What are the arguments

[greenbean.sixpack]

Against Clay Helton or Tom Herman? They managed two of the biggest programs in the country and had success. I don't remember any major scandals with either. I really don't know much about either other than their records.

Herman isn't doing great this year at FAU (one loss is to Clempson), but he's cleaning up and mess and FAU has consistently been bad other than under Lane.

Helton has GA Southern at 6-3, but was 6-7 in his first year. I heard a national radio host say that Helton didn't have the "Hollywood Look" and that was one reason he didn't fit in well at USC. He was thrust into the HC job at USC before he was ready but did fairly well.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

For reference:

 

[QuaoarsKing]

There's really nothing negative to say about Herman. Fired after finishing 3 times ranked.

Helton was more solid than I remembered, but I'd prefer Herman given the choice. Either hire would be a huge improvement over what we currently have.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

There's really nothing negative to say about Herman. Fired after finishing 3 times ranked.

Helton was more solid than I remembered, but I'd prefer Herman given the choice. Either hire would be a huge improvement over what we currently have.

I'd think Herman would be the better recruiter?

 

[bsquared24]

If you think Herman who lost 3, 4, 5, and 6 games with Texas talent in the Big 12 will excel at State I have bridge to sell you in Arizona.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

For reference:

I think GA Southern is 6-3 now (lost yesterday), but one of those losses was to Wisconsin.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

If you think Herman who lost 3, 4, 5, and 6 games with Texas talent in the Big 12 will excel at State I have bridge to sell you in Arizona.

He did much better than the coach he replaced and about as well as the guy who replaced him. He inherited an almost Croom level disaster from Charlie Strong.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

If you think Herman who lost 3, 4, 5, and 6 games with Texas talent in the Big 12 will excel at State I have bridge to sell you in Arizona.

I think a coach who finished ranked 3 times in 4 years at a big job would probably be pretty good here. Just like that other guy we had who did that Florida.

 

[Will Rogers.sixpack]

What schemes do Helton and Hermon run offensively and defensively, that the rest of the SEC doesn’t see every week, except with better players?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Neither of these guys think differently. We need that in our football program.

 

[Indndawg]

For reference:

I would take either or, w/a slight edge to TH. aGAIN, we need a great coach but we need a visionary and a person who can bust thru the in place mediocrity and do it like we did in the 80's mentality.

 

[tbaydog]

Petrino!

 

[patdog]

I would take either in a heartbeat.

 

[Bullldawg78]

First of all, I really don't care what a HEAD coaches offensive and defensive schemes are, I want a head coach who has experience, learned under some icons, is not getting OJT and knows enough to let his coordinators run their schemes, who he hand picks.b I just don't want him to look like this....

Which is what we have now!!!!

 

[aTotal360]

The one thing I like to consider is who their QBs are when they win. Do they have an NFL draft pick or a 3 star kid. We really need to look at coaches who do more with less. Mullen managed to that. Especially on offense. We had some great OL and some great RBs and Dak. I’m not taking anything away from the Bears, Fred Rosses, or LPerkins, but they weren’t NFL talents. Great players by MSU standards.

That’s what scared me about JoMo. He had an NFL QB, RB and WR driving his offense.

It blows my mind that a team like Tulane can march out a backup qb against OM and he actually look serviceable.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Helton and Herman collectively averaged 8-4 at two blue blood programs that are at the tip top of the food chain in their respective conferences. That’s not going to translate very well for a have-not program at the bottom of the food chain in the best league in the country. Retread city.

I’d honestly rather have Malzahn, but I really, really hate that idea, too. However, his 8-4 average at Auburn is far more impressive than anyone achieving the same at Texas or USC. I’m a hard “no” on all 3 of them though.