What IS holding?

[SRD_PSU]

Seriously…..what institutes holding?
I’ve seen our DL literally be tackled 10 + times, over the past 2 games, yet nothing!
Yet, on the other side of the coin, one of our OL barely tugs on an opponent’s jersey, and it negates an explosive play.
It’s infuriating!!!

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

The old adage suggests that if you looked closely enough, you could see holding on every single play of every single game. Refs are not typically positioned to see every single hold, so it seemingly becomes a “right-place-right-time” call on their part.

Sometimes it feels like their positioning favors the opponent. Thus, to your point, very infuriating.

 

[MtNittany]

What is Offensive Pass Interference? Apparently if a receiver and a back collide and the receiver makes the catch, it's OPI. If the back knocks the ball down it's DPI. How about it's NO PI?

 

[Woodpecker]

I've come to the conclusion that I was not taught the game properly. If something was against the rules, I tried not to do it. What seems to be rewarded is constant rules violations but not getting caught. I now realize that the best players have always broken the rules but were very good at escaping culpability. My coaches never told me that.

 

[bdgan]

Seriously…..what institutes holding?
I’ve seen our DL literally be tackled 10 + times, over the past 2 games, yet nothing!
Yet, on the other side of the coin, one of our OL barely tugs on an opponent’s jersey, and it negates an explosive play.
It’s infuriating!!!

Hands outside the shoulders usually gets called. You can sometimes get away with grabbing or holding the jersey as long as it occurs within the shoulders..

 

[Corner Room Breakfast]

I'm more concerned, what is pass interference , particularly face guarding , as against us on the side line route.

 

[Woodpecker]

I'm more concerned, what is pass interference , particularly face guarding , as against us on the side line route.

Without contact, I don't think face guarding is illegal

 

[jp3272]

Hands outside the shoulders usually gets called. You can sometimes get away with grabbing or holding the jersey as long as it occurs within the shoulders..

No doubt. That’s why you see OL and DL wearing gloves to match the opponents’ jerseys.

 

[SleepyLion]

I've come to the conclusion that I was not taught the game properly. If something was against the rules, I tried not to do it. What seems to be rewarded is constant rules violations but not getting caught. I now realize that the best players have always broken the rules but were very good at escaping culpability. My coaches never told me that.

You missed out on a life lesson. That realization does not only apply to football.

 

[OhioLion]

Hands outside the shoulders usually gets called. You can sometimes get away with grabbing or holding the jersey as long as it occurs within the shoulders..

My coaching saying to my OL used to be “inside the pits and on the t$ts” and you should be able to hold.
Hook your pinky and ring finger on the edge of the shoulder pad while in there.

One of the rules analysts last night said the OL was grabbing the jersey, but when the defensive player started to pull away, he didn’t hold on long. Therefore, not really holding. IMO, that’s a BS explanation.

 

[bbrown]

Seriously…..what institutes holding?
I’ve seen our DL literally be tackled 10 + times, over the past 2 games, yet nothing!
Yet, on the other side of the coin, one of our OL barely tugs on an opponent’s jersey, and it negates an explosive play.
It’s infuriating!!!

Officiating, across the board, has been very bad. Ball spotting has been atrocious, and Instant replay is not getting it right.
As for our game there was an obvious face mask against Warren that wasn't called, the BG center was moving but instead they call us off sides. There was a play close to the sideline where the BG player literally grabs Jayleen Reed by the jersey and pulls him backward. No call.

 

[Psu00]

Officiating, across the board, has been very bad. Ball spotting has been atrocious, and Instant replay is not getting it right.
As for our game there was an obvious face mask against Warren that wasn't called, the BG center was moving but instead they call us off sides. There was a play close to the sideline where the BG player literally grabs Jayleen Reed by the jersey and pulls him backward. No call.

The officiating has been poor so far this year. I was flipping through games last night and every time they’d bring on an officiating expert to talk about a call under review, he’d say what should be called and fairly often the wrong decision was made by replay. It was to the point where they started calling out the replay officials as flat out missing the call and being wrong.

 

[Psu00]

Seriously…..what institutes holding?
I’ve seen our DL literally be tackled 10 + times, over the past 2 games, yet nothing!
Yet, on the other side of the coin, one of our OL barely tugs on an opponent’s jersey, and it negates an explosive play.
It’s infuriating!!!

