What led Beamer to Loggains?

[18IsTheMan]

Asking this seriously. When we hired him, Beamer, as he usually does, was overly emphatic that Dowell was the guy he knew immediately that he wanted. My question is this: why would Loggains have even been on Beamer's radar at all? I'm not even sure how Beamer would know who Loggains is.

He had spent almost the entirety of his career in the NFL and was considered, at one time, the worst OC in the league. He dropped down to the college ranks to coach TE at his alma mater. Isn't that a red flag? A former NFL OC going to coach TE in college? That's a fairly major step down. It would be one thing if he went to Arkansas as OC and their offense just blew up, but he was only a TE coach for 2 years.

Aside from his apparent lack of qualifications to be a P4 OC, I just can't even figure how/why he was even on Beamer's radar. From what I can tell, their coaching paths never crossed, as Dowell was exclusively an NFL guy prior to going to Arkansas.

I just can't buy that Dowell was the first guy who popped into Shane's mind. There's simply no reason he would have. I'd love to know the train of thought that led him to a guy with a 2 years of experience in college coaching TEs.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I not sure why, but I thought it had something to do with DLogg's NFL experience and Rattler. Not sure why I thought that nor can remember any specifics.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I not sure why, but I thought it had something to do with DLogg's NFL experience and Rattler. Not sure why I thought that nor can remember any specifics.

I'm still not sure, though, how a TE coach who had not previously distinguished himself as an NFL OC would have been the FIRST guy to come to his mind. I guess I could buy if he eventually landed on Loggains after exploring some other options. But it just doesn't seem reasonable that he was instantly the first guy Beamer wanted.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I'm still not sure, though, how a TE coach who had not previously distinguished himself as an NFL OC would have been the FIRST guy to come to his mind. I guess I could buy if he eventually landed on Loggains after exploring some other options. But it just doesn't seem reasonable that he was instantly the first guy Beamer wanted.

That part doesn't make sense. Surely there were some behind the scenes discussions of other OC candidates.

 

[Evilchicken]

He was referred to Beamer by intermediaries.

 

[gamecock stock]

Good ?.

 

[Lurker123]

He was referred to Beamer by intermediaries.

This is what i heard. But it was just posts on this board.

 

[KingWard]

Where was he ever really good as a coordinator? I'm asking. He's been exposed to a lot of football at the highest levels, but where has he ever really left a mark or proven that he has even assimilated that to which he has been exposed? I could have missed it. I'm open to being straightened out. I'm looking for a reason to believe in this guy and coming up empty.

 

[HI Cock1]

He's not innovative and has no identity. A real "work with the players we have" kind of guy in terms of Xs and Os.

He's also a people person, which SB seems to like for his coaching staff. The players all seem to like him.

He has underperformed as an on-field coach.

 

[Taxbud]

I not sure why, but I thought it had something to do with DLogg's NFL experience and Rattler. Not sure why I thought that nor can remember any specifics.

Really had not figured if we need a new OC or new Offense Line Coach or move Ellis back to Line Coach and moved Teague to Tight End. We got the talent, but don’t had the coaching on the Line.

 

[LonghornsGamecocks]

Why wasn't Freddie Kitchens at the top of the list?

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Why wasn't Freddie Kitchens at the top of the list?

That is the $1M question. Bad Blood? Lack of recognition of contributions?

 

[Lurker123]

What about bringing back Satterfield?

 

[capngamecock]

Asking this seriously. When we hired him, Beamer, as he usually does, was overly emphatic that Dowell was the guy he knew immediately that he wanted. My question is this: why would Loggains have even been on Beamer's radar at all? I'm not even sure how Beamer would know who Loggains is.

He had spent almost the entirety of his career in the NFL and was considered, at one time, the worst OC in the league. He dropped down to the college ranks to coach TE at his alma mater. Isn't that a red flag? A former NFL OC going to coach TE in college? That's a fairly major step down. It would be one thing if he went to Arkansas as OC and their offense just blew up, but he was only a TE coach for 2 years.

Aside from his apparent lack of qualifications to be a P4 OC, I just can't even figure how/why he was even on Beamer's radar. From what I can tell, their coaching paths never crossed, as Dowell was exclusively an NFL guy prior to going to Arkansas.

