We haven't had a good OL Coach since Paul Lounsberry was here. Satterfield isn't the problem. Let's argue ...
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I think our play calling has been mostly fine. Poor execution definitely cost us a few times on Saturday. And terrible OL play is crippling. I don't know if Satt is the answer or not, but I do know the OL is the biggest issue at the moment.
Satt’s running the wrong offense for our talent and perhaps in general for a college program. Plus, the team plays soft. Other than that, everything is fine.
We’re about to find out if Shane wants to win or just be well thought of.
We’re about to find out if Shane wants to win or just be well thought of.
In general, our players don't play aggressively - very laid back in their approach in regard to winning individual battles when blocking.
I'm in no mood to argue. I got a snoot full of it on Saturday night and all day on Sunday. I've got to rest up for next weekend.
I don't know who is worse, but I can say that the number of times I've seen an offensive lineman standing right next to a guy who runs past him without being touched is upwards of 15, and I literally didn't even watch any of the Arky game past about 7 minutes left in the second quarter. So many times we have offensive linemen standing there right in front of a defender, turn the opposite direction, and proceed to block air.
I would think you would tell the offensive linemen to block the guy directly in front of them, but instead it sometimes looks like they are concerned more with some formation or scheme than putting a helmet on a helmet.
I would think you would tell the offensive linemen to block the guy directly in front of them, but instead it sometimes looks like they are concerned more with some formation or scheme than putting a helmet on a helmet.
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Based on presumed talent level and size, our OL should not be grossly outmanned. Certainly not by Ga State. I don't know if it's coaching or what, but our guys just don't seem to have the want to. But maybe they're just not as good as they appear to be on paper.
These are big people and most of them upperclassmen - is that not correct?
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Why are some of the OL coaches that do well elsewhere, struggle here? Culture, scheme?
Wolfe man was good the first time around and coaches the OL at Bama after being successful at Kentucky. He didn't all of a sudden become a good OL coach after leaving Carolina.
I think the basic problem has been a lack of enough quality SEC type lineman across the board. Yes. We have had some good ones along the way but seldom enough playing at the same time on the same line. Weak links along the los make the whole unit look bad. OL are hard to come by. The top flight programs cherry pick the best ones off the top leaving a scramble to get what's left. When we get one they are thrown into play immediately. Other programs have the luxury of holding them out til they've developed and gained some experience. All these ol coaches can't be that bad. I've lost count of the number we've had that posters demand they be fired.
I believe Adkins AND Satterfield are BOTH the problem. Never, never in his career as Offensive Coordinator has Satterfield produced a Top 50 offense. EVER!!!!!! Adkins did not coach Satterfield's offensive lines when Satterfield was OC at Temple. Besides, does anyone really believe that Beamer would not have asked Satterfield his opinion on Adkins when Beamer evaluated his coaching staff after last season? No coach on the staff works more closely with the OL coach than the OC, his "direct report". I have never been a football coach. But in organizations I worked in, the "direct report's" views/opinions on the subordinate carried the preponderance of weight as to whether or not to retain an employee. But, maybe football staffs, or at least the South Carolina organizational chart, works differently than in the business world.
I meant to say "big" people, but I presume you caught on. As seniors, they ought to be doing better than what they are. They should be Alabama-esque by now.
The OL is the biggest problem. But that is a problem coach Greg Adkins has to figure out. Remember, Satt is the OC not the OL coach. It is too soon to make a judgement call on Adkins. By and large he is working with Muschamp's recruits. Give him a chance to bring in his players, then make the call.
I agree with this. Offensive lines have to be built the old fashioned way. What you can get from the portal can only supply some depth. You can't build an SEC line that way.
Talent level and that all goes back to recruiting. 325 pounds is a meaningless mass if they don't have quick feet to move, quickness, not speed. I don't know if the coaches can't evaluate line talent or that the better linemen just haven't come to USC. Sure you can teach and improve kids the schemes and blocking techniques but they need raw talent to some degree.
Glad to argue. Everything starts with the HC. If you make the wrong choice, or in this case....I "think" SB took the best gamble he thought he could get at the time trying to catch a guy on the way up. Problem is....he is probably the only person on earth who thought Satt was an up and coming guy. I assume he interviews great.
