.....and have to say had I been Billy Beane, there is no way in hell I would have turned down the Red Sox offer of 12.5 million over 5 years. I would have been on the first plane to Boston and Oakland would have been happily in my rearview. That amount of money in the early 2000's was almost unheard of for a GM.
Watching Moneyball.....
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Love that movie. I think he stayed for his child.
I’d love the opportunity to disprove that.
He was strike 3 for ruining pro baseball. Strike, steroids.....then the analytics. Now we have the most boring game on the planet, and young kids doing nothing but training for velocity and blowing out elbows.
I actually understand the rise of tournament ball.....it's exciting and about winning. Is it best for developing into the MLB model? Probably not. But maybe the MLB model needs to change.
I actually understand the rise of tournament ball.....it's exciting and about winning. Is it best for developing into the MLB model? Probably not. But maybe the MLB model needs to change.
I don't hate Bily Beane for trying to do the most with what little he had in a small market. But, I hate that all of baseball adopted the same analytical approach. Goat's right, it changed baseball to its detriment.
I saw a clip a few days ago of former NBA stars stating it's happening to their game as well.
I saw a clip a few days ago of former NBA stars stating it's happening to their game as well.
All this hand wringing about how the game is ruined is a little funny. People are going to try and win. Analytics just means they are doing what gives them the best chance to win. The way some people talk it’s like they’d rather folks play stupidly because they like the aesthetic.
NBA viewership down 46% over the last decade. Quick fix if they want to improve their product. Eliminate the 3-point shot. The game would change dramatically, and it would be fun to watch.
Oh, it already happened to the NBA. Steph Curry. 3's and layups.
It's also affected, to a certain extent, college (basketball and baseball). Just not as much, because there are less games, thus harder to get any analytical edge.
Heck even the NFL has some of that to it, the way they know they have to throw the ball and stay in the shotgun. To me, it doesn't affect football as much because there are less games and less boredom. The playoff doesn't drag through 5 and 7 game series like the other two.
What’s killing NBA and MLB is not just style of play, it’s the loss of eyeballs on tv because of the dumb tv rules they have. Their archaic blackout rules keep people from being able to watch their teams even in their home markets through streaming services. You can’t have viewership if you can’t get the product to the people.
Nah, the analytics isn't the sole why people are tuning out.....it just added to the issue that was already building for a while.
Baseball is slow anyway, but when it just drags drags drags.....then you take out the fanboy/baseball card/America's game stuff with the strike, then you ruin the integrity with roids, then you remove the statistical element like BA, RBIs, HRs that so many people used to keep up with.......and replace it with MORE boredom?
Best think MLB has done in years was the new rules to speed up the game a couple of years ago. I actually watched a few games last summer and it was much better and easier to watch.
Edit: But I refuse to watch extra innings that start with a runner at 2nd. May as well just have a home run contest to decide the winner if tied after 9. That's not baseball.
What exactly is the point of the blackouts? They just love cable or something?
When I was a kid we had cable and the Boston Celtics must have been on a lot, because Dad and I watched every game it seemed. It was listed in the TV Guide BOOKLET there on the table between two lazy boy rocking chairs. Reminds of how the Indian told the white man how they ruined everything because he used to never work, hunt and fish all the time, women cooked and took care of the kids and now everyone works just so they can vacation out of town, spends little time together, argues, no time to hunt and fish, kids have no mom at home and raised by the government so they can grow up and pay.
I always thought it was to try to 'force' people to go to the games... Not that it works.
I think it’s the existing deals they have with the bigger cable and satellite companies and even networks. They control the content and who gets it. Also these regional sports networks don’t play well with the streaming services so you lose out on those customers. It’s a shít show and I don’t know how you solve it but it’s killing their viewership and some teams are starting to suffer from it.
I think I saw people in Denver can't watch the Nuggets or the Avalanche other than nationally televised games, and that has been the case for a couple years? How does that even happen?
I would think they'd have to expire at some point.
They better cut down on the number of games, if they want that to pay off. And concessions prices.
The NBA was failing when Bird and Magic came into the league and they capitalized on those two and their star power by showing doubleheaders nationally, Celtics early and the Lakers after. If you haven’t seen the documentary on those 2 it’s pretty interesting. Don’t remember if it’s a Netflix or maybe HBO. Crazy to hear that most NBA broadcasts back then prior to them coming into the league were tape delayed broadcasts.
I also rember back in those days the satellite dish was awesome and you could watch just about anybody play whenever you wanted. I’d tune in to Madison Square Garden Network snd the Boston equivalent and you could see all those local MLB and NBA games and also WWF live from MSG and the Boston Garden.
Then I could get the Bulls on WGN and Braves/WCW on TBS. Then I’d watch every game Nolan Ryan pitched for the Astros.
Nickel and diming the fans for access has definitely impacted the sports. I assume the powers that be think the overall impact is a profit on the revenue side, but it certainly has been detrimental to the sports themselves.
Most cities (at least they used to do this) will cancel the blackout once the game is sold out. So, once they sell all the tickets, they'll show the games. I don't know how many NBA or especially MLB regular season games sell out these days, but it can't be a large percentage.
Right that's been going on for a long time in lots of place - my understanding is that Denver fans literally did not have a way to watch their city's NBA or NHL team, sold out or not.
That is insane. And a good way to alienate your local fanbase. Well played, ownership.
It's almost like air travel - the system has gotten so efficient and optimized that sometimes it simply cannot function.
Welcome to the world where TV rights rule the world of sports, along with Vegas.
The Cardinals just had their worst attendance numbers in years last season. Yes they were pretty mediocre but it’s been a couple of years since their tv exposure was cut with their RSN not being available on a lot of platforms. I’ve seen a lot of comments made on Twitter, Reddit, social media etc basically saying “if I can’t watch my local team why should I care”. It rings true.
I'm a Cubs fan, my fandom absolutely started waning when I couldn't watch all the games easily on WGN. And for most of the 2010s, I got every Rangers game on my regular directv feed, so I became a pretty big fan of them as well. I only see either of them on national broadcasts these days, it's a bummer.
Yeah, I'm the same with the Braves. If they were still on TBS every day, I'd have that game up on a screen somewhere in the house. As it is, I sometimes catch them on Sunday Night Baseball or something, but at about the same rate I realize after that fact that they had a random game on and YouTubeTV recorded it.
Are these tv rules different than they were 10 years ago? I had heard nba ratings were down, had no clue it was down almost 50%
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