I just can't buy that Dowell was the first guy who popped into Shane's mind. There's simply no reason he would have. I'd love to know the train of thought that led him to a guy with a 2 years of experience in college coaching TEs.

The price. Loggains was the cheap option. We will never be successful at a high level until we are paying coordinators like the big dogs.

 

[LonghornsGamecocks]

That is the $1M question. Bad Blood? Lack of recognition of contributions?

I mean, the guy went to be the ******* TE coach at Chapel Hill. He clearly wanted back in an on-field capacity. And the signal to him from Beamer was "we don't value you here despite what you did to Tennessee and Clemson after I finally had the guts to demote Satterfield."

When Kitchens wasn't top of the job board was the first time I really started to think Beamer might not be the guy.

I would have just walked down the ******* hallway, into FK's office, and said, "Here's what I can pay you. You know the market, so you know this is a strong offer. What do you want - 2 years? 3 years? Your pick. Let's draw up the papers."

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I mean, the guy went to be the ******* TE coach at Chapel Hill. He clearly wanted back in an on-field capacity. And the signal to him from Beamer was "we don't value you hear despite what you did to Tennessee and Clemson after I finally had the guts to demote Satterfield."

When Kitchens wasn't top of the job board was the first time I really started to think Beamer might not be the guy.

I would have just walked down the ******* hallway, into FK's office, and said, "Here's what I can pay you. You know the market, so you know this is a strong offer. What do you want - 2 years? 3 years? Your pick. Let's draw up the papers."

That was an easy move and stupid not to follow through.
Another stupid move was not going after Santucci.

 

[LonghornsGamecocks]

That was an easy move and stupid not to follow through.
Another stupid move was not going after Santucci.

I really like Santucci. But I'm also not down on Clayton White. I think our D is solid, and if our offense could stay on the field our D would be even better in return.

 

[muscleknight]

Beamer boasted he had people calling him about the position then we end up with someone we never heard of and find out he was the worst NFL OC to boot.

 

[Lurker123]

I mean, the guy went to be the ******* TE coach at Chapel Hill. He clearly wanted back in an on-field capacity. And the signal to him from Beamer was "we don't value you here despite what you did to Tennessee and Clemson after I finally had the guts to demote Satterfield."

When Kitchens wasn't top of the job board was the first time I really started to think Beamer might not be the guy.

I would have just walked down the ******* hallway, into FK's office, and said, "Here's what I can pay you. You know the market, so you know this is a strong offer. What do you want - 2 years? 3 years? Your pick. Let's draw up the papers."

It does seem like an easy choice. There must be more to the story that explains why it didn't happen.

 

[92Pony]

Beamer boasted he had people calling him about the position then we end up with someone we never heard of and find out he was the worst NFL OC to boot.

This is what kills me and why I really don't trust/believe anything he tells us any more.

 

[LonghornsGamecocks]

It does seem like an easy choice. There must be more to the story that explains why it didn't happen.

Yes, I have to think so too.

 

[LonghornsGamecocks]

This is what kills me and why I really don't trust/believe anything he tells us any more.

THIS.

 

[KingWard]

What about bringing back Satterfield?

Don't start.

 

[Johnny She Said]

Asking this seriously. When we hired him, Beamer, as he usually does, was overly emphatic that Dowell was the guy he knew immediately that he wanted. My question is this: why would Loggains have even been on Beamer's radar at all? I'm not even sure how Beamer would know who Loggains is.

He had spent almost the entirety of his career in the NFL and was considered, at one time, the worst OC in the league. He dropped down to the college ranks to coach TE at his alma mater. Isn't that a red flag? A former NFL OC going to coach TE in college? That's a fairly major step down. It would be one thing if he went to Arkansas as OC and their offense just blew up, but he was only a TE coach for 2 years.

Aside from his apparent lack of qualifications to be a P4 OC, I just can't even figure how/why he was even on Beamer's radar. From what I can tell, their coaching paths never crossed, as Dowell was exclusively an NFL guy prior to going to Arkansas.

I just can't buy that Dowell was the first guy who popped into Shane's mind. There's simply no reason he would have. I'd love to know the train of thought that led him to a guy with a 2 years of experience in college coaching TEs.

I asked this same question when he was hired. Immediately many on here told me to trust beamer and to not be so doom& gloom.