Lebby turns out to be the next Saban, what do you think happens next? Answer: He leaves for a bigger program with better resources. The unfortunate reality is that we have a hard ceiling. Of course it’s important to have a good coach, but so many factors go into having a winning program.

Don’t think you’ve exactly broken it all wide open by saying “just hire a good coach instead of a bad coach”

 

[lanceharbor7]

An elite QB goes a long way. Penix was making throws last night that very , very few QB’s can make

Penix throws were mind boggling. And the catches matched the throws.

 

[GloryDawg]

That's kind of the point, dick. I was wrong about them due to the factors I mentioned. I really don't GAF about being right or wrong here, but the phenomena is interesting to me.

The power conference schedule grind is a real thing. TCU saw it last year. Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA might find out next year.

I don't expect you to go much further than surface level here. I mean, you honestly think MS and IA are similar states.

A good coach with a bunch of 3- and 4-star guys will beat a bad coach with 4- and 5-star guys. Just look at Jimbo. He got beat a bunch by teams with lower recruiting class. I suspect if Washington does really well next year that coach will be able to name his paycheck.

 

[Ranchdawg]

So does having a great college town and atmosphere. We really lack in that department. Even if it is not truly that bad the perception is that it is.

The perception is what needs to change. Like Mississippi, we get kicked around by the media. Ole Miss with their journalism school is doing a good job of overcoming the perception. We need better marketing. The media will throw out any stories we give them because they are lazy. Ole Miss is using them and so should we.

Gordon Ramsey's renovation of Hotel Chester's restaurant was very complimentary of Starkville and Mississippi State. How many people know there is a playhouse in Starkville? We have an excellent horse park with buggy racing, barrel racing and rodeos. Casinos are right down the road. The Noxabee refuge is very close. We need to step up the live entertainment on campus with more concerts and live performances. Why not work with the Pearl River Resorts to book acts in close proximity? Same with Tunica resorts.

People want to get more bang for their buck. We went to the Buddy Guy concert in Tupelo the weekend of the LSU game. There were LSU fans at the concert. Coupling events makes a GameDay weekend more fun. Let's try to bundle events with games.

 

[dog12]

Good. At least you embrace being a ******* toolshed.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

From 247 composite:

2019 - 15
2020 - 16
2021 - 30
2022 - 95??
2023 - 26
2024 - 36

Now, I realize COVID has crootin all jacked up, and the portal makes things different, especially at QB. But I see two things there, Washington must have a ton of upperclassmen and obviously Penix/DJ playing well has helped them. But their WRs looked good to me too. And what happens next year when a lot of these guys leave and they play a B1G sked year in and year out? Eeek.

I am on record saying I thought Texas would shut them down, and they didn't. But now, they have to play like that two weeks in a row, with a muscle team in Michigan ready for them. I tend to think this turns out like TCU last year - they brought the fight for one week, but when they had to do it twice, they got flattened.

Or Penix does what he does yet again. But either way, the crootin was interesting. Seems Deboer is living off the inherited talent and the portal. 95? How do you get that bad, even in a transition year? And since then, they look like us.

Here's my take on these recruiting rankings (and I could be wrong).
I think the schools who have larger numbers of fans who actually pay and subscribe to their "fan boy sites" has at least a slight effect on the recruiting rankings of these kids. I'm not saying it completely dictates how they are ranked, but sites with more incentive to hire more employees to go out and watch these kids play and give them an accurate ranking will on average end up giving a higher mark to the kids that commit. I'm not saying this is an exact science, but it seems that schools like Washington attract less attention to recruiting than an SEC school would. That HAS to have at least a small effect on the overall rankings.

I bet Washington's recruiting classes are actually ranked a little lower than they should be, and a school like Auburn or Texas A&M might be a little overrated. These sites are for profit and our economy just works that way. I'm not giving us an excuse for being second to last in the SEC recruiting rankings, but I think our actual talent might be a little bit better than you see in these rankings. No excuse for us getting our clock cleaned with in state recruits though. We HAVE to do better moving forward.

ETA: I still think PJ Woodland is a 4* and should be ranked higher. I'm pissed we lost him.
Just my take.