Watched some 20 minutes of NASCAR race yesterday.

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Driving in Greenville is much more exciting (and dangerous)
I watched the last half of the race and completely disagree with you. Fox's broadcast with its litany of ill-time commercial breaks and corporate sponsorships didn't help the cause though.
 
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Long ago I stopped (bored to death) watching a bunch of Red Necks driving around in a circle, turning left for 500 miles! What a waste of time.
When they race on a Road Course, I do like to watch sometimes. They actually have to shift gears, brake, strategize, turn left, and right and think!! Way to costly to a track. OVERRATED!!
 
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Long ago I stopped (bored to death) watching a bunch of Red Necks driving around in a circle, turning left for 500 miles! What a waste of time.
When they race on a Road Course, I do like to watch sometimes. They actually have to shift gears, brake, strategize, turn left, and right and think!! Way to costly to a track. OVERRATED!!
If you think Nascar drivers are a bunch of "Rednecks", think again.
 

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Quite the shame what it has become. 40 years ago it was must see TV.
NASCAR dies Feb 18, 2001, It has never recovered.
Then NASCAR execs got woke. They moved races from the south. They closed unique, historic tracks and replaced them with cookie cutter designs.They drove up ticket prices. They screwed up the points system. And finally, they replaced drivers like Earnhardt with drivers like Bubba Wallace.
 

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NASCAR dies Feb 18, 2001, It has never recovered.
Then NASCAR execs got woke. They moved races from the south. They closed unique, historic tracks and replaced them with cookie cutter designs.They drove up ticket prices. They screwed up the points system. And finally, they replaced drivers like Earnhardt with drivers like Bubba Wallace.
I thought there were a couple more years of good racing after Earnhardt died. Maybe through 2003.
 

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NASCAR dies Feb 18, 2001, It has never recovered.
Then NASCAR execs got woke. They moved races from the south. They closed unique, historic tracks and replaced them with cookie cutter designs.They drove up ticket prices. They screwed up the points system. And finally, they replaced drivers like Earnhardt with drivers like Bubba Wallace.
An activity is not in good stead when the sudden and permanent departure of one of its participants brings the activity to its knees.
 

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NASCAR dies Feb 18, 2001, It has never recovered.
Then NASCAR execs got woke. They moved races from the south. They closed unique, historic tracks and replaced them with cookie cutter designs.They drove up ticket prices. They screwed up the points system. And finally, they replaced drivers like Earnhardt with drivers like Bubba Wallace.
It was broke looong before then. It stopped when the cars stopped being "stock cars" and they amalgamized the cars into one indistinguishable vehicle....no more Ford v Chevy v Pontiac, etc. Just one unidentifiable car racing other unidentifiable cars. I liked it when it was actually the rednecks plus others building their own cars and racing hard against each other.....hated it ever since.
 

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It was broke looong before then. It stopped when the cars stopped being "stock cars" and they amalgamized the cars into one indistinguishable vehicle....no more Ford v Chevy v Pontiac, etc. Just one unidentifiable car racing other unidentifiable cars. I liked it when it was actually the rednecks plus others building their own cars and racing hard against each other.....hated it ever since.
You are correct. Once NASCAR got involved with trying to make sure all the cars were "equal" by penalizing faster makes by raising the roof height and other tweaks, NASCAR became sort of a soap opera in cars. NASCAR also decided which drivers were their favorites and allowed them to break rules. Earnhardt, Gordon and Earnhardt Jr could have driven up into the grandstand to make a pass and NASCAR wouldn't have batted an eye.
 
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You are correct. Once NASCAR got involved with trying to make sure all the cars were "equal" by penalizing faster makes by raising the roof height and other tweaks, NASCAR became sort of a soap opera in cars. NASCAR also decided which drivers were their favorites and allowed them to break rules. Earnhardt, Gordon and Earnhardt Jr could have driven up into the grandstand to make a pass and NASCAR wouldn't have batted an eye.
I've personally been witness to Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, & Dale Jr. receiving the "golden handshake" from nascar.
 

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Driving in Greenville is much more exciting (and dangerous)
Greenville's not bad except they're always shutting down Main St. Greenville is a town that knows how to capitalize on its strengths. My daughter is a senior at the Governor's School there. It took us a couple of trips around town to discover an alternate route to get there.
 