Secondly - the one next in line is the OC. Certainly having a say in the hire....and then if nothing else having complete say in the nuances of line play (technique, philosophy, etc)...the OC is hand in hand with the OL coach.
Lastly- Satt has a mishmash of offenses, philosophies and other piecemeal plays that he's thrown together. You have to have a system that is easy and quick to adjust witin pre and post snap. The motions, trades, attempts at mis-matches are laughable from our offense. We have one stud (Bell), a guy with a Pro arm but a lot of other question marks, potential at the other TE, slightly above average RBs and extremely limited edge skill guys. Our OL isn't the best...but 99 college coaches out of 100 would take our talent group over 75 other groups around the nation. Would anyone take App States over ours during recruiting time coming up? I'm not using our talent as a crutch for the offensive woes...my point is Satt is trying to run a quasi-pro style attack with guys that AREN'T better than the GA, UF, Bama, UK,LSU, A&M, etc, etc teams you're going to have to face.
The ONE redeeming thing Beamer had going for him was he had most recently come from Air (more Power) Raid and had a lot of contacts to draw from. The several Air Raid plays we run now thrown into the other fragmented offenses Satt has picked through don't work together...becasue they don't build off each other AND because we don't have the athletes to run them that are better than the defenses and schemes we see. UT has done it with AR quickly....and we have shown to be what roughly 100th in the nation on offense after 15 games? That includes UF and Auburn having historic collapses that occur once every 20 years. So...things will likely not be getting better soon...only worse.
Secondly - the one next in line is the OC. Certainly having a say in the hire....and then if nothing else having complete say in the nuances of line play (technique, philosophy, etc)...the OC is hand in hand with the OL coach.
Lastly- Satt has a mishmash of offenses, philosophies and other piecemeal plays that he's thrown together. You have to have a system that is easy and quick to adjust witin pre and post snap. The motions, trades, attempts at mis-matches are laughable from our offense. We have one stud (Bell), a guy with a Pro arm but a lot of other question marks, potential at the other TE, slightly above average RBs and extremely limited edge skill guys. Our OL isn't the best...but 99 college coaches out of 100 would take our talent group over 75 other groups around the nation. Would anyone take App States over ours during recruiting time coming up? I'm not using our talent as a crutch for the offensive woes...my point is Satt is trying to run a quasi-pro style attack with guys that AREN'T better than the GA, UF, Bama, UK,LSU, A&M, etc, etc teams you're going to have to face.
The ONE redeeming thing Beamer had going for him was he had most recently come from Air (more Power) Raid and had a lot of contacts to draw from. The several Air Raid plays we run now thrown into the other fragmented offenses Satt has picked through don't work together...becasue they don't build off each other AND because we don't have the athletes to run them that are better than the defenses and schemes we see. UT has done it with AR quickly....and we have shown to be what roughly 100th in the nation on offense after 15 games? That includes UF and Auburn having historic collapses that occur once every 20 years. So...things will likely not be getting better soon...only worse.
I guess Kentucky, App State, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Cincinnati...places like that...places that we ought to AT LEAST be eye to eye with recruiting.....and in most cases have a leg up....those places can consistently recruit and attract solid OL to campus, but Carolina can't?
It has to be the base of an offensive scheme...ANY offensive scheme...has to be the priority. OL and DL. It isn't at Carolina, and it shows. It is at Clemson....and they didn't always get the 6'5 five star guy...but it was still a priority. Obviously App St. is great at understanding that taking a 6'1 293 lb. OL who happens to be the best lineman on every field he's ever played on is a better bet than taking a 6'5 310 lineman who looks the part, but can't play the part. We have a terrible history of recruiting "that guy" all over the field on both sides. I hope it soon changes.
Simply need a very mobile QB that can get 5-6 yards/run to then open holes as the D will spread out or bring in a DB or the LB's closer to the line to open up a quick pass. If Rattler can't run/option, then it will be a long day for our defense.
Like I've said many times...we lost a gem in Wolford. He and Elliott both were great OL coaches. You don't produce what he did around 09 (and into recruiting '10) at USC, OL at UK and get hired by Saban because you're a bum. He was part of the worst HC-d regime to be part of an offensive side that you could imagine. Who did WELL under Muschamp on offense???? Anybody? Deebo Samuel....that's about it.
I'm with you and agree. I'm a bit partial because Wolford is from my home town in Ohio. He is a good man and a great OL coach.
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