What happened to Mississippi basketball?

[OG Goat Holder]

0 recruits listed on 247's site for 2024. Only 3 in 2023, 2 in 2022, 2 in 2021, 3 in 2020. Not as many 4-stars, and not as many in Jackson, which used to be a hotbed.

Compared to like 2011 when we used to have about 5-7 every single year it seemed (per 247, but seemed that way in the Scout days too).

We also used to have a stud every 5 years too. Those guys have disappeared. Maybe this Hubbard dude, but I'm doubting a 3 star from MRA is the same as Malik Newman or Monta Ellis.

I figure they still have AAU around Jackson?

This is concerning, to me, for the future viability of our program.

 

[mstateglfr]

The same thing happened as what happened the last 3 times you complained that Jackson basketball is dead and wondered why.




As for the MSU program, yeah local products are really cool to have. But with so many portal players every year, we have access to a significantly wider base of players. Portal players are clearly willing to commit to programs outside their home/local region, and they have proof at the D1 level of being able to play.
As a coach, I would take a guard from the portal that has 2 years left and was a 2* recruit, played in the SoCon or similar, and scored 13ppg on 40% shooting over a top 150 3* guard that is from MS. The risk of each player not panning out is significantly lower for the transfer. Further, the chance of each player transfer away from MSU is significantly lower for the transfer.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The same thing happened as what happened the last 3 times you complained that Jackson basketball is dead and wondered why.




As for the MSU program, yeah local products are really cool to have. But with so many portal players every year, we have access to a significantly wider base of players. Portal players are clearly willing to commit to programs outside their home/local region, and they have proof at the D1 level of being able to play.
As a coach, I would take a guard from the portal that has 2 years left and was a 2* recruit, played in the SoCon or similar, and scored 13ppg on 40% shooting over a top 150 3* guard that is from MS. The risk of each player not panning out is significantly lower for the transfer. Further, the chance of each player transfer away from MSU is significantly lower for the transfer.

 

[BonzoGoesToCollege]

0 recruits listed on 247's site for 2024. Only 3 in 2023, 2 in 2022, 2 in 2021, 3 in 2020. Not as many 4-stars, and not as many in Jackson, which used to be a hotbed.

Compared to like 2011 when we used to have about 5-7 every single year it seemed (per 247, but seemed that way in the Scout days too).

We also used to have a stud every 5 years too. Those guys have disappeared. Maybe this Hubbard dude, but I'm doubting a 3 star from MRA is the same as Malik Newman or Monta Ellis.

I figure they still have AAU around Jackson?

This is concerning, to me, for the future viability of our program.

0 recruits listed on 247's site for 2024. Only 3 in 2023, 2 in 2022, 2 in 2021, 3 in 2020. Not as many 4-stars, and not as many in Jackson, which used to be a hotbed.

Compared to like 2011 when we used to have about 5-7 every single year it seemed (per 247, but seemed that way in the Scout days too).

We also used to have a stud every 5 years too. Those guys have disappeared. Maybe this Hubbard dude, but I'm doubting a 3 star from MRA is the same as Malik Newman or Monta Ellis.

I figure they still have AAU around Jackson?

This is concerning, to me, for the future viability of our program.

Hard to believe with the state of the football and baseball programs that you’re concerned about the one program where we have a great coach who knows what he’s doing.

Hubbard will be a better college player than Newman. Malik was way overrated. Outside of 10 or so games at Kansas, he was nothing special.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Hard to believe with the state of the football and baseball programs that you’re concerned about the one program where we have a great coach who knows what he’s doing.

Hubbard will be a better college player than Newman. Malik was way overrated. Outside of 10 or so games at Kansas, he was nothing special.

I'm curious as to if MSU could ever build into a perennial contender in basketball.

 

[preacher_dawg]

If it's Jackson we are depending on, well...

 

[60sdog]

I'm curious as to if MSU could ever build into a perennial contender in basketball.

Been done before! See Babe.

 

[Faustdog]

If it's Jackson we are depending on, well...

Thanks for your contribution, Preacher.

 

[Faustdog]

Hard to believe with the state of the football and baseball programs that you’re concerned about the one program where we have a great coach who knows what he’s doing.

Hubbard will be a better college player than Newman. Malik was way overrated. Outside of 10 or so games at Kansas, he was nothing special.

I like Hubbard a lot as a scorer. I do hope he's got a little more dog in him than he showed in high school. Just kind of nonchalant at times.

It is entirely possible that he was bored with his competition, and that is understandable. I don't think Jans will tolerate nonchalant.

 

[Dogdazey]

I like Hubbard a lot as a scorer. I do hope he's got a little more dog in him than he showed in high school. Just kind of nonchalant at times.

It is entirely possible that he was bored with his competition, and that is understandable. I don't think Jans will tolerate nonchalant.

The difference in coaching at MRA and at Mississippi State with regards of high school to college should bring out whatever he has. Hubbard can definitely put points on the board, hopefully Jans can "coach" him up defensively and also with the responsibilities of a PG.

 

[mstateglfr]

Hard to believe with the state of the football and baseball programs that you’re concerned about the one program where we have a great coach who knows what he’s doing.

Hubbard will be a better college player than Newman. Malik was way overrated. Outside of 10 or so games at Kansas, he was nothing special.