In the Big Ten, holding is an obscure call that is rarely, if ever, seen……… until there’s a big, potentially game changing play. Then it suddenly makes its fleeting yearly appearance.

 

[blion72]

Without contact, I don't think face guarding is illegal

I thought that face guarding was purely NFL rule and not in college.

The OFF PI call on Evans looks like a play that happens all the time in college with no call. This is especially true where the refs are letting the DBs hold with no call.

 

[troutrus]

In defense of the refs, they can’t possibly see everything, thus there may be holding with no calls. However, when they do call holding it is usually evident when seen on replay.
It does often seem to the fans that refs are calling everything against our team and nothing against the opponent, but I would imagine that fans of the opponent feel the same.
It’s similar to getting a speeding ticket on a crowded highway and complaining because they didn’t stop the other speeders.

 

[Marshall2323]

Without contact, I don't think face guarding is illegal

You would be correct

 

[s1uggo72]

Because an OL grabs another jersey does not necessarily mean holding. It is when you grad a jersey and the other trying to escape and the grabbing impedes them, that is holding

 

[s1uggo72]

You would be correct

It is in the NFL but not college

 

[Connorpozlee]

Hands outside the shoulders usually gets called. You can sometimes get away with grabbing or holding the jersey as long as it occurs within the shoulders..

I wouldn’t say hands outside the shoulders usually gets called. I’d say it’s the most likely to be called.

 

[Metal Mike]

You would be correct

This is true in College football. Face guarding is illegal in the NFL. This is another area where folks bring the NFL rules into the college game. While most of the NFL rules apply to college football there are some differences. In the stands I sometimes hear someone incorrectly argue the NFL rule that is different from the college rule.

 

[Erial_Lion]

This is true in College football. Face guarding is illegal in the NFL. This is another area where folks bring the NFL rules into the college game. While most of the NFL rules apply to college football there are some differences. In the stands I sometimes hear someone incorrectly argue the NFL rule that is different from the college rule.

Very true. Beyond the obvious, there are even a lot of nuanced differences between the NFL and NCAA rules (ie, the non-Horse Collar call last week) that many don't realize.

 

[Erial_Lion]

In defense of the refs, they can’t possibly see everything, thus there may be holding with no calls. However, when they do call holding it is usually evident when seen on replay.
It does often seem to the fans that refs are calling everything against our team and nothing against the opponent, but I would imagine that fans of the opponent feel the same.
It’s similar to getting a speeding ticket on a crowded highway and complaining because they didn’t stop the other speeders.

If you polled every team's fanbase in college football, you'll hear from almost all that a) the referees hose their team more often than the opponent, and b) their conference's referees are the worst.

 

[JWB389]

If you polled every team's fanbase in college football, you'll hear from almost all that a) the referees hose their team more often than the opponent, and b) their conference's referees are the worst.

Through 2 games, we’ve been penalized 15 times for 136 yards. Opponents 4 flags for 23 yards. I’m not naive enough to think some teams don’t have more penalties than others, but that seems a bit out of whack when you actually see our DE’s getting tackled on nearly every pass play. In addition, it’s not always the foul, it’s when the flag is thrown. We’ve had several huge plays wiped out with questionable calls.

edit: Were actually 93 (meaning 92 with fewer) in penalties per game through 2 games. Michigan State….ouch 128th averaging 11 per game.

WVU only flagged once in 2 games. BG only 3 times.

 

[razpsu]

We did get away with a huge push off pi against wv in the first week. Which cost wv dearly.

I am sure we will get better and reduce all of our infractions.

 

[NewEra 2014]

The officiating has been poor so far this year. I was flipping through games last night and every time they’d bring on an officiating expert to talk about a call under review, he’d say what should be called and fairly often the wrong decision was made by replay. It was to the point where they started calling out the replay officials as flat out missing the call and being wrong.

It always kills me that Bill Lemonnier is touted as one of the “rules experts” on CFB broadcasts. That clown screwed up more Big Ten games than I care to count.

 

[PSUQbKeeper]

one thing that messes with fans' thoughts on pi calls is that announcers often say about a db "he didn't get his head around" but there is no rule saying that a db has to turn and look at the ball, it might be an indicator but you can successfully defend a pass while never looking around at the incoming pass