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Greenville's not bad except they're always shutting down Main St. Greenville is a town that knows how to capitalize on its strengths. My daughter is a senior at the Governor's School there. It took us a couple of trips around town to discover an alternate route to get there.
You are correct. Bad is trying to drive in Boston.....worst I've ever driven in,
 

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You are correct. Bad is trying to drive in Boston.....worst I've ever driven in,
That's hairy and I only did it once. Charlotte sux, but there are way worse places to drive. I technically work in Charlotte, though I never go there for work. For some reason my manager wants me to show my face there about once a quarter. I've been in that building twice since COVID started.
 
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I have never understood why NASCAR is considered a sport.
It is by definition:

sport​


noun
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
 

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It is by definition:

sport​


noun
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.

I take "racing" in that defintion to be foot racing. What is athletic about car racing? No question it requires skill. But not athletic ability.
 

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I take "racing" in that defintion to be foot racing. What is athletic about car racing? No question it requires skill. But not athletic ability.
It's kinda funny. I can remember when in no way was a NASCAR driver considered athletic... most of them anyway. Id say today, most of them can probably be considered athletic. The funny part is those guys who weren't athletic back in the day didnt get to race with breathers or breaks built in every so many laps and without the benifits of AC suits and the likes.
Although NASCAR probably likes to see athletic drivers and tries to make it look like it's a necessity to be so, they are probably less necessary than ever.

As for calling it a sport, I think a better discription is motorsport.
 

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Never been a big fan but it was so much better in the 70's and 80's. Once they decided to package it up, cancel races in the south, and start running tracks in Fontana, CA, it went downhill. They wanted to grow the sport by walking away from their base, southerners.

Bad move.
 

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He's arguably the most overrated nascar driver of all time.
The kid has W’s and is a Daytona 500 champion.
Not fair to ask him to be senior & yet his sport did vote him into the hall of fame, regardless of your & my opinion.

the sport misses him is more my point
 

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I don’t argue with folks who are wrong and I almost never believe you to be wrong .
so I will merely share this for context.
26 wins at cup level (31st all time)
2 busch season championships
3 titles as a team owner
Hall of fame
While a cup season championship would be nice, its hard to catch your dad as an all time legend as the sport began to homogenize.

the case rests
 

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I don’t argue with folks who are wrong and I almost never believe you to be wrong .
so I will merely share this for context.
26 wins at cup level (31st all time)
2 busch season championships
3 titles as a team owner
Hall of fame
While a cup season championship would be nice, its hard to catch your dad as an all time legend as the sport began to homogenize.

the case rests
I don't even compare him to his dad. I just say he was overrated. He won a ton of plate races, was good at Phoenix, Michigan, & Richmond. Scatter in a few other wins. Of the racing "sons," he couldn't hold Davey Allison's jock. He's slightly superior to Kyle Petty. About on par with Buddy Baker.
 
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I don't even compare him to his dad. I just say he was overrated. He won a ton of plate races, was good at Phoenix, Michigan, & Richmond. Scatter in a few other wins. Of the racing "sons," he couldn't hold Davey Allison's jock. He's slightly superior to Kyle Petty. About on par with Buddy Baker.
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I would not debate you on uniforms!

we can agree the sport has shipwrecked itself and allowed for F1 to skyrocket
 

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I would not debate you on uniforms!

we can agree the sport has shipwrecked itself and allowed for F1 to skyrocket
I always liked Cale's Valvoline driving uniform he wore in '81 & '82.
 

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Long ago I stopped (bored to death) watching a bunch of Red Necks driving around in a circle, turning left for 500 miles! What a waste of time.
When they race on a Road Course, I do like to watch sometimes. They actually have to shift gears, brake, strategize, turn left, and right and think!! Way to costly to a track. OVERRATED!!
You have no idea what you are talking about. Those "rednecks" you speak of would make you look like a third grader.
 

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An activity is not in good stead when the sudden and permanent departure of one of its participants brings the activity to its knees.
It didnt. NASCARS peak popularity was well after Earnhardt died.
 
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