Newman didn't live up to the hype he had in HS, but he was definitely better than 'nothing special'.
He averaged over 14ppg for a team that won its conference, was top 10 the whole season, and made it to the final four.

I would take a team full of 'nothing special' every day.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

If anyone has concern w MSU basketball with the situation happening in both football and baseball, I question one's authenticity. MSU basketball is the one program that we should feel good about currently.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

MSU basketball is the one program that we should feel good about currently.

Are you new to this? That’s when the injuns hit you with a surprise attack.

 

[msugolf]

Mississippi basketball has had a major decline in the past 10-15 years. And really youth basketball in general. Not a big emphasis any more from the Jackson public schools. I know several area coaches (high school and Miss Basketball Assoc) around Jackson and they say the numbers are about 1/3 of what they used to be in youth programs. Lanier, Murrah, Provine, Callawayetc all used to be top notch entertainment. Now they’re all but gone

Kids all playing other sports now. And the better ones transfer to private or out of state schools

 

[mstateglfr]

Mississippi basketball has had a major decline in the past 10-15 years. And really youth basketball in general. Not a big emphasis any more from the Jackson public schools. I know several area coaches (high school and Miss Basketball Assoc) around Jackson and they say the numbers are about 1/3 of what they used to be in youth programs. Lanier, Murrah, Provine, Callawayetc all used to be top notch entertainment. Now they’re all but gone

Kids all playing other sports now. And the better ones transfer to private or out of state schools

What other sports are being played? I live nowhere near there, so this is curiosity.
Is soccer actually on the rise in Jackson? Baseball?
Basketball has always been hugely popular in cities since the space needed to play is smaller and you can play with just 2 people vs what it takes to play football, soccer, or baseball. Heck, you can just shoot and play alone. Not much of that happening with football or baseball.

Maybe the kids of Jackson took up Quidditch and MSU will soon win have its second team national championship.

 

[msugolf]

What other sports are being played? I live nowhere near there, so this is curiosity.
Is soccer actually on the rise in Jackson? Baseball?
Basketball has always been hugely popular in cities since the space needed to play is smaller and you can play with just 2 people vs what it takes to play football, soccer, or baseball. Heck, you can just shoot and play alone. Not much of that happening with football or baseball.

Maybe the kids of Jackson took up Quidditch and MSU will soon win have its second team national championship.

Soccer has exploded. And travel baseball has too among inner city kids. Also a lot doing 7 on 7 and youth football.

The better athletes just have more options than in years past and fewer of them are choosing basketball for some reason

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Are you new to this? That’s when the injuns hit you with a surprise attack.

Damn, I jinxed us...sorry Tolu.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Mississippi basketball has had a major decline in the past 10-15 years. And really youth basketball in general. Not a big emphasis any more from the Jackson public schools. I know several area coaches (high school and Miss Basketball Assoc) around Jackson and they say the numbers are about 1/3 of what they used to be in youth programs. Lanier, Murrah, Provine, Callawayetc all used to be top notch entertainment. Now they’re all but gone

Kids all playing other sports now. And the better ones transfer to private or out of state schools

Thank you for the first legit response in this thread. I think that's the big kicker, just less kids in Jackson to actually play.

Soccer has exploded. And travel baseball has too among inner city kids. Also a lot doing 7 on 7 and youth football.

The better athletes just have more options than in years past and fewer of them are choosing basketball for some reason

I don't see the Jackson kids too much in the soccer and baseball scene, it costs too much. So not sure I completely agree with that.

The kids are just all spread out in the suburbs, it seems, where there is less basketball culture, so yeah, they aren't getting as good at it.

 

[peewee.sixpack]

I have a few thoughts on this thread. The kids that were once in the JXN inner city schools are now poached by the private schools. Hubbard from MRA is a baller and will be a great addition to the team. As far as the comment stating him playing at a little private school vs public I’d imagine MRA would have smacked the majority of public schools in the state. I watched CCA (MAIS champs) play Clinton High School state 6A champs year before last and CCA won convincingly.

 

[Dawgs_4_life]

If anyone has concern w MSU basketball with the situation happening in both football and baseball, I question one's authenticity. MSU basketball is the one program that we should feel good about currently.

Well that will jinx it. The whole team will tear their ACL while walking across the drill field now. Thanks pal!

 

[Darryl Steight]

What other sports are being played? I live nowhere near there, so this is curiosity.
Is soccer actually on the rise in Jackson? Baseball?
Basketball has always been hugely popular in cities since the space needed to play is smaller and you can play with just 2 people vs what it takes to play football, soccer, or baseball. Heck, you can just shoot and play alone. Not much of that happening with football or baseball.

Maybe the kids of Jackson took up Quidditch and MSU will soon win have its second team national championship.

Pickleball leagues everywhere in the public schools now. No one is playing basketball anymore.**

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I have a few thoughts on this thread. The kids that were once in the JXN inner city schools are now poached by the private schools. Hubbard from MRA is a baller and will be a great addition to the team. As far as the comment stating him playing at a little private school vs public I’d imagine MRA would have smacked the majority of public schools in the state. I watched CCA (MAIS champs) play Clinton High School state 6A champs year before last and CCA won convincingly.

Are they not playing AAU? Seems like they'd still get noticed.

I don't know much about the AAU scene in Jackson, if there ever was one.